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Replying To MesAmis: "I only saw Kerry play Cork, Mayo, Tyrone, Derry and Dublin this year.
I don't think Clifford was at FOTY standard over those games.
I think giving him the award because he's such a talent even when he doesn't deliver is a little disrespectful to him to be honest." So give it to McCarthy who was pretty poor in the Final and more than lucky not to be sent off… Now that would turn it into an embarrassing award.. Clifford is POTY or the whole things a farce….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 01/08/2023 18:10:56
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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah I'd agree. James pulled Dublin through a couple of games but Clifford had an excellent year up until the final. They'd be a much lesser force without him. I think James being the captain of the winning team and leaving behind such a legacy, if he does step down, probably influenced the decision. Had Costello had a hot day then I would have fancied him as he has been superb this year but Clifford had been consistent also up until the final and has had big days this year, his 8 against Mayo although they were beaten, stands out." Clifford for me
Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 154 - 01/08/2023 20:39:12
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David Clifford is a top player but the bar should be high to be picked as player of the year. I'd get hard to name him as player of the year this year in the circumstances.
In the biggest game he, the leader of the team, hit far to many wides (some of them bad wides) for me to be named player of the year. Reality is these wides cost Kerry what would have been a really sweet all Ireland win. Again, I don't want to criticise Clifford, he is a top player and a certainty for an all star, just not the player of the year in the circumstances for me.
Also I find the narrative of how well Fitzsimmons did on him to be ott, Clifford in terms of getting ball (and often getting inside him) was on top and had he been shooting to his normal standard would have put up a big score.
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If player of the year is given for entertainment Clifford has to get it.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 01/08/2023 23:02:56
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What in the name of Jaysiss was Paul F thinking? Twitter is a bloody curse.
A county is smarting after a tough loss and you use a phrase like 'smoked' which is calculated to insult their star player and rub salt into the wound.
Jesus, I doubt even the bowld Joe Brolly would have used that phrase.
I really would have expected him to be a bit cleverer than that.
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "So give it to McCarthy who was pretty poor in the Final and more than lucky not to be sent off… Now that would turn it into an embarrassing award.. Clifford is POTY or the whole things a farce…." I wouldn't give it to James to be honest, you'd have to rule him out after the final, same as Clifford.
Clifford is on course to be one of the all time greats but I don't think he was very good this year. A lot of wides against Tyrone too. He was quite hot and cold from what I saw. I doubt he'd be too enamoured with a sympathy award coz he kicked so many wides.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 02/08/2023 10:31:56
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Replying To bdbuddah: "David Clifford is a top player but the bar should be high to be picked as player of the year. I'd get hard to name him as player of the year this year in the circumstances.
In the biggest game he, the leader of the team, hit far to many wides (some of them bad wides) for me to be named player of the year. Reality is these wides cost Kerry what would have been a really sweet all Ireland win. Again, I don't want to criticise Clifford, he is a top player and a certainty for an all star, just not the player of the year in the circumstances for me.
Also I find the narrative of how well Fitzsimmons did on him to be ott, Clifford in terms of getting ball (and often getting inside him) was on top and had he been shooting to his normal standard would have put up a big score." 100% agree
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 02/08/2023 10:32:36
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Replying To avonali: "What in the name of Jaysiss was Paul F thinking? Twitter is a bloody curse.
A county is smarting after a tough loss and you use a phrase like 'smoked' which is calculated to insult their star player and rub salt into the wound.
Jesus, I doubt even the bowld Joe Brolly would have used that phrase.
I really would have expected him to be a bit cleverer than that." Very stupid I agree, and this from someone who was dealing with the media regularly in in his GPA role. Most pundits are general biased, but he seems to be on a crusade at times. It usually has the effect of turning more people against his point, as he's clumsy with his words.
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Seeing a lot of people 'Condemning' the abuse Clifford is getting online, someone called it 'Vile Abuse'.
Has anyone actually seen any abuse of him online? Only thing I've seen is the debate about who gets POTY? Wondering are people purely putting that up to try and look good themselves.
Flynn's tweet was silly and I'm sure if it wasn't written at half 12 at night after he was out celebrating he may have worded it differently. Yet another person being found guilty of Trial by Social Media!
It really is a cesspit online.
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Replying To TobeaRossie: "Seeing a lot of people 'Condemning' the abuse Clifford is getting online, someone called it 'Vile Abuse'.
Has anyone actually seen any abuse of him online? Only thing I've seen is the debate about who gets POTY? Wondering are people purely putting that up to try and look good themselves.
Flynn's tweet was silly and I'm sure if it wasn't written at half 12 at night after he was out celebrating he may have worded it differently. Yet another person being found guilty of Trial by Social Media!
It really is a cesspit online." The man was head of the GPA, the role within the game which purports to represent the best interests of all its members.
And 7 hours or so after the final whistle in the all ireland final, he goes online and claims (wrongly) that a young man who very publicly dealt with a terrible personal loss this year in and exemplary manner was 'smoked' in the biggest game of the year.
The wording may not be vile but the sentiment, lack or awareness and timing is shocking.
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Replying To cavanman47: "The man was head of the GPA, the role within the game which purports to represent the best interests of all its members.
And 7 hours or so after the final whistle in the all ireland final, he goes online and claims (wrongly) that a young man who very publicly dealt with a terrible personal loss this year in and exemplary manner was 'smoked' in the biggest game of the year.
The wording may not be vile but the sentiment, lack or awareness and timing is shocking." Fully agree, not defending Flynn at all. I think if he voiced his opinion a bit more on the Sunday Game rather than reading off the script he's handed it may have helped his cause a small bit more.
The idea Clifford was 'Smoked' was just outrageous. On normal days he scores all the ones he put wide. He won the majority of the balls that were sent into them.
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Replying To cavanman47: "The man was head of the GPA, the role within the game which purports to represent the best interests of all its members.
And 7 hours or so after the final whistle in the all ireland final, he goes online and claims (wrongly) that a young man who very publicly dealt with a terrible personal loss this year in and exemplary manner was 'smoked' in the biggest game of the year.
The wording may not be vile but the sentiment, lack or awareness and timing is shocking." Flynn has always been a terrible pundit … I wouldn't be surprised if he put his 2 feet in it on line.. A supposed inter county forward who played for many years giving out another forward who scored more this season than he did in his whole career…. Just says it all about him upstairs…!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 02/08/2023 11:36:58
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Replying To cavanman47: "The man was head of the GPA, the role within the game which purports to represent the best interests of all its members.
And 7 hours or so after the final whistle in the all ireland final, he goes online and claims (wrongly) that a young man who very publicly dealt with a terrible personal loss this year in and exemplary manner was 'smoked' in the biggest game of the year.
The wording may not be vile but the sentiment, lack or awareness and timing is shocking." P Flynn showed is true colours. Simple as.
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 344 - 02/08/2023 11:46:04
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Replying To realdub: "Lack of tact there from Flynn, I'm glad he admitted it" 'Tact' isnt in the Dublin dictionary.
I believe they held a vote to replace it 'yizzer', 'bleedin' and 'aah-heeeor' back in the early 70s.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "David Clifford is a top player but the bar should be high to be picked as player of the year. I'd get hard to name him as player of the year this year in the circumstances.
In the biggest game he, the leader of the team, hit far to many wides (some of them bad wides) for me to be named player of the year. Reality is these wides cost Kerry what would have been a really sweet all Ireland win. Again, I don't want to criticise Clifford, he is a top player and a certainty for an all star, just not the player of the year in the circumstances for me.
Also I find the narrative of how well Fitzsimmons did on him to be ott, Clifford in terms of getting ball (and often getting inside him) was on top and had he been shooting to his normal standard would have put up a big score." Pretty much spot on there.
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Replying To cavanman47: "'Tact' isnt in the Dublin dictionary.
I believe they held a vote to replace it 'yizzer', 'bleedin' and 'aah-heeeor' back in the early 70s." Well after a few pints in The Rocks of Bawnboy a few words is the least of your problems, you are left grappling with a completely different language.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4941 - 02/08/2023 12:45:25
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Replying To TobeaRossie: "Seeing a lot of people 'Condemning' the abuse Clifford is getting online, someone called it 'Vile Abuse'.
Has anyone actually seen any abuse of him online? Only thing I've seen is the debate about who gets POTY? Wondering are people purely putting that up to try and look good themselves.
Flynn's tweet was silly and I'm sure if it wasn't written at half 12 at night after he was out celebrating he may have worded it differently. Yet another person being found guilty of Trial by Social Media!
It really is a cesspit online." Agreed, all a fuss over nothing and people are discussing him purely on football terms. Bringing anything else up is a disingenuous cheap shot.
Important context for this is a relatively viral tweet before the game suggesting Clifford could easily be a premiership football star if he wanted.
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I would 100% consider myself a "woke snowflake", but people offended by the word "smoked" need to get a grip!
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Replying To TobeaRossie: "Fully agree, not defending Flynn at all. I think if he voiced his opinion a bit more on the Sunday Game rather than reading off the script he's handed it may have helped his cause a small bit more.
The idea Clifford was 'Smoked' was just outrageous. On normal days he scores all the ones he put wide. He won the majority of the balls that were sent into them." In fairness good ball was played into Clifford who made good runs and yes he got out in front and won the ball but the return from these possessions went from reasonable early on to very poor as the game went into the crucial deciding minutes. Fitzsimmons etc certainly put a lot of pressure on Clifford and his shot selection maybe over ambitious. I don't think Dublin were ever going to risk playing Clifford from the front so I wouldn't over praise him for winning possession.
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