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Replying To Saynothing:  "Prayers and congratulations to the 48 families who are finally getting some justice for their killing in the Stardust nightclub. Heard one father of victim No 6 on radio this morning, heartbreaking listening to him and he was at family wedding in Liverpool when the tragedy happened. Time for the government to stand ."
Delighted to see the families finally getting the truth and hopefully now justice will prevail. Remember The 48 Who Never Came Home.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 18/04/2024 23:16:07    2538945

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "This is what is known as a non sequitur ..... I should be charging tuition fees at this stage,

Drinking while watching a match doesn't happen at GAA matches because it is not permitted, Croke Park, however, appears to have no problem with it when nicer people are crashing for the day."
I don't think that's it at all.

When you consider the removal of Guinness championship sponsor they're whole ethos is just to move away from drinking culture.

The irfu can do what they like. It's an advantage to be fat in rugby anyway.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2759 - 19/04/2024 09:21:43    2538961

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I don't think that's it at all.

When you consider the removal of Guinness championship sponsor they're whole ethos is just to move away from drinking culture.

The irfu can do what they like. It's an advantage to be fat in rugby anyway."
Totally agree. I can never figure this drinking culture attached to rugby anyway. Like Jack in the boxes hopping up and down getting pints and pixxxng. You can even see it at local rugby grounds that have bar facilities. Might not be 100 people there and half with a beer mug in their mitts. Anyway, best of luck to them. I don't think the Croker atmosphere will be either sullied, enhanced or lessened with the presence of pints. Anytime I ever went to Croker, Gills pub and many others in the vicinity would be jammers. You'd think drink was suddenly going to get scarce, so, what's the difference, I suppose.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1022 - 19/04/2024 09:55:32    2538968

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I don't think that's it at all.

When you consider the removal of Guinness championship sponsor they're whole ethos is just to move away from drinking culture.

The irfu can do what they like. It's an advantage to be fat in rugby anyway."
Drinking at venues is fundamentally a public order issue. Gardaí can object to licenses or impose conditions depending on arrangements.

Just to be clear, I would hate to see situation where people can swill pints while watching our matches. I don't see why people need to be stuffing their faces either as though they might expire over the course of 40 minutes. There is, however, clear double standard at work here regarding the boose.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2683 - 19/04/2024 10:09:20    2538972

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I don't think that's it at all.

When you consider the removal of Guinness championship sponsor they're whole ethos is just to move away from drinking culture.

The irfu can do what they like. It's an advantage to be fat in rugby anyway."
Agree with you there doyler, the GAAs ethos is one of community and drink has been a blight on irish society to be seen to be promoting it at our games would be a complete no. Like betting which the GAA has banned taking sponsorship from, they also have a similar ban on anything to do with alcohol but only for u18s down.
As a sport the GAA never had a drink culture associated with it but as a community based organisation they could not justify being associated with alcohol sponsorship.
Rugby is different, it has always had a drink culture associated with it but neither do they claim to have any of the loftier goals the GAA aspire to. Its also a different game, you could get to the bar and back and not miss a whole lot. Also if you had pints in the stand at a GAA game most would end up being spilt - mind you I have watched a few football games where that would never have been a problem either.
At the end of the day the GAA is renting the stadium out, what the rugby spectators do inside has no reflection on the GAA but only on Rugby. Anyone making an issue of it only betrays their own bias.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1806 - 19/04/2024 10:45:34    2538985

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Replying To zinny:  "Agree with you there doyler, the GAAs ethos is one of community and drink has been a blight on irish society to be seen to be promoting it at our games would be a complete no. Like betting which the GAA has banned taking sponsorship from, they also have a similar ban on anything to do with alcohol but only for u18s down.
As a sport the GAA never had a drink culture associated with it but as a community based organisation they could not justify being associated with alcohol sponsorship.
Rugby is different, it has always had a drink culture associated with it but neither do they claim to have any of the loftier goals the GAA aspire to. Its also a different game, you could get to the bar and back and not miss a whole lot. Also if you had pints in the stand at a GAA game most would end up being spilt - mind you I have watched a few football games where that would never have been a problem either.
At the end of the day the GAA is renting the stadium out, what the rugby spectators do inside has no reflection on the GAA but only on Rugby. Anyone making an issue of it only betrays their own bias."
Once they pay their rent and pay for the drink let them fill the GAA coffers.

I go to a match to see the game, I go to a pub to have a pint.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1470 - 19/04/2024 10:59:12    2538988

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GAA and soccer have the right attitude towards drinking in the stadium. I'd hate if they allowed drinking in your seat/on the terrace in Croke Park like they do in Lansdowne Rd for the rugger.

Just google 'atmosphere' 'rugby' 'Aviva' and you'll see how much complaints there are around the boozing culture in the stands for rugby matches. Having to get up and down repeatedly during the game to allow someone go out to the toilet and to the bar. The atmosphere massively suffers as a result with many complaints about how dire the atmosphere has become for Irish rugby games.

There are obviously plenty at the rugby glad of the availability of having a pint as well it should be said.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13729 - 19/04/2024 11:19:37    2538992

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Replying To MesAmis:  "GAA and soccer have the right attitude towards drinking in the stadium. I'd hate if they allowed drinking in your seat/on the terrace in Croke Park like they do in Lansdowne Rd for the rugger.

Just google 'atmosphere' 'rugby' 'Aviva' and you'll see how much complaints there are around the boozing culture in the stands for rugby matches. Having to get up and down repeatedly during the game to allow someone go out to the toilet and to the bar. The atmosphere massively suffers as a result with many complaints about how dire the atmosphere has become for Irish rugby games.

There are obviously plenty at the rugby glad of the availability of having a pint as well it should be said."
Yeah they allowed you to take pints to your seat for some of the covid soccer matches. Glad it didn't become the norm

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12133 - 19/04/2024 12:03:22    2539007

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Replying To MesAmis:  "GAA and soccer have the right attitude towards drinking in the stadium. I'd hate if they allowed drinking in your seat/on the terrace in Croke Park like they do in Lansdowne Rd for the rugger.

Just google 'atmosphere' 'rugby' 'Aviva' and you'll see how much complaints there are around the boozing culture in the stands for rugby matches. Having to get up and down repeatedly during the game to allow someone go out to the toilet and to the bar. The atmosphere massively suffers as a result with many complaints about how dire the atmosphere has become for Irish rugby games.

There are obviously plenty at the rugby glad of the availability of having a pint as well it should be said."
Nonsense. Atmosphere is nothing to do with being able to bring drinks to seats. Ireland new zealand in aviva we won was best atmosphere ive evwr heard at a game and for aviva its down to game on pitch which determines atmosphere.
Most games dont have that
You should be free to drink at your seat if you wish. It wouldnt reduce atmosphere.
You still eiĺ be getting up/down for people to go to bars/toilets evwn if you cant sit at your seat.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3526 - 19/04/2024 13:06:53    2539017

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82,300 complete sell out in one day, for the Leinster v Northampton game in Croke Park. Should be a great atmosphere as the genuine sports fan could source a ticket, unlike the international games, where it is more of a closed shop. Same as the rugby World Cup were people from all parts of a Ireland and walks of life could source a ticket. We all saw the support the Irish team had in France. People who argue that it is just an elite D4 sport are wrong. Irish people will support all Irish teams if the product is good and they are not being ripped off. (Gaa, rugby, soccer, athletics etc)
The Gaa really have to look at the split season and the pricing structure if too many games continue to be condensed together. Families just can't afford it.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 537 - 19/04/2024 16:49:01    2539086

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "82,300 complete sell out in one day, for the Leinster v Northampton game in Croke Park. Should be a great atmosphere as the genuine sports fan could source a ticket, unlike the international games, where it is more of a closed shop. Same as the rugby World Cup were people from all parts of a Ireland and walks of life could source a ticket. We all saw the support the Irish team had in France. People who argue that it is just an elite D4 sport are wrong. Irish people will support all Irish teams if the product is good and they are not being ripped off. (Gaa, rugby, soccer, athletics etc)
The Gaa really have to look at the split season and the pricing structure if too many games continue to be condensed together. Families just can't afford it."
What is a genuine fan and internationals arent a closed shop. Very easy for regular attendees of clubs, schools games and provinces, as well as people who actively play, coach, ref etc to attend interjatiobals if they really want to

What exactly do you want gaa to change about season structure and pricing?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3526 - 19/04/2024 22:30:08    2539138

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nonsense. Atmosphere is nothing to do with being able to bring drinks to seats. Ireland new zealand in aviva we won was best atmosphere ive evwr heard at a game and for aviva its down to game on pitch which determines atmosphere.
Most games dont have that
You should be free to drink at your seat if you wish. It wouldnt reduce atmosphere.
You still eiĺ be getting up/down for people to go to bars/toilets evwn if you cant sit at your seat."
The best ever atmosphere at a glorified friendly…? Are you for real…? You would need to have plenty of drink on board to get through a rugby match…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1984 - 19/04/2024 22:33:47    2539140

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What is a genuine fan and internationals arent a closed shop. Very easy for regular attendees of clubs, schools games and provinces, as well as people who actively play, coach, ref etc to attend interjatiobals if they really want to

What exactly do you want gaa to change about season structure and pricing?"
I went to lots of rugby internationals in the past where you queued like everybody else to get a ticket. I am a sports fan who goes to as many games (particuarly Gaa) as I can. I am not a member of a rugby club or a season ticket holder but go to some Leinster & Connacht matches, the odd club match and was at all Irelands matches at the World Cup. I can no longer source a ticket for an International match. If I go to the match I want to concentrate on the game and not be disturbed by people continually going to the bar and toilet and spilling drink doing the Mexican Wave. You tend to see more of that at International rugby games where some people are happy to miss 10 - 20 minutes of a match in order to get another drink mid match. Are they really genuine rugby/sports fans???
I think it is therefore reasonable to conclude that those people (unlike myself) are more interested in attending the overall event, rather than the match. I do enjoy a few pints before and after games.

I think that the condensed nature and more inter- county games in the Gaa season makes it hard for say a family of 4/5 to save enough money to support their county team. Therefore the Gaa should do one of the following:
(A) Spread out the season a little more in order to allow supporters to save for tickets/travelling expenses/food/accommodation between games
(B). If the season stays the same, reduce the ticket prices.
(C) Implement both a & b above which is the best option.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 537 - 20/04/2024 10:30:31    2539177

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More than half the people who attend rugby matches wouldn't even have a clue who was playing… just there to have it to say they were at it… Then you have the twats in the pubs watching a game and calling for silence when a player is taking a penalty kick… Do they think he might be put off by the noise in the pub…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1984 - 20/04/2024 11:29:07    2539191

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What gets me is people coming in late when others are there an hour before the match.you have people then getting up five mins before half time and then they leave the end of match 5/10 mins early..as regards the drinking,I like a few before and after but not during or at ha/t..I'm of the older follower so drinking during a match really doesn't appeal so maybe I'm odd..nothing worse than when your engrossed in something happening and all you hear is excuse me,oh sorry about that and drink dripping down on every person they pass..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2245 - 20/04/2024 12:38:12    2539204

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "More than half the people who attend rugby matches wouldn't even have a clue who was playing… just there to have it to say they were at it… Then you have the twats in the pubs watching a game and calling for silence when a player is taking a penalty kick… Do they think he might be put off by the noise in the pub…?"
I haven't much interest in rugby but did you do a survey of people attending rugby games to establish that half of them don't know who's playing? Love to know how you came to that conclusion. Totally daft post.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 20/04/2024 19:37:23    2539302

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Replying To Magpie2:  "I haven't much interest in rugby but did you do a survey of people attending rugby games to establish that half of them don't know who's playing? Love to know how you came to that conclusion. Totally daft post."
I just know the type that attends especially if it's Leinster games more than Munster ones…. even comedy sketches like gift grub takes the mick out of them…. and what goes on in pubs is a very good indicator of the type that follows what is no more than a silly game… It is well marketed I will give them that but it's followers are mostly painful…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1984 - 20/04/2024 21:05:02    2539351

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I just know the type that attends especially if it's Leinster games more than Munster ones…. even comedy sketches like gift grub takes the mick out of them…. and what goes on in pubs is a very good indicator of the type that follows what is no more than a silly game… It is well marketed I will give them that but it's followers are mostly painful…"
So you are basing your statement on what goes on in pubs and on gift grub????
82,000 will fill croke park to see Leinster play Northampton. Fact. I don't look at much rugby but you can see how much it's grown over the years.
I'm fairly sure fans that will go to that game will know exactly who is playing.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 21/04/2024 00:32:40    2539420

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Replying To Magpie2:  "So you are basing your statement on what goes on in pubs and on gift grub????
82,000 will fill croke park to see Leinster play Northampton. Fact. I don't look at much rugby but you can see how much it's grown over the years.
I'm fairly sure fans that will go to that game will know exactly who is playing."
How are you so sure… a lot of them will be falling over themselves and spilling drinks on each other… A sport for toffs…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1984 - 21/04/2024 08:16:33    2539446

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Has the search for the next Republic of Ireland manager become a farce of biblical proportions?

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 156 - 21/04/2024 09:34:26    2539467

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