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Think Eire Og by about 5.

The cost of streaming the final is a bit steep at 15 euro.

Ten would have been fairer.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 13/11/2021 13:45:11    2389269

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Replying To Blackbog:  "I can see Eire og being
real contenders for Leinster this year"
Serious congrats to Rathvilly, hard luck to Eire Og.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 14/11/2021 22:00:54    2389461

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Terrific game yesterday. Rathvilly full value for the win, better team from the start. Game was won in the middle, between the two half forward and back lines. Rathvilly dominated that area, which hampered EO from delivery quality ball into the full forwards (Chris Blake was very good though and made the best of what went into him).

Brian Murphy with another outstanding performance. Clearly the player of the Championship and maybe should have picked up MOM yesterday, although I wouldn't begrudge Conor Doyle getting it, as he was excellent.

I don't give Rathvilly much hope in Leinster. Winning the Championship was their focus and they will celebrate long into the week (as they should).

As for EO, 4 in a row was a great achievement. It's a pretty much the same team and players that won the title in 2017. Tough to keep going 5 years and not get caught. In saying that, they did have chances in the end that could have turned things around. Some good lads on that Intermediate team, could see a bit of a freshening up over the next 12 months.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 15/11/2021 08:56:44    2389466

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Great final, congrats to rathvilly,

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1710 - 15/11/2021 12:42:17    2389519

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Great game, I expected it to be close but Rathvilly looked very sharp and fitter than E og.
They should do well in Leinster although they only have a few days to recover.
End to end drama for the last 15 min.
Robbie had a stormer in goal, 2 Murphys outstanding and Conor Doyle has become a leader on the field. Eire og older players seemed to tire and were off the pace with the Rvilly youngsters towards the end of the game.

novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 317 - 16/11/2021 09:08:29    2389593

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I see Shane Redmond and Paul Broderick have both retired from county
I would imagine a few others will join such as Gannon and Ruth and Foley so a big rebuild necessary over next year or so
I would imagine Brendan M is also not returning to the fold.

Here's wishing Rathvilly all the best tomorrow. I and my family were always Blues but any Carlow team in Leinster gets my support .. Yes even YIs

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 755 - 20/11/2021 20:43:20    2390123

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Replying To Blackbog:  "I see Shane Redmond and Paul Broderick have both retired from county
I would imagine a few others will join such as Gannon and Ruth and Foley so a big rebuild necessary over next year or so
I would imagine Brendan M is also not returning to the fold.

Here's wishing Rathvilly all the best tomorrow. I and my family were always Blues but any Carlow team in Leinster gets my support .. Yes even YIs"
Best of luck to Rathvilly today. Beating Eire Og like that must give them great shout at progressing.

Blackbogger (Carlow) - Posts: 170 - 21/11/2021 10:03:10    2390141

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Being a Rathvilly man by birth I said I would drive across the 140 ish km.s for their game with Eire og and I'm glad I did. A couple of questions, was it a motivator for Rathvilly in stopping Eire Og going for 5 in a row, are eire Og's legs tiring, and finally, have Rathvilly emptied the tank.
We will get those answers today.
Best wishes and good luck to Ra'villy.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 21/11/2021 11:44:51    2390149

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Without taking from St. Martins big win I'm led to believe that Ra'villy didn't turn up, and although I wasn't at the game my guess is after watching the Carlow Co. final the tank was emptied last Sunday well and truly. The motivating factor they had in stopping Eire Og in going for 5 in a row wasn't there or anything like it, I also believe there's plenty of miles left on the Eire Og lads legs yet. As an aside the quick turnaround didn't help either.

I'm not making excuses for Ra'villy's defeat just a few valid reasons, as great credit has to go to St. Martins. - Best of good luck in the quarter finals.

Commiserations to the Ra'villy lads, they'll be back for sure.

A slightly earlier than usual wish, - - - Merry Christmas.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 21/11/2021 19:37:34    2390212

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Replying To supersub15:  "Without taking from St. Martins big win I'm led to believe that Ra'villy didn't turn up, and although I wasn't at the game my guess is after watching the Carlow Co. final the tank was emptied last Sunday well and truly. The motivating factor they had in stopping Eire Og in going for 5 in a row wasn't there or anything like it, I also believe there's plenty of miles left on the Eire Og lads legs yet. As an aside the quick turnaround didn't help either.

I'm not making excuses for Ra'villy's defeat just a few valid reasons, as great credit has to go to St. Martins. - Best of good luck in the quarter finals.

Commiserations to the Ra'villy lads, they'll be back for sure.

A slightly earlier than usual wish, - - - Merry Christmas."
Correct me if am wrong but has any club outside of Eire Og and O Hanrahans won a first round in Leinster senior club football ?

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 22/11/2021 21:09:53    2390386

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Replying To Blackbog:  "I see Shane Redmond and Paul Broderick have both retired from county
I would imagine a few others will join such as Gannon and Ruth and Foley so a big rebuild necessary over next year or so
I would imagine Brendan M is also not returning to the fold.

Here's wishing Rathvilly all the best tomorrow. I and my family were always Blues but any Carlow team in Leinster gets my support .. Yes even YIs"
Sorry to see Shane and Paul retiring and I think we will see some others go at the end of the coming year.
Paul has been a prolific free taker while Shane has been one of the most consistent defenders we have had, always reliable and giving it 110 per cent. Shane in particular will be difficult to replace, he had strength and height and was hard to pass.
Paul's exhibition against Kildare in the championship in Tullamore was one of the truly great individual performances..

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 22/11/2021 21:13:42    2390387

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Wasn't surprised by the Rathvilly result on Sunday. St Martin's had two weeks off, could watch Rathvilly in the Co final and the game up in Louth early on a Sunday are significant advantages. To add to that, winning Carlow SFC was a huge achievement for Rathvilly, anything else after that wasn't on their radar.

St Martin's also have some very good footballers, they will take abit of stopping.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 23/11/2021 07:20:33    2390392

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Replying To carlowman:  "Correct me if am wrong but has any club outside of Eire Og and O Hanrahans won a first round in Leinster senior club football ?"
Palatine beat Rhode in 2006. As far as I remember, thats it

Could be worse - nobody from Wexford has won a match since Kilanerin in 2004 or 2005

Smokeless Red (Carlow) - Posts: 31 - 26/11/2021 21:28:49    2390942

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Double header this Saturday in Dr. Cullen with MLR playing Ballyhale in the hurling followed by Grange vs Kilcullen in the Junior Football. Any predictions on how things might go, or is there any chance of an upset from either team?

Ceatharlach15 (Carlow) - Posts: 8 - 29/11/2021 18:18:05    2391152

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Don't give MLR any hope being honest. I'd give them a chance against any of the others team sin Leinster, but Bally hale are just on a different level. I mean, if Ballyhale were in the Joe McDonagh, they would probably win it, just so much talent in that side

Even taking away the quality of the opposition, MLR haven't played a competitive game of hurling since the 19th September. Sure they might still be in good physical condition after the football, but it's there sharpness I'd worry about.

If they can pull off a similar type of result as St Mullins did against Ballyhale a couple of years back, then I think that would be a good result for them.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 30/11/2021 09:31:50    2391169

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Terrific effort from MLR yesterday. Slow start was probably their undoing, but not surprising considering how long of a ly off they had since a competitive game of hurling. Second half was when they got up to spped and it really came down to the late goal chance. Anything was possible had that of gone in.

Ballyhal never really got past third gear all day. Once MLR got up to the pace of the game, they really struggled to respond and lift their game. If MLR convert that chance, I'm not sure if they had it in them to respond. That might sound crazy given the talent they have, but that game was getting away from them.

MLR can be very proud of that effort yesterday. I know it's not much consolation given the standards those lads set, but they did themselves, their club and the county proud.

Full back line was excellent, Ballyhale struggled to get a run at them and they cleaned up alot of ball. Fiachra Fitzpatrick has a very bright future ahead of him. Denis Murphy very clinical from dead balls.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 05/12/2021 14:38:19    2391730

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Apart from 1st 20 mins MLR matched Ballyhale in every part of the field.
Denis was clinical and some great young prospects coming through.

It's only now the Co Board might realise the crazy timetabling of SHC.
It's probably this alone cost MLR the game.
They've had no competitive fixture in 12 weeks which certainly affected their 1st half performance. This needs to revert back.
No hurling or footbal final should less 2 or 3 weeks from club championship dates. Maybe the fixtures committee could start planning in this manner.

novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 317 - 05/12/2021 15:28:54    2391733

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Replying To novalis:  "Apart from 1st 20 mins MLR matched Ballyhale in every part of the field.
Denis was clinical and some great young prospects coming through.

It's only now the Co Board might realise the crazy timetabling of SHC.
It's probably this alone cost MLR the game.
They've had no competitive fixture in 12 weeks which certainly affected their 1st half performance. This needs to revert back.
No hurling or footbal final should less 2 or 3 weeks from club championship dates. Maybe the fixtures committee could start planning in this manner."
While the Rangers effort was superb and they played super stuff, I dont think that their performance would necessarily have been improved if they had been playing club championship up to a few weeks ago. The fact is that unlike their football counterparts in the county they take their football seriously too. They focus on the hurling but they hate to be beaten in football and want to retain their football status. That is some achievement when you think about it... imagine Rathvilly playing hurling and Eire Og... !!!!! And St Mullins won the jun football this year too!!! Again a hurling club that plays football...
When teams perform well, and give the marquee clubs a close contest and are within a few points of turning them over people will speculate on ...if only....

The county board voted to play the hurling championship as one entity and have the football second.
That facilitated better ground conditions for the hurling. It facilitated games being played in daylight. I think the hurling clubs were delighted to have it played like that.
If the reverse was chosen, would Rathvilly have played better than they did v the Louth champions? They had a week to be ready and that was perhaps too close for them to be fully prepared for that match.
I don't think that we necessarily should be having our championships played to finish the perfect.time before Leinster championship.
Look at Grange last Saturday... fantastic performance and they had weeks since they beat Tinryland in the Carlow final.
Rangers were superb and gave Ballyhale a great battle and they are fierce disappointed that they did not win. Gave hurling another massive boost in our county.
It's another debate on how hurling has and is being promoted in the county and how resources are and should be used...would be interested in your thoughts on that aspect moving hurling forward.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 08/12/2021 12:13:17    2392073

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Replying To carlowman:  "While the Rangers effort was superb and they played super stuff, I dont think that their performance would necessarily have been improved if they had been playing club championship up to a few weeks ago. The fact is that unlike their football counterparts in the county they take their football seriously too. They focus on the hurling but they hate to be beaten in football and want to retain their football status. That is some achievement when you think about it... imagine Rathvilly playing hurling and Eire Og... !!!!! And St Mullins won the jun football this year too!!! Again a hurling club that plays football...
When teams perform well, and give the marquee clubs a close contest and are within a few points of turning them over people will speculate on ...if only....

The county board voted to play the hurling championship as one entity and have the football second.
That facilitated better ground conditions for the hurling. It facilitated games being played in daylight. I think the hurling clubs were delighted to have it played like that.
If the reverse was chosen, would Rathvilly have played better than they did v the Louth champions? They had a week to be ready and that was perhaps too close for them to be fully prepared for that match.
I don't think that we necessarily should be having our championships played to finish the perfect.time before Leinster championship.
Look at Grange last Saturday... fantastic performance and they had weeks since they beat Tinryland in the Carlow final.
Rangers were superb and gave Ballyhale a great battle and they are fierce disappointed that they did not win. Gave hurling another massive boost in our county.
It's another debate on how hurling has and is being promoted in the county and how resources are and should be used...would be interested in your thoughts on that aspect moving hurling forward."
Although it may be good for promoting hurling or getting lads to play it before the football starts, I think there's a lot of issues with the structure. MLR had to train for something like 11 weeks without a championship match, I imagine sharpness is not going to be there (wasn't at the match so can't comment too much on this). Also the championships are run off so quickly if a player gets a small enough injury during it they can miss the majority or all of the championship. Along with this the football gets played in bad weather and the gap between the league and the championship is too long.

Ceatharlach15 (Carlow) - Posts: 8 - 08/12/2021 15:08:47    2392104

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Replying To Ceatharlach15:  "Although it may be good for promoting hurling or getting lads to play it before the football starts, I think there's a lot of issues with the structure. MLR had to train for something like 11 weeks without a championship match, I imagine sharpness is not going to be there (wasn't at the match so can't comment too much on this). Also the championships are run off so quickly if a player gets a small enough injury during it they can miss the majority or all of the championship. Along with this the football gets played in bad weather and the gap between the league and the championship is too long."
I suppose Carlow is a football county.... and hurling has always had to play second fiddle to it. Football has the votes in the county yet this year for once, hurling got to play first and did not have to squeeze a huge number of games into a small slot as happened for many years with teams playing up to 3 championship games in 10 days...
There is no perfect solution. Were Rathvilly happy to have one week before their championship match at Leinster level ?
Perhaps one factor in Eire Ogs defeat was that they had one eye on that Leinster club game and took the other eye off the ball as well ?
Clubs in both codes now invariably demand so much from players that they find themselves having to drop one code and often they do this at a very early age.
Is that the way we should be going in this county... are development squads reinforcing that 'one code' philosophy ?
The Loughmore Castleiney experience should start a new debate, as they succeeded in keeping their players fresh with 13 hurlers on their football team and they won both football and hurling deciders in a very competitive county. And they went to ET last weekend as well in Mumstr club football!!!!
We do need a total rethink regarding how we can ensure that players are helped to play both codes in this county rather than talking about what code should play first .
Let's see.what happens next year with the club football and hurling championships!!! It will be very interesting!
I know some football clubs were not happy to be playing championship when they did this year..
And with all of this we have to factor in the county matches ! Not easy for officials at the helm !

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 08/12/2021 21:35:30    2392139

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