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A hugh opportunity lost. Iv never seen a poorer laois team & we let them off the hook. So frustrating. 5 points up early in 2nd half & we never finished them off. We missed some brilliant chances & they took theres. 6 point loss doesn't tell the story of this game as Laois didn't go in front until the last 10 mins. They refuse to lose to Carlow & played that way in last 10 minutes. Going back to my previous posts our discipline is just shocking. I counted 4 or 5 frees that were moved in front of the post for mouthing or not moving back. We made it so easy for their free taker. We foul so easily inside the 21 yard line it's unbelievable. We are not capable of holding up a man without pulling the shirt & giving away a handy score. Finally the ref was shocking. My Laois friends all agreed. He gave Carlow nothing. I wonder was he overly hard on Carlow as his brother is the Old Leighlin manager????? Anyway the 35 year wait continues carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 19/02/2023 21:42:42 2459237 Link 0 |
Different year, same outcome. Shooting accuracy our biggest downfall yesterday, I don't know the exact stats, but conversion rate was definitely down around 30-35%. It took Laois 20 mins into the first half to get their first score and in that period Carlow scored 1-1 and kicked 5/6 wides. Should have been at least 7/8 puts up at that stage. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 20/02/2023 08:34:57 2459254 Link 0 |
Hard to argue with much of that. It's a poor enough Laois team. Not even as good as the 2018 Division 4 outfit. But ye're fouling in bad positions was terribly silly. Kingston will kick those all day long. And one point in the last half an hour cost ye too. Ye didn't make the most of a dreadful first half from Laois. Haven't seen Leitrim yet but if Wexofrd can beat them ye have nothing to fear and promotion is still something Carlow can achieve. Laois could quite easily lose to Wicklow next game - it's that open. CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 20/02/2023 09:36:29 2459271 Link 1 |
Two observations, after the game yesterday. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 20/02/2023 12:13:29 2459334 Link 0 |
We have a good few decent players who are all very young, what we need is a decent manager who can mould them into a team. There is one obvious change to be made to that team but no one else has been given a chance there for over a year. I'm not as pessimistic as some on here but we aren't going anywhere with this manager. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 20/02/2023 15:03:46 2459418 Link 0 |
Please do explain this change?
CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 26 - 20/02/2023 16:06:48 2459454 Link 0 |
Have to have shooters on the field from the start. Nobody on the pitch to kick a score from 45+ yards wind assisted.
CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 26 - 20/02/2023 16:08:40 2459456 Link 0 |
I don't want to personalise it as we are dealing with amateur players here.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 20/02/2023 16:30:38 2459464 Link 0 |
We actually don't have those kind of shooters, (who has?) but I would contend that we don't really need that type of pkayer with the style we play, we are actually quite good at carrying the ball at pace, our problem is in finishing as exemplified in yesterday's game where we left at least 2-4 behind us in the 2nd half Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 20/02/2023 16:35:40 2459466 Link 0 |
Personally I think Niall Carew is a reasonably good team manager what's needed is a proven coach one that can man manage to get into their heads, straighten out a few issues and get that extra 10 or 15% out of them. Dessie Farrell brought in Pat Gilroy another all Ireland winner, there's no reason why a div.4 county cant do something similar. From what I saw it was a 35 min game, mid way through the second half Carlow were 0-04 up and finished the game losing by 0-06 which is a bit unfortunate because they are capable of much better, I'll go as far as saying they can and probably will beat Leitrim. I hope these lads stay with the county, they are very young and have lots to offer. It's a pity Brendan Murphy couldn't have been persuaded to lend a hand in getting Carlow promoted to div. 3. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2976 - 20/02/2023 20:49:55 2459521 Link 3 |
On your final thought, I never mentioned senior players not being asked in as some were but had committed to hurling - no issue here. U20s is the point that's being made, as none were even asked. The same happened 3 years ago when they were the joint best team at minor level and only lost the final on penalties, that is this years u20 team so do you honestly think none are good enough? Most of the county final winning team are u20 this year also. You say you were at the final, some achievement to beat a strong football only club with just 2 good players, plus beating Pal and Rathvilly in the knockout stages very comfortably! Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 278 - 22/02/2023 14:24:46 2459773 Link 0 |
Can I add to your response to the chat about bringing in a specialised coach, that I think that Niall Carew has done a great job in moulding a squad together using a different game template than the previous coach and management. Was the attendance at last Sunday's match the best ever for a league football match? Is the team progressing ? Is it an attractive style to watch? Is there ANY other team in the country playing the 'OTHER' style that the previous management espoused? I think Carew and his management team have gotten the team to play really well. It has taken time to instill confidence in the team and we should not throw out the current set up or attempt to add to it based on one performance. We were up 4 or 5 points and the team I am sure has sat down collectively and asked how did they lose such a lead. For me, I admire the quiet but effective way Carew has managed things. I think the team has gotten more confidence and is improving and I expect the team to give a good account of themselves in the remaining league games. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1836 - 22/02/2023 15:18:00 2459782 Link 0 |
In my opinion the attendance at last Sundays match was a reflection on the rivalry between the two counties of Carlow and Laois, (b) and yes the team is progressing, however not at speed a bit more is needed, (c) yes from what I see, (d) Gaelic football is no longer an attractive style to watch in fact it is quiet boring, win or lose. (e) Leinster counties play a similar style some better than others. I think Niall Carew has bonded well with the panel as much as they have bonded with them. In Bobby Millar's (RIP) time with Eire Og he brought a collective professional awareness into the club. When Michael Dempsey took over the reins at O' Hanrahan's senior football club he used the same template with great success. In a roundabout way Carew is doing something similar but this time it is with the senior county team at a slower pace. I'm not basing my theory one one performance in fact that is what I believe Carlow football needs and that is what a lot of counties have. Like it or not last Sundays game with Laois was a 35 min. game full stop. The first 50 mins of the 70 belonged to Carlow, allowing for the near misses, the turn over's and the little mistakes, yet they were 4 points up, the remaining 20 mins ish belonged to Laois, they went from 4 points down to level the game and won by 6, under the circumstances it's a big ask to expect Niall Carew to instantly put that right, that is why Carlow needs a corrective assistant to Niall Carew to things like that right. If it was left to me I would head hunt Pat Flanagan, although he has recently been appointed manager of Kildare's Sarsfields club he would be my choice, As an aside there is no reason other that their own as to why Carlow cant come home with 2 valuable NFL points against Leitrim, with respect Leitrim are no world beaters, ie div.4 like ourselves. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2976 - 22/02/2023 21:01:20 2459819 Link 0 |
I was probably a little rash in saying that we won't get anywhere with this manager and I do agree that he has tried to play a better brand of football than the previous incumbent (low bar in fairness) but surely he needs someone to help him sort out the current glaringly obvious deficiencies. Our kicks out are a disaster and our concession of oppositions kicks out is inexplicable. There is a massive back room team involved yet these faults are evident game after game. With a top class coach I believe we could be atop div. 4 now. Shame really
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 23/02/2023 09:31:41 2459830 Link 0 |
What would Pat Flanagan do that Niall Carew can't? He hasn't managed a county team for six years and his last team (Offaly) sacked him (very publicly on Twitter, as I recall) after he avoided relegation to Division 4, by a point. We need to move away from journeyman managers, and develop our own football philosophy. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 23/02/2023 15:55:14 2459910 Link 0 |
If Carew is to be replaced, which I think is likely at the end of the season, then i think Stephen O'Meara at Tinryland is someone the Co board will take a close look at. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 23/02/2023 16:47:18 2459915 Link 0 |
Well said Carps. We've had them all. Luke Dempsey, Anthony Rainbow, Liam Hayes etc .....same outcome - bottom half of Div 4. fullbach (Carlow) - Posts: 264 - 23/02/2023 17:52:25 2459923 Link 0 |
I never suggested that Niall Carew should be replaced by Pat Flanagan, I think Pat would be a valuable addition to the current management set up, not as manager but as coach / team trainer. As for journey man managers, most managers fit that description so we have to get used to it. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2976 - 23/02/2023 20:05:49 2459940 Link 0 |
Looking to Leitrim game & wondering what kind of team we will have? Are Ciaran Moran & Crowley fit? We have small enough panel & can't afford to be missing anyone. I think we are making progress but to back that up we really have to go up to Leitrim & either win or run them very close. If we get a good beating by 6 or 7 points not only are our promotion hopes gone but it will Show our inconsistencies again & will be a step backwards. Beirne is shooting the lights out for them & will take some watching. Hopefully we dig out a result. With a bit of luck we could have 6 points on the board already( still can't believe we let Laois off the hook) carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 23/02/2023 20:59:07 2459944 Link 1 |
Decent side named to face Leitrim. novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 312 - 25/02/2023 15:35:46 2460116 Link 0 |