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Exactly and it would also weaken the stronger divisional teams a little.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3846 - 09/12/2023 13:04:05 2516105 Link 1 |
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The team with the advantage does nt always win but its easier for a Kerry intermediate club to win All Ireand than other counties.Thats obvious as our intermediate clubs should be senior persais if our divisional teams were nt involved.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3846 - 09/12/2023 13:07:38 2516107 Link 1 |
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Milltown will be senior next year. A very average intermediate team who will bring nothing to the county championship. I hate repeating myself but there is not twelve senior football calibre club teams in Kerry....Strand Road, Stacks, and a faltering Crokes squad, are not caused by the divisional sides. A lot of the discussion seems centre on how to weaken the divisional teams, and the intermediate division, to help existing club senior teams win the county championship, and lessen a Kerry intermediate team's chances of winning an All-Ireland. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 762 - 09/12/2023 20:18:50 2516148 Link 2 |
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With respect I dissagree.It depends on what you expect of them.Kerry def have 12 clubs good enough for senior .Maybe not good enough to win the All Ireland but as strong as most counties and maybe even stronger.I agree Miltown are average but Austin Stacks would be stronger than many senior teams in most counties.Even Dublin have only 5 or 6 top clubs .Kerry shoukd have more than 8 senior teams.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3846 - 09/12/2023 23:22:42 2516162 Link 1 |
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How many clubs are in Kerry, football clubs who have a team?
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 670 - 10/12/2023 09:02:17 2516167 Link 0 |
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think you find this in every county, the balance is not right with some very poor teams getting to play senior ie in my county of Down we have 16 senior teams but honestly we maybe should have only 8 which would make the intermediate championship and junior way more competitive and in turn giving themselves a better chance at Ulster. Take Cavan this year the Senior, Intermediate and Junior champions were all playing div 1 football thats shocking. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 730 - 10/12/2023 11:13:54 2516171 Link 0 |
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"since Kerry went to 8 senior club teams they've won 2 of 5 All-Ireland intermediate titles, 40%." A Kerry club can't win the Intermediate All-Ireland as Milltown lost. So meaning 40% you quoted is now going to be lower right? I it's you who has a poor grasp of numbers. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1475 - 10/12/2023 11:23:28 2516173 Link 0 |
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It is potentially the option that the County Board sees as the preferred option. Dublin players play 6 club championship games and can put their feet up for the winter. Kerry's club championships (Senior, Intermediate and Junior) have 3 group games and then knockout. I think everyone is ok with this. The County Championship has to be knockout after that. Divisional club players have already had game time with their clubs. The senior and intermediate championships should be 12 clubs each. Best 2 group winners into semi-finals. Remaining group winner and 3 group runners-up into quarter-finals. In the Intermediate Championship, the best two 4th placed clubs into relegation semi-final. The loser taking on the remaining 4th placed club in the relegation final. 8 divisional clubs should play a knockout County Championship qualifying round. The 4 winners joining 12 senior clubs in a Round of 16. Knockout all the way. The 4th placed senior clubs from the Senior Club Championship that do not make the County final should enter relegation playoffs: 1) If two 4th placed teams make the County final, the remaining 4th placed club should be automatically relegated. 2) If one 4th placed team makes the County final, the remaining two 4th placed clubs should contest a relegation final. 3) If no 4th placed team makes the County final, the best two 4th placed clubs into relegation semi-final. The loser taking on the remaining 4th placed club in the relegation final. Dara Ó Cinneide is heading up the review of the county's senior football championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8322 - 10/12/2023 11:30:33 2516174 Link 0 |
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Mr Galway who has a keen interest in Kerry football seems to ignore this. Miltown have been senior in the past and made no impact. Nothing to suggest this will be any difference and will likely end up relegated back down sooner rather than later. Obviously having won the Intermediate they're entitled to go up. The other clubs they suggest are similar. Without the Cliffords Fossa would be going nowhere. Legion were a senior team for 15 or so years and in that time made the final once. Yet people think that they'll suddenly make a huge difference to the championship. People conveniently ignore the fact that before it changed to 8 teams the likes of Kilcummin, Ardfert, Mitchels amount others offered nothing to the senior championship. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1475 - 10/12/2023 11:30:36 2516175 Link 1 |
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The key is in the statement. Of All-Ireland intermediate championships won. This season's hasn't been won yet. Yes, the percentage will drop once another team wins it, but it's still miles ahead of any other county's proportion of wins. The advantage is staring you in the face. As Mick said Kerry's top-12 would be easily as strong if not better than most counties. If your definition of offering something to the senior championship is being realistic contenders, then you might as well knock it down to 3 or 4 clubs. Every senior club championship will have a few tiers, with teams capable of springing a shock on a given day. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2195 - 10/12/2023 13:32:31 2516189 Link 0 |
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So what reason do you have to have 12 senior teams if it's not to improve the standard? You're basically saying you want every other grade to be brought down in standard?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1475 - 10/12/2023 16:25:58 2516214 Link 1 |
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I'll repeat it one last time, if I haven't 5 times already. The reason is to give club teams a fairer chance of competing, by reducing the pick of some of the divisional teams. Having the pick of the 9th best club and beyond has made a few of them even stronger and made it extremely difficult for club teams to win a county title. On a separate note. Hard luck to Dingle today. The conditions were horrendous but both teams tried to play as positively as they could. Fair play to Castlehaven. Cahalane ended up the hero. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2195 - 10/12/2023 16:56:54 2516216 Link 0 |
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I think you arguing for the sake of it.The main point is with Kerry only having 8 senior teams it does give them a big advantage over other counties in the intermediate competition.Its irrelevant if some clubs dont perform well at senior.In all counties some senior clubs have no chance of winning the championship.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3846 - 10/12/2023 17:05:15 2516220 Link 0 |
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We are back again to what seems to be for posters a sore point and that is Kerry Intermediate teams and not the quality of games, which should exist, in senior county championships. Austin Stacks playing in the intermediate division defeated two powerhouses, Ballydonoghue and John Mitchells, before losing to Fossa in the semi. Strand Road won one game in the county championship. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 762 - 10/12/2023 18:48:06 2516243 Link 0 |
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So you want to make it "fairer" by making the Intermediate and every grade below it weaker?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1475 - 10/12/2023 19:23:01 2516251 Link 0 |
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I've just been reading about Fionan Mackessy joining O'Loughlin Gaels. None of the articles I've read say why he is joining them, besides wanting to play a higher standard of hurling. Is he living and working in Kilkenny? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2658 - 22/02/2024 22:30:01 2527630 Link 0 |
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He's living and working there the last while
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13997 - 23/02/2024 07:12:57 2527640 Link 1 |
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Thanks. I'm a bit out of touch with things back in KK, living here in 'The Smoke '. I wonder, will he still turn out for Kerry; what with the travelling for training etc. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2658 - 23/02/2024 07:39:38 2527641 Link 0 |
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I repeat again that there are not enough quality players to justify twelve senior championship football teams in Kerry. Look at the quality of the players on display on Sunday, and look at the subs bench. I watched all the Kerry County senior championship games this year and repeat the County is fortunate to get thirty players for the senior squad. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 762 - 27/02/2024 19:01:50 2528713 Link 1 |
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The success of the county team is irrelevant.The facts are because Kerry have only 8 senior clubs it means teams ranked 9 to 16 are intermediate.Kerry s intermediate teams would beat many senior club teams from alot of counties.Kerins O Rahillys contested an All ireland senior semi and were unlucky and following year are intermediate.Its no coincidence Kerry have thrived in the intermediate club scene.We should have at least 12 senior clubs.Smaller counties have more senior clubs than us.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3846 - 29/02/2024 17:17:50 2528961 Link 0 |