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Replying To carlovia:  "Bit unfair on Carew who has had to rebuild the whole squad from the Poacher era. I think Darragh is the only survivor from those glory days.

I thought we would be beat out the gate on Sunday but the players responded well to the Wexford collapse and played very well. Carew has to get credit for this if he's getting the blame for the Wexford match.

The team looks very fast when going forward and this result should bring them on."
Ciaran Moran, Conor Crowley, Shane and Jamie Clarke. Ross Dunphy Jordan Morrisey, Colm Hulton. Seanie Bambrick, Josh Moore, Colin Byrne, Darragh Foley all played under Poacher, TOB. Your point therefore just isnt true. Carew has set Carlow back years and if you look back on this thread that point is reiterated by many. Tactically Carlow have nothing, NOTHING. They rely solely on the brilliance of the players which is my point I believe we have as good a group of players we have had in a long time but they are being let down and not being coached in a way that shows we have a good team. Therefore that falls on the management and no one else.

FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 13 - 13/05/2024 11:22:47    2544440

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Replying To FearCeatharlach:  "Ciaran Moran, Conor Crowley, Shane and Jamie Clarke. Ross Dunphy Jordan Morrisey, Colm Hulton. Seanie Bambrick, Josh Moore, Colin Byrne, Darragh Foley all played under Poacher, TOB. Your point therefore just isnt true. Carew has set Carlow back years and if you look back on this thread that point is reiterated by many. Tactically Carlow have nothing, NOTHING. They rely solely on the brilliance of the players which is my point I believe we have as good a group of players we have had in a long time but they are being let down and not being coached in a way that shows we have a good team. Therefore that falls on the management and no one else."
Lads after what is one of the biggest results and best ever performances in terms of Carlow Gaa (either code) on Saturday, coming from 8 points down in the 2nd half to draw with a team that's no. 2 in Ireland being in the last 3 national finals, both league and championship, you're still talking about the football manager!!????
Are you honestly a genuine carlow supporter!
Last Saturday and next Sunday are really the only shows in town with the big boys, anything is a sideshow to be fair!

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 32 - 13/05/2024 11:56:50    2544462

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "Lads after what is one of the biggest results and best ever performances in terms of Carlow Gaa (either code) on Saturday, coming from 8 points down in the 2nd half to draw with a team that's no. 2 in Ireland being in the last 3 national finals, both league and championship, you're still talking about the football manager!!????
Are you honestly a genuine carlow supporter!
Last Saturday and next Sunday are really the only shows in town with the big boys, anything is a sideshow to be fair!"
I was at the game and have been extremely complimentary of the group and the result so yes I would say i am indeed a genuine supporter even moreso because I want the best for the group and the county and I believe that is not the current manager so I think a genuine supporter would care about whether the team has an appropriate manager?? Maybe I am wrong but I dont think so, as I said it was a great result and I absolutely had faith in them (the players) but the players dont get to decide who plays, kickouts, tactics etc etc etc I hope you see my point.

FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 13 - 13/05/2024 12:53:55    2544490

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Haven't posted in a short while now. Still buzzing after Saturdays performance. Skill,guts, hard work and determination have all paid off. They fear no team. A little bit peeved off with that nonsense about whom kilkenny were missing as we played without Jack kavanagh and James doyle only back for the last 10 mins. Anyway there will always be knockers. Well done to the footballers too to get a result in a fixture that seems to be cursed for carlow. I'm really looking forward to the wexford game this weekend. As always more in hope than expectation but I'm never surprised what this group are capable of. I hope the carlow public get off their ***** and support this team on Sunday as they've more than earned it. Ceatharlach Abu!

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 82 - 14/05/2024 13:43:17    2544718

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Here's a great read for you lads-
https://carlow-nationalist.ie/2024/05/15/concrete-seats-false-dawns-and-hurling-pyramids/

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12726 - 15/05/2024 15:18:31    2544942

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Turned up with ten minutes to go in the first half of the football yesterday. I thought the game was at 3.30pm, so missed the first 25 minutes. Apparently, Carlow missed a few goal chances early in the game. But cannot personally vouch.

What to say? We put it up to a Division Two team, who are very unlucky not to be playing in the Sam Maguire. And we could have snatched a draw, with a favourable bounce of the ball near the end.

This Carlow team is Jekyll and Hyde. Fell apart against Leix in league, then beat (promoted) Leitrim, before collapsing again versus Wexford. Then humiliated last month in the Leinster.

Have now drawn away to Leix, and matched Fermanagh.

It honestly makes no sense.

Best of luck to the hurlers today. Off to the grounds now. Just in case they throw in early. As crazy as it seems, we could beat Wexford and still get relegated. Wouldn't surprise me if Kilkenny lost next week.

Wexford will be well up for this. A good start is vital.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/05/2024 13:52:15    2545572

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Wexford were awesome. If they played like that every week, they'd be contenders. Lee Chin is an astonishingly good hurler.

Our lads were flat. Wexford's great start hit them for six, and I suspect thoughts began to turn to Belfast next week.

Great Carlow crowd. It's a pity the game didn't meet expectations.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/05/2024 19:57:48    2545673

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Replying To CARPS:  "Wexford were awesome. If they played like that every week, they'd be contenders. Lee Chin is an astonishingly good hurler.

Our lads were flat. Wexford's great start hit them for six, and I suspect thoughts began to turn to Belfast next week.

Great Carlow crowd. It's a pity the game didn't meet expectations."
Best of luck next week, in my view there should be no relegation in its current form anyway. Both Carlow and Antrim have proven they can be competitive and get results in Leinster.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 19/05/2024 20:15:18    2545680

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Replying To CARPS:  "Wexford were awesome. If they played like that every week, they'd be contenders. Lee Chin is an astonishingly good hurler.

Our lads were flat. Wexford's great start hit them for six, and I suspect thoughts began to turn to Belfast next week.

Great Carlow crowd. It's a pity the game didn't meet expectations."
The goal We gave away after a decent start knocked us for six. Wexford completely took over & never let us breath from there. In fairness they looked very good today & were well warned about us so they really pressed home their advantage.
Now not knocking our lads as the hurlers have given us some of the best days ever But they sometimes go into a shell whenever there is pressure on them. I'm thinking of the recent league final at home v Laois where a decent home support was expected & we were unbelievable flat. Today was the very same. Hugh crowd & a big expectation & we fell flat on our faces. We preformed in the first 3 games but not today. It was very disappointing but probably not a surprise as it was always going to be a big ask to repeat the performance against KK

Anyway on to Antrim now where it was always going to be decided. A big worry has to be the sight of James Doyle being helped off the field. He will be a hugh loss next week if unavailable & I wonder should they have kept him for next week when the game was already lost. Not ideal way to be facing Antrim up there but we will definitely improve on today. Fingers crossed.

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 221 - 19/05/2024 20:16:51    2545682

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Best of luck next week, in my view there should be no relegation in its current form anyway. Both Carlow and Antrim have proven they can be competitive and get results in Leinster."
The reason Carlow and Antrim are competitive is because there is relegation. The jeopardy focusses minds. If there were no trapdoor, mediocrity would quickly return.

Relegation is vital.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/05/2024 20:37:50    2545696

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Disappointing performance yday, but a lot of basic errors. That ball should have never went back to Brian for the first goal and it was far too casual a clearance from him when it did. I thought the forwards work rate was abysmal tbh. There never seemed to be anyone around a breaking ball on our own puck out and the lack of support play in the first half was shocking really for this level.

Anyway all comes down to the one game we knew it would

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 25 - 20/05/2024 07:28:47    2545726

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Best of luck next week, in my view there should be no relegation in its current form anyway. Both Carlow and Antrim have proven they can be competitive and get results in Leinster."
No relegation from the top flight might sound like a good idea but surely the team that wins the Joe Mac will be promoted and rightly so. However if one team goes up each year and no team goes down then over a period of let's say 5 years you would have 11 teams in the leinster championship compared to 6 at the moment. When would it stop?
Unfortunately it simply would not work. The same would apply to the Ring, Rackard, and Maher competitions. Relegation and promotion are the only way to keep the balance right.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 343 - 20/05/2024 09:03:29    2545737

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Replying To Magpie2:  "No relegation from the top flight might sound like a good idea but surely the team that wins the Joe Mac will be promoted and rightly so. However if one team goes up each year and no team goes down then over a period of let's say 5 years you would have 11 teams in the leinster championship compared to 6 at the moment. When would it stop?
Unfortunately it simply would not work. The same would apply to the Ring, Rackard, and Maher competitions. Relegation and promotion are the only way to keep the balance right."
What would be wrong with having an eight team Leinster with 2 groups of 4? Top 2 from each group into semi finals. Then a final and 3rd placed playoff to sort AI series qualification. Shouldn't take any more games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12726 - 20/05/2024 10:29:04    2545778

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Replying To Magpie2:  "No relegation from the top flight might sound like a good idea but surely the team that wins the Joe Mac will be promoted and rightly so. However if one team goes up each year and no team goes down then over a period of let's say 5 years you would have 11 teams in the leinster championship compared to 6 at the moment. When would it stop?
Unfortunately it simply would not work. The same would apply to the Ring, Rackard, and Maher competitions. Relegation and promotion are the only way to keep the balance right."
What would be wrong with having an eight team Leinster with 2 groups of 4? Top 2 from each group into semi finals. Then a final and 3rd placed playoff to sort AI series qualification on the same day as the final . Shouldn't take any more weekends.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12726 - 20/05/2024 10:29:27    2545779

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Replying To Viking66:  "What would be wrong with having an eight team Leinster with 2 groups of 4? Top 2 from each group into semi finals. Then a final and 3rd placed playoff to sort AI series qualification. Shouldn't take any more games."
It would dilute the quality, make it easier for teams like Carlow and Antrim to stay up, and totally weaken the Joe Mac.

Terrible idea.

The current jeopardy is why the likes of Carlow and Antrim are getting surprise results. They have to fight in every game.

Also, if you took both Leix and Offaly out of the Joe Mac, it would be a much diminished competition.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 20/05/2024 10:48:27    2545785

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Replying To Magpie2:  "No relegation from the top flight might sound like a good idea but surely the team that wins the Joe Mac will be promoted and rightly so. However if one team goes up each year and no team goes down then over a period of let's say 5 years you would have 11 teams in the leinster championship compared to 6 at the moment. When would it stop?
Unfortunately it simply would not work. The same would apply to the Ring, Rackard, and Maher competitions. Relegation and promotion are the only way to keep the balance right."
I agree there has to be relegation but should the bottom team in Leinster perhaps play off against Joe Mac winners maybe? But I'd be more in favour of the 2 groups of 4 or something like that. I just think the yo yo effect of going up and down for Carlow is not helping them. Plus if they go down will Mulally hang around? Will some players opt in next year?

You could say the same things about Antrim bit this is the Leinster championship and we need string Leinster teams. Remember when going to Laois for a Leinster quarter or semi was a tough game. I think we are missing these type of games that the pikes of Laois and Offally are not being exposed to anymore.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 20/05/2024 11:19:48    2545805

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Replying To Viking66:  "What would be wrong with having an eight team Leinster with 2 groups of 4? Top 2 from each group into semi finals. Then a final and 3rd placed playoff to sort AI series qualification on the same day as the final . Shouldn't take any more weekends."
This! Maybe the bottom 2 teams play off for relegation. So the relegated team finished bottom of group and loses a playoff. Can't have any complaints.

The only fly in the ointment would be if the perceived weaker team decides to just focus on that relegation playoff and essentially just goes through the.motions versus the Kilkenny and Galways.

Did Antrim do that this year away from home ?

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 20/05/2024 11:23:20    2545808

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Replying To CARPS:  "It would dilute the quality, make it easier for teams like Carlow and Antrim to stay up, and totally weaken the Joe Mac.

Terrible idea.

The current jeopardy is why the likes of Carlow and Antrim are getting surprise results. They have to fight in every game.

Also, if you took both Leix and Offaly out of the Joe Mac, it would be a much diminished competition."
Imagine the groups for a second the draw would be something like this:

Kilkenny
Dublin
Carlow
Offally


Galway
Wexford
Antrim
Laois/westmeath

There would be plenty of competitive games but I take your point there could be drubbings and dead rubbers.

I feel if Carlow and Antrim are able to play top tier intensity and quality for 3 or 4 games in this format then being in 2nd tier next year is no good to em.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 249 - 20/05/2024 11:29:43    2545812

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Replying To WEXILE:  "This! Maybe the bottom 2 teams play off for relegation. So the relegated team finished bottom of group and loses a playoff. Can't have any complaints.

The only fly in the ointment would be if the perceived weaker team decides to just focus on that relegation playoff and essentially just goes through the.motions versus the Kilkenny and Galways.

Did Antrim do that this year away from home ?"
If Leix or Offaly are good enough to put it up to Wexford or Dublin, all they have to do is win the Joe Mac. Then they will get their chance.

If you make it 8 teams, what will happen is that weaker sides will just wait for the relegation playoffs, and the games against the other relegation candidate.

You're right, it seems like Antrim did a bit of that this year. I also think Carlow probably had a similar mental feeling after Wexford's blistering start yesterday.

"Well, we won't win this now, so let's keep ourselves for next week."

Look at second half yesterday, both sides dropped intensity. And instead of chasing the game Carlow just seemed to accept it.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 20/05/2024 12:18:10    2545834

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Replying To CARPS:  "It would dilute the quality, make it easier for teams like Carlow and Antrim to stay up, and totally weaken the Joe Mac.

Terrible idea.

The current jeopardy is why the likes of Carlow and Antrim are getting surprise results. They have to fight in every game.

Also, if you took both Leix and Offaly out of the Joe Mac, it would be a much diminished competition."
That's true too. But whoever loses in Corrigan Park next week, how is it helping developing hurling there when they are relegated?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12726 - 20/05/2024 12:20:29    2545835

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