HoganStand GAA Football and Hurling

National Forum

Hawk Eye

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post

You need to Login to Post

Replying To ForeverBlue2: "And why not have 2 other guys watching the 2 guys standing at the post to make sure they are doing their job…. What tosh…. Why not have qualified referees doing umpire instead of 4 guys the ref pulled out of the pub before throw in…? Now that's an idea……" A referee is as likely to make a mistake watching a ball go over the upright as an umpire. Probably more likely because the umpire is more used to making those calls than a referee from that vantage point. People make mistakes sometimes. Even machines like Hawkeye, if they're not setup properly, make mistakes. You're a bit harsh on umpires there, mightn't be the youngest or the fittest but they're not being pulled out of the pub before the match. There's no long queue for people signing up to be match officials in GAA or LGFA from underage club to intercounty level. Quite the opposite in fact. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 12/07/2022 10:53:55 2431600 Link
Hawkeye was malfunctioning in the hurling semi between Galway and Limerick. Because of this Galway were chasing a goal in last few minutes instead of popping over a point or two. Hurling championship seriously compromised this year. Not fair on the young men who dedicate their lives to it. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 12/07/2022 13:07:14 2431642 Link
Hawkeye is not infallible, neither are umpires, do championship games that are played in Croke Park deserve better T&C than games played in Nolan Park, Cusack Park, O'Connor Park, Parnell Park, etc, etc, etc. A point incorrectly allowed stand in say, DCP, holds the same value as a similar situation in Croke Park. How does anyone know beyond fear of contradiction that Hawkeye's call on a score is correct Games are won / lost because questionable goals are allowed / disallowed, how come no one looks for a horizontal Hawkeye. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3050 - 12/07/2022 13:09:02 2431643 Link
There can be no issue with the umpires or the ref here. The umpire raised his white flag, and the ref noted it down without hesitation. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2913 - 12/07/2022 13:23:58 2431649 Link
Replying To sponger: "There can be no issue with the umpires or the ref here. The umpire raised his white flag, and the ref noted it down without hesitation." Well the ref should be called into question here…. He obviously knew it was a score unless he is stone blind… When hawk eye alerted him and said it was wide he should have immediately gone to the sideline and called for it to be shut down…. not wait for RTE to point out the obvious… …. It made himself look very bad…chalking off a score that everyone in the country could see was legitimat including himself… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 12/07/2022 13:43:13 2431657 Link
Replying To sponger: "There can be no issue with the umpires or the ref here. The umpire raised his white flag, and the ref noted it down without hesitation." Well the ref should be called into question here…. He obviously knew it was a score unless he is stone blind… When hawk eye alerted him and said it was wide he should have immediately gone to the sideline and called for it to be shut down…. not wait for RTE to point out the obvious… …. It made himself look very bad…chalking off a score that everyone in the country could see was legitimat including himself… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 12/07/2022 13:50:45 2431661 Link
The referee was praised by none other than the Galway chairman today for his handling of situation and yet you're criticising him. The referees and umpires at weekend performed superbly but you'd rather not admit that. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 12/07/2022 14:28:00 2431674 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Well the ref should be called into question here…. He obviously knew it was a score unless he is stone blind… When hawk eye alerted him and said it was wide he should have immediately gone to the sideline and called for it to be shut down…. not wait for RTE to point out the obvious… …. It made himself look very bad…chalking off a score that everyone in the country could see was legitimat including himself…" How do you know he wasn't on the mic asking them to check it again? He knew he had time to fix it and had half time to see it. Just because RTE highlighted it doesn't mean he and his team weren't already questioning it. They got it right in the end and in reasonably quick time that it had no effect. Surely that's what matters, no? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 12/07/2022 15:17:18 2431694 Link
Replying To Sindar: "How do you know he wasn't on the mic asking them to check it again? He knew he had time to fix it and had half time to see it. Just because RTE highlighted it doesn't mean he and his team weren't already questioning it. They got it right in the end and in reasonably quick time that it had no effect. Surely that's what matters, no?" No he should have acted right away…. If it happened in the 2nd half and acted the same way the blunder would have stood as nothing can be changed at the end of normal time…. He should have called out Hawk Eye for what it was on the spot…..a total waste of money and a complete flop….. but he had no guts to do it…. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 12/07/2022 16:03:31 2431711 Link
Replying To Sindar: "How do you know he wasn't on the mic asking them to check it again? He knew he had time to fix it and had half time to see it. Just because RTE highlighted it doesn't mean he and his team weren't already questioning it. They got it right in the end and in reasonably quick time that it had no effect. Surely that's what matters, no?" Most important thing is the score was rightly awarded. The big question is now will it be available for Sunday? Can the posts not be made higher also? ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 12/07/2022 16:03:31 2431712 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "The referee was praised by none other than the Galway chairman today for his handling of situation and yet you're criticising him. The referees and umpires at weekend performed superbly but you'd rather not admit that." I doubt he would be praising him if the same thing happened in the 2nd half and Galway lost by a point…. Easy praising a blunder when it doesn't have any effect on the outcome…. Referee made himself look silly simple…. Non other than the Galway chairman my hat…. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 12/07/2022 16:09:25 2431718 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "A referee is as likely to make a mistake watching a ball go over the upright as an umpire. Probably more likely because the umpire is more used to making those calls than a referee from that vantage point. People make mistakes sometimes. Even machines like Hawkeye, if they're not setup properly, make mistakes. You're a bit harsh on umpires there, mightn't be the youngest or the fittest but they're not being pulled out of the pub before the match. There's no long queue for people signing up to be match officials in GAA or LGFA from underage club to intercounty level. Quite the opposite in fact." Well said. A lazy comment about umpires being pulled out of the pub the morning of a game. Seriously. What decade is ForeverBlue living in? And there are plenty of them without grey hair at it. The top refs are assessed and get the best gigs based on their team of umpires and how the ref has established a system with them. This goes on at club level even where there are no earpieces but they have a system of communication that often involves one umpire signalling to the linesman or even an umpire on the far end of the pitch to get the attention of the referee. ForeverBlue sounds like someone who just can't wait to have a go at officials any opportunity that arises. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 12/07/2022 17:06:03 2431731 Link
Forever Blue's frustrations with officialdom run deep and are irrational Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 12/07/2022 17:22:28 2431734 Link
Match officials are set up for failure and despite that make few mistakes. Rules that are ill thought out and then unofficially not used. I have ready given a list of those rules that are being ignored or impossible to implement. Stuck in the much with technology that can help. They are people on here who want no advancement with this but are running around with every bit of technology they can find. Ironic isn't it ? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 12/07/2022 18:48:36 2431746 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Well the ref should be called into question here…. He obviously knew it was a score unless he is stone blind… When hawk eye alerted him and said it was wide he should have immediately gone to the sideline and called for it to be shut down…. not wait for RTE to point out the obvious… …. It made himself look very bad…chalking off a score that everyone in the country could see was legitimat including himself…" your are correct. However, compliance studies prove that humans will agree with the incorrect answer to fit in with the majority, who at that time believed that Hawkeye was the real deal. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 12/07/2022 20:19:12 2431760 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Forever Blue's frustrations with officialdom run deep and are irrational" It's not one bit irrational….. It's widely known that GAA refereeing and other officials are the worst in any sport in the country…. 7 officials at a match and it's very seldom an off the ball incident is ever seen… I don't remember the Galway chairman coming out last year complementing the referee and his officials when Shane Walsh was clattered of the ball v Mayo in the Connaught Championship… yet none of the 7 officials say a thing… strange and them so good…? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 13/07/2022 10:03:19 2431792 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "It's not one bit irrational….. It's widely known that GAA refereeing and other officials are the worst in any sport in the country…. 7 officials at a match and it's very seldom an off the ball incident is ever seen… I don't remember the Galway chairman coming out last year complementing the referee and his officials when Shane Walsh was clattered of the ball v Mayo in the Connaught Championship… yet none of the 7 officials say a thing… strange and them so good…?" "widely known". I certainly did not know what you are implying there is a fact . Did anyone else know that? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 13/07/2022 12:35:15 2431839 Link
Replying To Sindar: ""widely known". I certainly did not know what you are implying there is a fact . Did anyone else know that?" Of course it's widely known….. unless you live under a rock or happen to be one of these officials yourself… You have no comment on the Galway chairman as regards the Shane Walsh incident no…? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 13/07/2022 13:09:47 2431850 Link
Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "Hawkeye was malfunctioning in the hurling semi between Galway and Limerick. Because of this Galway were chasing a goal in last few minutes instead of popping over a point or two. Hurling championship seriously compromised this year. Not fair on the young men who dedicate their lives to it." Correct we were definitely done out at least of a point. Which does make a difference in decision making late in games. ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 13/07/2022 13:34:11 2431859 Link
Replying To Sindar: ""widely known". I certainly did not know what you are implying there is a fact . Did anyone else know that?" Sure it's common knowledge that it's widely known. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 13/07/2022 13:34:30 2431860 Link