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Replying To galwayfball:  "What nonsense. it is a rule. It doesn't matter if you don't like it or where it came from"
Not black and white, ref can't be expectations know if a ball is kicked from inside or outside a line. I'd have more of a problem with umpires who spend most of the match standing sleeping. You don't see players surrounding an umpire when he flags a point or wide wrongly.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1149 - 12/12/2021 19:29:19    2392602

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not black and white, ref can't be expectations know if a ball is kicked from inside or outside a line. I'd have more of a problem with umpires who spend most of the match standing sleeping. You don't see players surrounding an umpire when he flags a point or wide wrongly."
The rule is pretty clear. A kick from outside the 45, caught cleanly inside. The pass was from almost 10 yards outside the 45. The ref himself was standing just a bit inside the 45, so he'd need to have his eyes closed not to be aware it was outside.
He made a very poor mistake, which had a huge bearing on the outcome of the game. I don't know why some people seem to be afraid to accept that.
I can guarantee you he'll be devastated when he watches that back. No ref wants to make a mistake of that magnitude. It happened and M/M can be feel very annoyed about it. It's pretty devastating to lose in that manner. The lads who put hands on the ref however, I have no sympathy for and they deserve suspensions. They absolutely let themselves and their club down.
On your other point, you often see the goalkeepers running to umpires if they feel they've flagged incorrectly. They'll often be signalling a wide themselves trying to influence the umpires. Also, if it was the last kick of the game and they awarded or didn't award a crucial score which looked debatable, you absolutely would see players running to the ref and umpire.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1398 - 12/12/2021 20:55:32    2392616

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not black and white, ref can't be expectations know if a ball is kicked from inside or outside a line. I'd have more of a problem with umpires who spend most of the match standing sleeping. You don't see players surrounding an umpire when he flags a point or wide wrongly."
For the PP goal 4 M/M players ran over to the umpire roaring and shouting looking for a square ball. When mchugh body slammed the PP goalkeeper after the Goal the umpires helped the ref. Interesting that PP never once complained about the game being postponed because of M/M illness even though it put them at a huge disadvantage of no game in 7 weeks.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 612 - 12/12/2021 21:00:03    2392617

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This is a very active thread . But if I am to summarise the average opinion it would be as folliows:
1. Mtbellew were probably (very marginally) the better side and were robbed by poor human error mistakes by officials.
2. A small number of mtbellew players behaved very inappropriately after the game and deserve whatever punishment is administered.
3. From a Galway perspective best wishes are offered to Pearses in Connacht final and beyond.

Beyond that I think there is not much else to say.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 12/12/2021 21:57:04    2392625

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No matter how bad the ref or officials are you can't start shoving them about as much as the temptation is there when the temper is up. if we start that then we may just pack the whole thing in.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1978 - 13/12/2021 09:39:43    2392641

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "No matter how bad the ref or officials are you can't start shoving them about as much as the temptation is there when the temper is up. if we start that then we may just pack the whole thing in."
Not a single person in this thread has said you can. Everyone is in agreement with that.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1398 - 13/12/2021 10:34:23    2392647

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Replying To anotheralias:  "This is a very active thread . But if I am to summarise the average opinion it would be as folliows:
1. Mtbellew were probably (very marginally) the better side and were robbed by poor human error mistakes by officials.
2. A small number of mtbellew players behaved very inappropriately after the game and deserve whatever punishment is administered.
3. From a Galway perspective best wishes are offered to Pearses in Connacht final and beyond.

Beyond that I think there is not much else to say."
I wouldn't say they were marginally better, it was 50-50 I'd say, but Pearses were that more comfortable in possession, after McHugh got black carded they held the ball very well when MM bought a load of players back, they didn't panic & shoot & hand the ball over to MM.

I think their ill-discipline let them down, 9 could have walked earlier, when you are on a yellow you just can't lunge in or pull lads back, end off.

The ref booked 10 after around a minute for an off the ball hit stopping Ronan Daly I think it was from running on to a pass, ref made his mark there & then that off the ball & third man tackles were going to be his thing all day & in fairness to him he did that to both sides, sometimes harshly enough.

The non-mark was a harsh call, but it's very simplistic to say it cost MM the game, Pearses missed a free in front of goal that'd you'd normally tick off for Darcy, & games are played out for 60mins plus, I know its near the end, but several easy chances on both sides went amiss.

The black card after the goal is inexcusable in my opinion, no need to do it.

Pearses players let him & keeper to it & got ready for kickout, didn't get involved (learned from Corofin game 2 years ago), if they did it would have been a yellow for McHugh & one for one or both defenders.

When they look back at this game they'll see they made massive errors with their kickouts several times after conceding a score they went long out the middle only for Niall Daly to win or break possession, they went short a few times after wides & won them clean, that might sound harsh but in champ games like this, these all count, different pressure to county championship as a lot of the time you don't know everything about opposition & learn in game.

Anyway I think the interview by Finnerty after the game on GBayFM was very good, very composed & didn't sound like he was going through the motions & saying it for the sake of saying it.

They are definitely best team in Galway & will learn an awful lot from the game & should put it to good use next year.

GAA-NUT-ish (Roscommon) - Posts: 9 - 13/12/2021 10:39:57    2392648

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Replying To anotheralias:  "This is a very active thread . But if I am to summarise the average opinion it would be as folliows:
1. Mtbellew were probably (very marginally) the better side and were robbed by poor human error mistakes by officials.
2. A small number of mtbellew players behaved very inappropriately after the game and deserve whatever punishment is administered.
3. From a Galway perspective best wishes are offered to Pearses in Connacht final and beyond.

Beyond that I think there is not much else to say."
1. Debatable - Pearses missed 2 or 3 easy chances to put the game to bed.
2. Correct - enough said on this
3. Thanks. Hopefully we can push on from a tough battle.

fantasybrown (Roscommon) - Posts: 12 - 13/12/2021 11:21:31    2392652

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Replying To fantasybrown:  "1. Debatable - Pearses missed 2 or 3 easy chances to put the game to bed.
2. Correct - enough said on this
3. Thanks. Hopefully we can push on from a tough battle."
4. Why didn't he 'award' the mark? To use that great rugby term they deploy sometimes to assess 'foul play', is there any 'mitigation' available at all, to legitimize the referee's 'sentiments' in not awarding that probably pivotal 'mark'?

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2599 - 13/12/2021 12:25:32    2392657

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Redeem themselves in Connacht?

Their one and only Connacht senior campaign they reached the final losing to Corofin who won the contest in the final quarter and Corofin went on to win the All-Ireland after that match."
Reedeem themselves in Connacht yes, they had not lost their previous outing after being well beaten by Corofin. I think they look much stronger this year. Refreshing to see two new teams in the final - one without Corofin, St Brigid's or Castlebar Mitchels for the first time since 2004.

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 13/12/2021 12:31:49    2392659

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Replying To summerof09:  "Reedeem themselves in Connacht yes, they had not lost their previous outing after being well beaten by Corofin. I think they look much stronger this year. Refreshing to see two new teams in the final - one without Corofin, St Brigid's or Castlebar Mitchels for the first time since 2004."
Was no reedeeming to do, the side that was expected to win Connacht (Corofin) won Connacht and Pearses in their first ever Connacht senior final gave a good account of themselves for 3 quarters of it.

Not new teams. Pearses 2nd final in 3 years while Knockmore played in 5 senior finals already winning 3 of them.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3098 - 13/12/2021 12:47:37    2392663

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I know the ref submits a report I know that but how long does it take for the powers that be to make a decision

If they don't get lengthy bans it sets an awful precedent that this behaviour will only get a slap on the wrist. From the video two of MM players clearly get physical with the ref and there's no way that it can be argued it was accidental

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1525 - 13/12/2021 13:49:09    2392677

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Hopefully Knockmore can do the business in the final after all the unsavoury scenes witnessed at the weekend. The game demands it.

marmalade_farmer (Leitrim) - Posts: 94 - 13/12/2021 13:51:52    2392678

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Replying To SouthsideRossie:  "Nail on the head. Pearses had a couple of very dubious calls against them 2 years ago against Corofin when the game was in the melting pot. They didn't surround/assault the referee nor did they wreck the dressing room in the stadium after....
Nobody mentioned the weight training etc instead they behaved with a little class and came back stronger.
Good for them and heartiest congratulations."
What's the story with the dressing room been wrecked ?

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1189 - 13/12/2021 14:32:41    2392686

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Replying To marmalade_farmer:  "Hopefully Knockmore can do the business in the final after all the unsavoury scenes witnessed at the weekend. The game demands it."
Knockmore and Ballina right beside each other, All the knockmore lads would have schooled in Muredachs Ballina. Devvanney from Ballina the linesman the last day in Pearses Mountbellew game...

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 687 - 13/12/2021 14:35:36    2392688

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Replying To marmalade_farmer:  "Hopefully Knockmore can do the business in the final after all the unsavoury scenes witnessed at the weekend. The game demands it."
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Pearse's weren't at fault for any of the controversy. Obviously I was hoping M/M would win on Saturday, but I think I'd prefer Pearse's against Knockmore. It would be a first Connacht title for them.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1398 - 13/12/2021 14:51:23    2392692

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Replying To marmalade_farmer:  "Hopefully Knockmore can do the business in the final after all the unsavoury scenes witnessed at the weekend. The game demands it."
Hardly pearsez fault

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 13/12/2021 14:59:18    2392700

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Replying To marmalade_farmer:  "Hopefully Knockmore can do the business in the final after all the unsavoury scenes witnessed at the weekend. The game demands it."
Unsavoury scenes only came from one side - they also kicked a door in in the hyde and broke a number of chairs

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 700 - 13/12/2021 15:19:50    2392701

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Was no reedeeming to do, the side that was expected to win Connacht (Corofin) won Connacht and Pearses in their first ever Connacht senior final gave a good account of themselves for 3 quarters of it.

Not new teams. Pearses 2nd final in 3 years while Knockmore played in 5 senior finals already winning 3 of them."
Dress it up anyway you want, Padraig Pearses never looked like beating Corofin that day. Independent heading from the game read Corofin ease Padraig Pearses aside to retain Connacht crown and set sights on historic All-Ireland three-in-a-row What's the problem with saying they'll be out to redeem themselves in the final after their shortcomings in 2019? Hardly any of those Knockmore lads from 25 years ago still knocking around is there? Maybe Ray Dempsey will tog the next day. Padraig Pearses won their first Ros title in 2019 and before last year Knockmore hadn't won a county title since 1997 sooo it's two new teams contesting the Connacht club SFC final on 9th January.

redeem
verb
1.
compensate for the faults or bad aspects of.

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 13/12/2021 15:38:55    2392705

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Unsavoury scenes only came from one side - they also kicked a door in in the hyde and broke a number of chairs"
Is that true, pretty serious issues there.

Anyone know what was the story at the Pearses goalmouth in the 53rd minute, watched it over a few times, hard to know what was going on, strange strange stuff.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1189 - 13/12/2021 15:59:31    2392706

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