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Replying To Mull93:  "I see Longford GAA Stats has an excellent Instagram page now. Well worth checking out.

I hope they archive the league tables and results. I have always felt that its a shame that the county board haven't creating an archive. It would be interesting to look back at the pattern of league results for clubs over the years."
There's enough misinformation on the internet thank you very much!

I'm not hostile to new members at all Ballymore, it is fairly obvious you aren't new when your first post told me I was "always" correcting items relating to my own club. Stick to your original account!

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 03/12/2022 12:11:19    2449397

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London senior footballers playing Herts in Watford today at 1.30pm. Radlett road is the address

LarryB (Cavan) - Posts: 2 - 03/12/2022 12:16:54    2449398

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Replying To Oddball:  "Ballymahon from Forgney - I agree
Slashers from Grattans - I agree
Clonguish from Drumlish - The only player in recent times who moved between clubs here was Eric Flynn in the mid 90's, moved from Clonguish to Drumlish.
Who did Clonguish poach from Drumlish?"
Ballymahon from St. Brigid's

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 03/12/2022 12:24:11    2449402

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "There's enough misinformation on the internet thank you very much!

I'm not hostile to new members at all Ballymore, it is fairly obvious you aren't new when your first post told me I was "always" correcting items relating to my own club. Stick to your original account!"
As a Longford man now living outside the county I have become very disenchanted with some of the posts on this forum. I'm not sure if this is the place for personal gripes or for gripes between clubs etc and it appears that there are just a few individuals taking part in this. Am I not right in stating that this was one of the reasons that all but 2 counties removed their forum from hoganstand? Its lovely to read comments, facts, past memories etc of past times in Longford football both club and county, the current county setup, the latest club manager, who's the latest talents, structure within Longford, underage etc. etc. and indeed how we can improve on the present. I'm just highlighting, as I feel that it's in everyone's interest to make this forum an enjoyable experience for everyone.

Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 11 - 04/12/2022 15:25:12    2449488

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Replying To Inatfullforward:  "As a Longford man now living outside the county I have become very disenchanted with some of the posts on this forum. I'm not sure if this is the place for personal gripes or for gripes between clubs etc and it appears that there are just a few individuals taking part in this. Am I not right in stating that this was one of the reasons that all but 2 counties removed their forum from hoganstand? Its lovely to read comments, facts, past memories etc of past times in Longford football both club and county, the current county setup, the latest club manager, who's the latest talents, structure within Longford, underage etc. etc. and indeed how we can improve on the present. I'm just highlighting, as I feel that it's in everyone's interest to make this forum an enjoyable experience for everyone."
Well said!!

ballymore1967 (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 04/12/2022 20:16:48    2449518

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Granard won the 2002 Intermediate with their Second team so didn't go up.

NorthLongfordforlife (Longford) - Posts: 4 - 05/12/2022 09:36:00    2449534

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Replying To NorthLongfordforlife:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Granard won the 2002 Intermediate with their Second team so didn't go up."
Ah I see. Thanks for clarifying NorthLongfordforlife.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 05/12/2022 10:26:49    2449539

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Ballymahon from St. Brigid's"
This confused me for a long time as I couldn't think what Killashee players would have gone to Ballymahon!

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 05/12/2022 11:39:41    2449552

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Very interesting that the 3 clubs that didn't go up, ended up winning again the following year again.

I would LOVE to see a similar summary of the club(s) that were relegated from senior each year, and whether they actually went down or not.

I know every time the CB tried to relegate more than one club in order to reduce the numbers, it never came to pass in the end as the clubs would appeal.

The senior championship is too big as it is. If I was to redraw it, I'd have it like this -

Both Senior & Intermediate - 8 teams split into 2 groups of 4.

Top 2 into semis
3rd safe
4th relegation play-off

Junior - remaining 5 teams in a group, top 2 into the final.

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 05/12/2022 11:50:39    2449553

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Replying To iluvspuds:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Very interesting that the 3 clubs that didn't go up, ended up winning again the following year again.

I would LOVE to see a similar summary of the club(s) that were relegated from senior each year, and whether they actually went down or not.

I know every time the CB tried to relegate more than one club in order to reduce the numbers, it never came to pass in the end as the clubs would appeal.

The senior championship is too big as it is. If I was to redraw it, I'd have it like this -

Both Senior & Intermediate - 8 teams split into 2 groups of 4.

Top 2 into semis
3rd safe
4th relegation play-off

Junior - remaining 5 teams in a group, top 2 into the final."
It has been farcical over the years. Mullinalaghta, Drumlish, Granard, Rathcline, Carrickedmond all come to mind in the last 10/12 years as having been relegated but kept up on appeal. I would agree with your format. I think the Kerry system which allows inter and junior teams to come together could be worth trying, it would mean relegated clubs would actually go down as they could still play in the senior championship as part of an amalgamation

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 05/12/2022 12:57:40    2449565

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Replying To NorthLongfordforlife:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Granard won the 2002 Intermediate with their Second team so didn't go up."
I remember back in late 80's / early 90's Abbeylara winning the Intermediate title and remaining in Intermediate. They would not try to win in the second year but would win it the following year. I think that they won it every second year for a number of years before they finally went up

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 218 - 05/12/2022 13:25:50    2449570

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "
Replying To iluvspuds:  "[quote=LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Very interesting that the 3 clubs that didn't go up, ended up winning again the following year again.

I would LOVE to see a similar summary of the club(s) that were relegated from senior each year, and whether they actually went down or not.

I know every time the CB tried to relegate more than one club in order to reduce the numbers, it never came to pass in the end as the clubs would appeal.

The senior championship is too big as it is. If I was to redraw it, I'd have it like this -

Both Senior & Intermediate - 8 teams split into 2 groups of 4.

Top 2 into semis
3rd safe
4th relegation play-off

Junior - remaining 5 teams in a group, top 2 into the final."
It has been farcical over the years. Mullinalaghta, Drumlish, Granard, Rathcline, Carrickedmond all come to mind in the last 10/12 years as having been relegated but kept up on appeal. I would agree with your format. I think the Kerry system which allows inter and junior teams to come together could be worth trying, it would mean relegated clubs would actually go down as they could still play in the senior championship as part of an amalgamation"]Yeah, could possibly do a senior of 10 - 8 clubs with 2 amalgamations, one North & one South. Although given the spread of senior clubs that would likely mean a North selection would be pulling from a much smaller number of clubs compared to the south.

Would have to have senior one week and junior/intermediate the other weeks for it to work. But that shouldn't be an issue seeing as most counties have to accommodate football and hurling on alternate weekends anyway.

Having said all that - is there any appetite for amalgamations in the senior. Longford's a small county - we have 21 clubs now, Cork has over 200 - that's why they need divisional teams. If a player is good enough and in an intermediate or even junior club here, he will still be on the radar of county management.

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 05/12/2022 14:55:38    2449580

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Replying To iluvspuds:  "
Replying To liosbreac6265:  "[quote=iluvspuds:  "[quote=LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good question. I understood that clubs can opt to stay but if they win it again the next year they have to go up, but I don't know if that is a rule or at discretion of CB. Looking at intermediate winners this century...

Ballymahon 2022 - Going up 2023??
Killashee 2021 - Went up 2022
Killashee 2020 - Stayed
Fr. Manning Gaels 2019 - Went up 2020
Rathcline 2018 - Went up 2019
Rathcline 2017 - Stayed
Killashee 2016 - Went up 2017
Rathcline 2015 - Went up 2016
Carrickedmond 2014 - Went up 2015
Ardagh 2013 - Went up 2014
Granard 2012 - Went up 2013
Killashee 2011 - Went up 2012
Carrickedmond 2010 - Went up 2011
Cashel 2009 - Went up 2010
Cashel 2008 - Stayed
Mullinalaghta 2007 - Went up 2008
Ardagh 2006 - Went up 2007
Rathcline 2005 - Went up 2006
Ballymore 2004 - Went up 2005
Killashee 2003 - Went up 2004
Granard 2002 - Went up 2003
Carrickedmond 2001 - Went up 2002
Mullinalaghta 2000 - Went up 2001
Cashel 1999 - Went up 2000

The story of who didn't get relegated to intermediate in recent years (and why) is even more baffling."
Very interesting that the 3 clubs that didn't go up, ended up winning again the following year again.

I would LOVE to see a similar summary of the club(s) that were relegated from senior each year, and whether they actually went down or not.

I know every time the CB tried to relegate more than one club in order to reduce the numbers, it never came to pass in the end as the clubs would appeal.

The senior championship is too big as it is. If I was to redraw it, I'd have it like this -

Both Senior & Intermediate - 8 teams split into 2 groups of 4.

Top 2 into semis
3rd safe
4th relegation play-off

Junior - remaining 5 teams in a group, top 2 into the final."
It has been farcical over the years. Mullinalaghta, Drumlish, Granard, Rathcline, Carrickedmond all come to mind in the last 10/12 years as having been relegated but kept up on appeal. I would agree with your format. I think the Kerry system which allows inter and junior teams to come together could be worth trying, it would mean relegated clubs would actually go down as they could still play in the senior championship as part of an amalgamation"]Yeah, could possibly do a senior of 10 - 8 clubs with 2 amalgamations, one North & one South. Although given the spread of senior clubs that would likely mean a North selection would be pulling from a much smaller number of clubs compared to the south.

Would have to have senior one week and junior/intermediate the other weeks for it to work. But that shouldn't be an issue seeing as most counties have to accommodate football and hurling on alternate weekends anyway.

Having said all that - is there any appetite for amalgamations in the senior. Longford's a small county - we have 21 clubs now, Cork has over 200 - that's why they need divisional teams. If a player is good enough and in an intermediate or even junior club here, he will still be on the radar of county management."]It's not so much getting them on the radar, in Longford everyone knows everyone. It's about developing them further. Intermediate and junior is of such low standard here younger talented players won't improve at that level. They need to be playing at a higher standard in my opinion. It probably wouldn't work anyway as clubs wouldn't gel together, I just think something needs to change in a major way if we are to progress as a county as what we have been doing clearly is not working!

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 05/12/2022 15:28:53    2449585

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Here are the clubs relegated from Senior over the past 10 years, and whether they made the drop or stayed up. I can't recall for 2014, so someone might help with that one.

2022 - Killashee
2021 - Fr. Manning Gaels
2020 - No Relegation (Covid year)
2019 - Rathcline & Granard - Stayed up
2018 - Ballymahon
2017 - Killashee & Fr. Manning Gaels
2016 - Rathcline
2015 - Carrickedmond - Stayed up
2014 - ???
2013 - Granard & Fr. Manning Gaels - Stayed up

For 2019, both stayed up to maintain a 12-team structure for 2020 (I think Covid in 2020 might have changed the CB view and drove that decision, but I can't recall exactly).

For 2018, Ballymahon, Carrickedmond and Slashers were in the playoff for relegation, but before a ball could be kicked on it, Ballymahon decided to make the drop.

For 2015, Carrickedmond lost the relegation playoff final to Ballymahon, but a new format for 2016 meant they stayed Senior. That new format had an uneven third group in 2016 with 5 teams rather than 4. So you'd have to wonder at the logic around that decision.

For 2013, the relegation playoff involved Fr. Manning Gaels, Granard and Ballymahon. In the end Ballymahon survived and the other two were 'relegated'. But neither made the drop to Intermediate.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 05/12/2022 18:46:43    2449602

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Here are the clubs relegated from Senior over the past 10 years, and whether they made the drop or stayed up. I can't recall for 2014, so someone might help with that one.

2022 - Killashee
2021 - Fr. Manning Gaels
2020 - No Relegation (Covid year)
2019 - Rathcline & Granard - Stayed up
2018 - Ballymahon
2017 - Killashee & Fr. Manning Gaels
2016 - Rathcline
2015 - Carrickedmond - Stayed up
2014 - ???
2013 - Granard & Fr. Manning Gaels - Stayed up

For 2019, both stayed up to maintain a 12-team structure for 2020 (I think Covid in 2020 might have changed the CB view and drove that decision, but I can't recall exactly).

For 2018, Ballymahon, Carrickedmond and Slashers were in the playoff for relegation, but before a ball could be kicked on it, Ballymahon decided to make the drop.

For 2015, Carrickedmond lost the relegation playoff final to Ballymahon, but a new format for 2016 meant they stayed Senior. That new format had an uneven third group in 2016 with 5 teams rather than 4. So you'd have to wonder at the logic around that decision.

For 2013, the relegation playoff involved Fr. Manning Gaels, Granard and Ballymahon. In the end Ballymahon survived and the other two were 'relegated'. But neither made the drop to Intermediate."
Did a bit of googling and it looks like Ardagh were senior in 2014 and intermediate in 2015.

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 06/12/2022 16:48:08    2449674

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My memory is that at one point in the mid 00's, the senior championship had 16 clubs competing, which is outrageous given that there was 24 clubs at the time, so two thirds of the clubs in Longford were Senior.

Anyway, I think one year the CB tried to relegate 3 in one season and at the end of the year the affected clubs appealed and didn't go down in the end. FMG & Cashel were two I think. Could be wrong on that though, open to correction!

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 06/12/2022 16:52:32    2449675

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Replying To iluvspuds:  "My memory is that at one point in the mid 00's, the senior championship had 16 clubs competing, which is outrageous given that there was 24 clubs at the time, so two thirds of the clubs in Longford were Senior.

Anyway, I think one year the CB tried to relegate 3 in one season and at the end of the year the affected clubs appealed and didn't go down in the end. FMG & Cashel were two I think. Could be wrong on that though, open to correction!"
In 2011, I think there were 16 clubs in the senior championship (4 groups of 4) Five were relegated with one coming up. I believe that the 5 teams did go down as there was 12 clubs in the 2012 championship. That was first year there they ran off 4 rounds (open draw) with top 8 in QF and 4 in relegation playoff. That format remained for a few years.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 218 - 06/12/2022 18:03:31    2449681

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Replying To B&G:  "In 2011, I think there were 16 clubs in the senior championship (4 groups of 4) Five were relegated with one coming up. I believe that the 5 teams did go down as there was 12 clubs in the 2012 championship. That was first year there they ran off 4 rounds (open draw) with top 8 in QF and 4 in relegation playoff. That format remained for a few years."
That's interesting. Does anyone know who the 5 relegated teams were?

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 07/12/2022 10:02:15    2449720

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Replying To B&G:  "In 2011, I think there were 16 clubs in the senior championship (4 groups of 4) Five were relegated with one coming up. I believe that the 5 teams did go down as there was 12 clubs in the 2012 championship. That was first year there they ran off 4 rounds (open draw) with top 8 in QF and 4 in relegation playoff. That format remained for a few years."
Good memory! Yeah 16 clubs (4x4) in 2011, but only Carrickedmond technically relegated after losing the relegation playoff final to Mullinalaghta. CB then restructured the championship in 2012 to have 12 clubs. Cashel, Rathcline, Granard and Ardagh were all regraded to join Carrickedmond in Intermediate, with Killashee promoted to Senior as Intermediate champions. Connollys tried to regrade close to the start of the championship, because they were struggling with numbers due to emigration at the time (Troika era), but CB refused. When you think about a 16-club senior championship with only 24 clubs in the county at the time, that was just nuts!

Does anyone know why the two clubs relegated in 2013 didn't go down?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 07/12/2022 10:44:23    2449730

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Here's an attempt at number of clubs in senior championship each year since 2010 with a count of number of clubs in the county (at the time) in brackets. I think this is right, but happy to be corrected.

2010: 15 (24)
2011: 16 (24)
2012: 12 (24)
2013: 12 (24)
2014: 10 (24)
2015: 12 (24)
2016: 13 (24)
2017: 13 (23)
2018: 11 (22)
2019: 14 (21)
2020: 12 (21)
2021: 12 (21)
2022: 12 (21)
2023: 12 (21)

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 07/12/2022 11:03:31    2449733

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