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Carlow game vs Leitrim not on kclr.
It's live on shannonside radio.
Must be the only county in the country not broadcasting on their local station.

novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 312 - 26/02/2023 13:28:07    2460231

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In fairness novalis kclr are featuring the hurling game vs Down. Not possible to do both at the same time.
The diesel costs a lot less to go to NCP rather than Leitrim!!!

fullbach (Carlow) - Posts: 264 - 26/02/2023 13:49:01    2460238

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Replying To novalis:  "Decent side named to face Leitrim.
Good to see Hulton has recovered and is starting as is O Brien after a lengthy injury.
Moran, Crowley, Molloy all named on bench.
Tough assignment but well capable of taking full points."
What on earth is going on!!
4 red cards!!!

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 709 - 26/02/2023 15:33:32    2460279

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At least the hurlers had a convincing win!!

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 709 - 26/02/2023 15:36:57    2460280

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At least the hurlers had a convincing win!!

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 709 - 26/02/2023 15:37:32    2460281

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Replying To supersub15:  "In my opinion the attendance at last Sundays match was a reflection on the rivalry between the two counties of Carlow and Laois, (b) and yes the team is progressing, however not at speed a bit more is needed, (c) yes from what I see, (d) Gaelic football is no longer an attractive style to watch in fact it is quiet boring, win or lose. (e) Leinster counties play a similar style some better than others.

I think Niall Carew has bonded well with the panel as much as they have bonded with them.
In Bobby Millar's (RIP) time with Eire Og he brought a collective professional awareness into the club. When Michael Dempsey took over the reins at O' Hanrahan's senior football club he used the same template with great success. In a roundabout way Carew is doing something similar but this time it is with the senior county team at a slower pace.

I'm not basing my theory one one performance in fact that is what I believe Carlow football needs and that is what a lot of counties have.

Like it or not last Sundays game with Laois was a 35 min. game full stop. The first 50 mins of the 70 belonged to Carlow, allowing for the near misses, the turn over's and the little mistakes, yet they were 4 points up, the remaining 20 mins ish belonged to Laois, they went from 4 points down to level the game and won by 6, under the circumstances it's a big ask to expect Niall Carew to instantly put that right, that is why Carlow needs a corrective assistant to Niall Carew to things like that right.
If it was left to me I would head hunt Pat Flanagan, although he has recently been appointed manager of Kildare's Sarsfields club he would be my choice, As an aside there is no reason other that their own as to why Carlow cant come home with 2 valuable NFL points against Leitrim, with respect Leitrim are no world beaters, ie div.4 like ourselves."
You'll beat no one getting 3 lads sent off that's for sure. Shocking stuff.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 879 - 26/02/2023 15:49:43    2460284

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Replying To CARPS:  "Two observations, after the game yesterday.

- With our current pool of players, Carlow can't play 15 on 15 football. Getting Poacher back is probably a non-runner, at this point, but it's clear we need someone like him if we are going to be anything more than a bottom half Division Four team. We have to play to our strengths, and when you don't have scoring forwards that means you have be defensive and counter-attack.

- Carlow's real problems are structural. Our underage set up is not producing competitive teams. Thus, it's clear we need a radical rethink at this level. Divisional sides may be the answer, while maintaining the individual clubs so everyone gets a game at the non-elite level. What about dividing the county into three divisions of seven clubs? East Carlow, West Carlow and South Carlow?*

At underage, any players whose clubs is not in the A grade (as a stand alone entity), is eligible for divisional side.

At adult level, the same applies to senior football. So we could have five clubs + three Divisions in the SFC, or three clubs, plus three divisions, if we wanted make it six in each grade, instead of eight. The latter would create hyper competitive grades, and increase our club's chances of winning intermediate or junior Leinster's.

*Suggested divisions (not geographically perfect, but weighted for some balance).
West Carlow: Palatine, O'Hanrahan's, Asca, Eire Og, Ballinabranna, Leighlinbridge, Old Leighlin
East Carlow: Tinryland, Clonmore, Grange, Tullow, Rathvilly, Ballon, Fighting Cocks
South Carlow: Bagenalstown, Kilbride, Myshall, Kildavin, Fenagh, Mount Leinster, St Mullins"
The three sendings off today is a disgrace, but they came when the game was already lost. When Moran walked, we were six points down.

We ended up conceding 28 points today. 28 points. I repeat: Twenty. Eight. Points.

I stand over what I posted last week.

- With our current pool of players, Carlow can't play 15 on 15 football. Getting Poacher back is probably a non-runner, at this point, but it's clear we need someone like him if we are going to be anything more than a bottom half Division Four team. We have to play to our strengths, and when you don't have scoring forwards that means you have be defensive and counter-attack.

We have two choices now:

We can play "nice" football, with a journeyman manger like Niall Carew or Pat Flanagan, or whomever, but it will mean being a bottom half of Division Four team, and short summers.

Or we can do what Turlough and Poacher did - play to system which can make us better than the sum of our parts. It will be turgid to watch, but we will have a shot at promotion and we will probably pick up a few wins in the championship.

Longer term, we need a total revamp of our structures. From under 12s up. And, ideally, we would no longer use outside managers. Coaches okay, but not managers.

Otherwise, the future is grim.

Here's our record since 2012:
2012: (Dempsey) 6th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 5 losses
2013: (Rainbow) 7th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 5 losses.
2014: (Rainbow) 8th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses
2015: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses
2016: (Turlough) 4th in Divison 4 - 3 wins, 4 losses
2017: (Poacher arrives): 3rd in Division 4 - 4 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses
2018: (Poacher) 2nd in Division 4 - 6 wins, 1 loss
2019: (Poacher) 7th in Division 3 - 2 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses
2020: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses
2021: Covid year
2022: (Carew) 7th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses.
2023: (Carew) 6th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 2 losses (and counting)

You don't need to be Einstein to figure it out.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 651 - 26/02/2023 16:35:21    2460313

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Just home from Leitrim, this is my first year seeing this team up close, didn't get to last year as it clashed with the team I was coaching, watched online before that, it's definitely not as cavalier as the early days, however as a way of playing I can't make head nor tail of it, it's a little bit defensive but not really we set up wide in attack but somehow seem to get bottled up in the middle, the ball moves at a snails pace and our tracking back seems to be just something we do rather than actually getting back into a set place, we end up in 2v2 in our full back line so much I don't know how anyone thinks that won't end up shipping big scores. One of the problems with only half committing to a deep defence is that when we gain possession we tend to have players blocking up our exits, our corner backs aren't ball players which limits us also.

I'm not sure we have the personell to be much better than we are but we need to have a serious look at how we are going to play, because this just isn't effective at all, similar issues down in waterford only they had nothing to punish us with.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1624 - 26/02/2023 18:01:00    2460371

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Hurling team put in some performance today, even if Down were poor. Carlow have some serious forwards and more to come back. Seem to be making good progress.
Pity they couldn't get some more support both from supporters and county board level.
We really produce some top class hurlers.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 61 - 26/02/2023 19:01:36    2460406

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Replying To Skippy2:  "Hurling team put in some performance today, even if Down were poor. Carlow have some serious forwards and more to come back. Seem to be making good progress.
Pity they couldn't get some more support both from supporters and county board level.
We really produce some top class hurlers."
Was a good performance for the most part although Down were poor. I couldn't understand Down playing short passes out from the back in the first half with the breeze behind them. Carlow forwards were flying today. Would be great to get Chris Nolan back in the fold too. Disappointing support but I do know a few who would of been there but had travelled to Carrick on Shannon instead. Bad day up there for footballers unfortunately. Hopefully the hurlers are gaining momentum towards the championship now.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 84 - 26/02/2023 19:35:39    2460431

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Replying To CARPS:  "The three sendings off today is a disgrace, but they came when the game was already lost. When Moran walked, we were six points down.

We ended up conceding 28 points today. 28 points. I repeat: Twenty. Eight. Points.

I stand over what I posted last week.

- With our current pool of players, Carlow can't play 15 on 15 football. Getting Poacher back is probably a non-runner, at this point, but it's clear we need someone like him if we are going to be anything more than a bottom half Division Four team. We have to play to our strengths, and when you don't have scoring forwards that means you have be defensive and counter-attack.

We have two choices now:

We can play "nice" football, with a journeyman manger like Niall Carew or Pat Flanagan, or whomever, but it will mean being a bottom half of Division Four team, and short summers.

Or we can do what Turlough and Poacher did - play to system which can make us better than the sum of our parts. It will be turgid to watch, but we will have a shot at promotion and we will probably pick up a few wins in the championship.

Longer term, we need a total revamp of our structures. From under 12s up. And, ideally, we would no longer use outside managers. Coaches okay, but not managers.

Otherwise, the future is grim.

Here's our record since 2012:
2012: (Dempsey) 6th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 5 losses
2013: (Rainbow) 7th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 5 losses.
2014: (Rainbow) 8th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses
2015: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses
2016: (Turlough) 4th in Divison 4 - 3 wins, 4 losses
2017: (Poacher arrives): 3rd in Division 4 - 4 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses
2018: (Poacher) 2nd in Division 4 - 6 wins, 1 loss
2019: (Poacher) 7th in Division 3 - 2 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses
2020: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses
2021: Covid year
2022: (Carew) 7th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses.
2023: (Carew) 6th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 2 losses (and counting)

You don't need to be Einstein to figure it out."
I agree with pretty much everything you say about structural changes I've been beating that drum for a long time, many of our clubs are barely keeping their heads above water our juvenile leagues are atrocious, eire og won the minor last year they had 7 games! if your county can't provide you with a full calender of games there is something seriously wrong, of those games one was competitive the rest hammerings, st martins and palatine had a similar experience at 15s and martins dominated the 13s grade, we have 3 competitive juvenile clubs at football, nobody else can compete as they don't have the numbers or are badly organised, regional teams would be a solution so that everyone good enough could play division 1, the clubs are the problem, they don't want to change. Forward thinking people are sidelined.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1624 - 26/02/2023 20:58:13    2460490

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Replying To CARPS:  "The three sendings off today is a disgrace, but they came when the game was already lost. When Moran walked, we were six points down.

We ended up conceding 28 points today. 28 points. I repeat: Twenty. Eight. Points.

I stand over what I posted last week.

- With our current pool of players, Carlow can't play 15 on 15 football. Getting Poacher back is probably a non-runner, at this point, but it's clear we need someone like him if we are going to be anything more than a bottom half Division Four team. We have to play to our strengths, and when you don't have scoring forwards that means you have be defensive and counter-attack.

We have two choices now:

We can play "nice" football, with a journeyman manger like Niall Carew or Pat Flanagan, or whomever, but it will mean being a bottom half of Division Four team, and short summers.

Or we can do what Turlough and Poacher did - play to system which can make us better than the sum of our parts. It will be turgid to watch, but we will have a shot at promotion and we will probably pick up a few wins in the championship.

Longer term, we need a total revamp of our structures. From under 12s up. And, ideally, we would no longer use outside managers. Coaches okay, but not managers.

Otherwise, the future is grim.

Here's our record since 2012:
2012: (Dempsey) 6th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 5 losses
2013: (Rainbow) 7th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 5 losses.
2014: (Rainbow) 8th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses
2015: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 2 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses
2016: (Turlough) 4th in Divison 4 - 3 wins, 4 losses
2017: (Poacher arrives): 3rd in Division 4 - 4 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses
2018: (Poacher) 2nd in Division 4 - 6 wins, 1 loss
2019: (Poacher) 7th in Division 3 - 2 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses
2020: (Turlough) 5th in Division 4 - 3 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses
2021: Covid year
2022: (Carew) 7th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 5 losses.
2023: (Carew) 6th in Division 4 - 1 win, 1 draw, 2 losses (and counting)

You don't need to be Einstein to figure it out."
Conviently forgotten details to help shape your agenda:

2020 (Turlough): 1 win, 2 draws (Antrim & Waterford), 2 losses.

2020 (Carew): 1 win, 1 walk over v London.

'Covid' year 2021 (Carew): 2 wins, 1 loss.

2022 (Carew): Complete overhaul of panel. 3 pts

2023 (Carew): Signs of improvement, 3 pts so far

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 137 - 27/02/2023 08:34:53    2460531

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Replying To Carlowrising:  "Conviently forgotten details to help shape your agenda:

2020 (Turlough): 1 win, 2 draws (Antrim & Waterford), 2 losses.

2020 (Carew): 1 win, 1 walk over v London.

'Covid' year 2021 (Carew): 2 wins, 1 loss.

2022 (Carew): Complete overhaul of panel. 3 pts

2023 (Carew): Signs of improvement, 3 pts so far"
He also "forgot" to mention that turlough jumped ship in 2020 leaving everyone high and dry.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 27/02/2023 09:45:42    2460547

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I agree with pretty much everything you say about structural changes I've been beating that drum for a long time, many of our clubs are barely keeping their heads above water our juvenile leagues are atrocious, eire og won the minor last year they had 7 games! if your county can't provide you with a full calender of games there is something seriously wrong, of those games one was competitive the rest hammerings, st martins and palatine had a similar experience at 15s and martins dominated the 13s grade, we have 3 competitive juvenile clubs at football, nobody else can compete as they don't have the numbers or are badly organised, regional teams would be a solution so that everyone good enough could play division 1, the clubs are the problem, they don't want to change. Forward thinking people are sidelined."
You've nailed our problem there. It really doesn't matter all that much who our manager or coach is, we're not producing the players. That's why I suggested our clubs and development squads need to play underage football in other counties leagues.

Look at Kildare the underange leagues from under 12 and up are already up and running. Teams there training since the new year and competitive matches underway a few weeks now. They'll keep going til November. Do we even have a draft list of fixtures for underage yet? That's a county board fault. There are enough gpos to sort this. But sure time enough is the attitude and same with the clubs.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1414 - 27/02/2023 10:04:51    2460551

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Really good win by the hurlers yesterday. They seemed to be building nice strength and depth with some very good players still to come in. The experimenting in the Keogh cup and earlier league rounds will pay dividends hopefully and the signs are good at the moment.
They should get a lot more support though.

Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 278 - 27/02/2023 10:49:11    2460575

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Good win for the hurlers yesterday. Looked sharp and cut through Down on numerous occasions. Paddy Boland deserving huge credit for scoring 4 goals. Still think they have a bit of improving to do, passing and touch at times was poor, they'll be punished for that next week if it happens against Offaly.

Great to get one over Down all the same, they've beat Carlow a few times up in Ballycran recently, so the lads had some motivation going into that one. All but assured survival in Div 2A. All about getting ready for a very strong and competitive McDonagh in a couple of months. Next outing against Offaly will be a good test for them.

Attendance was very poor, stark contrast to last week. I've seen more at round robin club Championship games.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 238 - 27/02/2023 10:52:27    2460577

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "You've nailed our problem there. It really doesn't matter all that much who our manager or coach is, we're not producing the players. That's why I suggested our clubs and development squads need to play underage football in other counties leagues.

Look at Kildare the underange leagues from under 12 and up are already up and running. Teams there training since the new year and competitive matches underway a few weeks now. They'll keep going til November. Do we even have a draft list of fixtures for underage yet? That's a county board fault. There are enough gpos to sort this. But sure time enough is the attitude and same with the clubs."
No fixtures yet for underage, provisional dates have been sent out, kildare leagues are seriously competitive, I was talking to a kildare coach last year he said division 1 of their 15s was very tight from 1 to 8 so every game is intense and players get to learn in a competitive environment where every game can go either way, the skills picked up there are not coachable really.
A coaches forum where coaches from all clubs are brought in and some kind of a framework for the future is considered, we need competitive division 1 football at all ages. This will create the players we need to get up and compete at adult inter County.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1624 - 27/02/2023 11:30:48    2460604

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Don't know what to say about yesterday. 15 point loss to Leitrim?? No disrespect to Leitrim but I'd have them at about the same level as us so to lose by 15 points is a disaster. I was quietly confident after the laois game that we could win up there especially when I saw the team. One step forward & 10 steps back. As regards the discipline side of things getting 3 men sent off is a disgrace. I have been beating the discipline drum for a long time & it's actually getting worse. How do you expect to win when you can't keep 15 on the field? Man sent off against Wicklow, Laois & 3 yesterday. I wasn't at the game yesterday but from reading the posts it sounds like the game was already lost when we were reduced numbers so that makes it even worse. Use your heads as if the game is gone we will need everyone for the games going forward. Were they straight reds? If so we down more numbers for next week. Can't see things getting any better in short term.

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 226 - 27/02/2023 13:17:11    2460646

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Replying To carlowman:  "Can I add to your response to the chat about bringing in a specialised coach, that I think that Niall Carew has done a great job in moulding a squad together using a different game template than the previous coach and management.

Was the attendance at last Sunday's match the best ever for a league football match?
Is the team progressing ?
Is it an attractive style to watch?
Is there ANY other team in the country playing the 'OTHER' style that the previous management espoused?

I think Carew and his management team have gotten the team to play really well. It has taken time to instill confidence in the team and we should not throw out the current set up or attempt to add to it based on one performance.

We were up 4 or 5 points and the team I am sure has sat down collectively and asked how did they lose such a lead.
For me, I admire the quiet but effective way Carew has managed things.
I think the team has gotten more confidence and is improving and I expect the team to give a good account of themselves in the remaining league games."
Please explain

Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 278 - 27/02/2023 14:33:50    2460682

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Replying To Dualclub1:  "Please explain"
How about "ignore all I wrote here last week as Sunday 's performance has rendered it meaningless"

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 27/02/2023 17:51:27    2460795

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