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New appointments!! Tony Devlin taking over the county minors, a steady hand has done well with underage teams before. Did anybody hear who else was in the running? Niall Sheridan gone from Ardagh/Moydow with a local man taking over, could it get messy with his young lad on the panel?

ballymore1967 (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 09/12/2022 12:19:52    2449950

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Replying To ballymore1967:  "New appointments!! Tony Devlin taking over the county minors, a steady hand has done well with underage teams before. Did anybody hear who else was in the running? Niall Sheridan gone from Ardagh/Moydow with a local man taking over, could it get messy with his young lad on the panel?"
His second stint in charge of the Minors if i'm not mistaken?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 09/12/2022 17:00:59    2449990

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Replying To Mull93:  "Do you see any problems arising with it in Roscommon? What is your club, how do you see it affecting them?"
Not sure what to make of it to be honest. We ran a separate championship last year with 4 divisional teams in it, North, South East and West. We had 2 players from St. Barry's playing on the West Roscommon team. Make sense of that if you can!! I think it would be better for Longford to get their championships equally spread and just have an intermediate and junior team amalgamate for Senior Championship and try have a max/min ratio of players from either club starting and finishing the game. We only had 2 players on the West team while other clubs had a lot more.

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 819 - 10/12/2022 14:28:51    2450041

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Fantastic win by the Longford Slashers ladies team to win an All Ireland title today. They played fantastic heads-up football throughout the game. While a couple of their goals had a slice of luck about them, there is no doubt that they certainly deserved to win with a bit to spare. They always gave the pass to the player in a better position, were well coached and super fit. While they had outstanding players all over the pitch, Orla Nevin who never stopped running and scored 1-2 from half-back was the pick of the bunch for me.
It not too often you bring an All Ireland back to your home county so enjoy your well deserved celebrations.
Congratulations from a Rossie!

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 138 - 10/12/2022 18:32:25    2450073

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Fingers num with the cold but heart is burning what a night for longford football well done to the mighty women of slashers. History makers!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 191 - 10/12/2022 19:14:36    2450075

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Brilliant win by the Slashers ladies. The lead up to the last goal was just brilliant. Thoroughly well deserved and a great lift for the Ladies game in the county which is going from strength to strength. Well done Ladies and well done to the Longford Slashers club who have led the way in fully integrating their Ladies club in a way others could learn from.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 11/12/2022 16:14:24    2450124

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Great win yesterday. More than deserved. Backbone of a team for the county ladies team there.

Who is the ladies manager?

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 11/12/2022 18:53:40    2450134

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Replying To Mull93:  "Great win yesterday. More than deserved. Backbone of a team for the county ladies team there.

Who is the ladies manager?"
Brian Noonan had stepped down but nobody has been given the job yet. Maybe Conor Clarke should put his hat in the ring!

ballymore1967 (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 11/12/2022 20:43:03    2450141

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "The appetite is not there for the changes that are required. The county board are happy with how it is because gate receipts show that more people attend matches when it's "senior" rather than intermediate or junior and clubs are not willing to push it because they are either fearful they are the ones to go down or might be in the near future. I would not be surprised if we go down in the next year or two as transition happens with very young players coming in. It's no big deal and clubs need to get over it and I would include my own club people in that many would be distraught at the thought. Quick they are to forget how bad of a junior team we were in the 90s! This is one of the reasons why I think the Kerry amalgamation system would be a good compromise."
I am strongly against this added amalgamation competition. The last thing players and managers want is more games added into an already packed season. With a possible 12 league games and maybe 8/9 championship games under the current structure, lads don't want to be playing any extra games. We've only just gotten to a stage where the fixture mess looks sorted. Why would we add in another competition when the county board can hardly put together a competent fixture plan as it is?

ballymore1967 (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 11/12/2022 20:48:16    2450143

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Replying To ballymore1967:  "I am strongly against this added amalgamation competition. The last thing players and managers want is more games added into an already packed season. With a possible 12 league games and maybe 8/9 championship games under the current structure, lads don't want to be playing any extra games. We've only just gotten to a stage where the fixture mess looks sorted. Why would we add in another competition when the county board can hardly put together a competent fixture plan as it is?"
You wonder how Kerry and Cork manage it considering both are proper dual counties too unlike the joke that is here. I'm surprised at your opposition, if you are actually ballymore, given that this would be the only opportunity some of your players would ever get playing senior. As i already said for it to work here intermediate and junior championships would need to be a different format with reduced number of games.
Well done to Longford Slashers ladies team, a terrific performance at HQ

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 12/12/2022 09:34:20    2450150

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Replying To ballymore1967:  "I am strongly against this added amalgamation competition. The last thing players and managers want is more games added into an already packed season. With a possible 12 league games and maybe 8/9 championship games under the current structure, lads don't want to be playing any extra games. We've only just gotten to a stage where the fixture mess looks sorted. Why would we add in another competition when the county board can hardly put together a competent fixture plan as it is?"
Agree. I could never see it working. I heard Thomas O'Se talking about it in an interview and he wasn't exactly happy with it as he was training a junior team that lost players for an extended period of time while they were looking to train for the junior championship. They subsequently lost the final but that might have been inevitable given the strength of Fosa.

I think it could only do clubs harm. I'm not aware that intermediate and junior clubs are doing so well at the minute that they could afford the best group of players to go and train elsewhere at a time when they want to focus on their respective championships. We have already lost 3 clubs over the last 10 years, this could lead to more clubs going to the wall.

It might be a better idea to restructure championships in a way that creates 4 tiers. That way there is a realistic change of winning a trophy for more clubs and it might even create the possibility of clubs with bigger numbers being able to field a third string team in the fourth tier.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 12/12/2022 09:48:46    2450152

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Replying To ballymore1967:  "I am strongly against this added amalgamation competition. The last thing players and managers want is more games added into an already packed season. With a possible 12 league games and maybe 8/9 championship games under the current structure, lads don't want to be playing any extra games. We've only just gotten to a stage where the fixture mess looks sorted. Why would we add in another competition when the county board can hardly put together a competent fixture plan as it is?"
Wasn't it tried (kinda) in Longford in the 1970's where Intermediate clubs would amalgamate into pairs to compete in a senior championship qualifier competition with the winner entering the senior championship proper? But that was in the days of knockout championship with far less games than today. I don't think there is capacity in Longford to absorb more games (the CB isn't suddenly going to mushroom in size or ability) and surely the problem is not that we need more teams in senior championship but that we need less? It appears to take a massive effort to complete the leagues and Leader Cup (!!) before championship starts, and you are still into October for county final. So I don't know where extra divisional games would fit or who they would really benefit beyond some getting to tick the box on playing Senior (even though there is a tiered promotional system in place for that). Would seem like more complexity for the sake of it.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 12/12/2022 11:30:40    2450170

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Wasn't it tried (kinda) in Longford in the 1970's where Intermediate clubs would amalgamate into pairs to compete in a senior championship qualifier competition with the winner entering the senior championship proper? But that was in the days of knockout championship with far less games than today. I don't think there is capacity in Longford to absorb more games (the CB isn't suddenly going to mushroom in size or ability) and surely the problem is not that we need more teams in senior championship but that we need less? It appears to take a massive effort to complete the leagues and Leader Cup (!!) before championship starts, and you are still into October for county final. So I don't know where extra divisional games would fit or who they would really benefit beyond some getting to tick the box on playing Senior (even though there is a tiered promotional system in place for that). Would seem like more complexity for the sake of it."
Something was tried once 50 years ago so should not be tried again maybe this time properly? Is it a tick the box exercise in Cork, Kerry and now Roscommon? It's about improving the level of football in the county which can only be done by having lads play at a higher level. 135 years with one leinster and one league, what's the definition of insanity again?
The prediction that clubs would go to the wall over attempting this is one of the strangest I have heard and there are a lot of strange things posted here by posters talking to themselves!

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 12/12/2022 12:40:23    2450176

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Something was tried once 50 years ago so should not be tried again maybe this time properly? Is it a tick the box exercise in Cork, Kerry and now Roscommon? It's about improving the level of football in the county which can only be done by having lads play at a higher level. 135 years with one leinster and one league, what's the definition of insanity again?
The prediction that clubs would go to the wall over attempting this is one of the strangest I have heard and there are a lot of strange things posted here by posters talking to themselves!"
Its simple really. If a club at a level below senior is struggling to get numbers out at training and then they lose all their best players at a key part of the season when they want to concentrate on their main priority, whatever particular championship they are in, then I believe that the small numbers at training will result in teams going nights without training sessions which will eventually lead to disinterest within the club.

However the reality is that the clubs at intermediate and junior that have a realistic chance of winning those competitions will probably not contribute players to an amalgamation, as the players will want to focus on winning their own championship with their club and not want to be side-tracked.

No one really has any interest in any sort of amalgamated teams. They never have and never will. Its about your club. As a poster said above, its hard enough to fit fixture into a season without some making things worse with amalgamations. If you are arguing for it then you'll be arguing with yourself because I can guarantee you it'd never pass through the County Board as clubs won't support it and rightly so.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 12/12/2022 13:21:57    2450182

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Why so many against amalgamation? For those who say it cant work take a step back and look what happened in Munster this weekend. Clean sweep of Munster titles for Kerry clubs. All this after there county team would league and championship. If countys think they already have to many competitions just get rid of them and just play league / championship and amalgamated champo

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 60 - 12/12/2022 13:40:23    2450185

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Replying To Thejampot:  "Why so many against amalgamation? For those who say it cant work take a step back and look what happened in Munster this weekend. Clean sweep of Munster titles for Kerry clubs. All this after there county team would league and championship. If countys think they already have to many competitions just get rid of them and just play league / championship and amalgamated champo"
Daft statement.

Kerry have dominated the Intermediate and Junior club championships because of how their championships are structured. Not because of any amalgamations. They only have 8 teams in senior championship, 16 in intermediate. That means you have the 9th best club team in the intermediate and the 25th best club team in the junior from the strongest footballing county in the country.

If Longford reduced their the senior championship to 8 teams then I am pretty sure it would have a positive knock-on effect with results in Leinster club intermediate. Likewise a similar restructuring of intermediate would likely result in good results in Leinster junior championship.

"Champo"... are you really from Leitrim or a Leitrim person living in Dublin too long!!

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 12/12/2022 15:40:56    2450212

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Someone better tell Munster Junior champions Fossa that they are in danger of going to the wall. Fossa, a club like Grattans to Dr Crokes Slashers in Killarney have allowed their top players thrive in this system. I don't expect the idea to go anywhere, the dinosaur attitude is too strong clearly. It's amazing to think people here know a better system than the one which has worked so well for the 38 times All Ireland champions. I'm not even saying it would work, just that it should be at least attempted. Fair dues
to the Rossies, but they have always been miles ahead of us in terms of being progressive

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 12/12/2022 16:23:48    2450221

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Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Anyone able to confirm the Anthony Cunningham to Mullinalaghta rumours?"
Given that was appointed Portarlington manager this morning, i'm going to say No.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 12/12/2022 17:26:04    2450231

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Someone better tell Munster Junior champions Fossa that they are in danger of going to the wall. Fossa, a club like Grattans to Dr Crokes Slashers in Killarney have allowed their top players thrive in this system. I don't expect the idea to go anywhere, the dinosaur attitude is too strong clearly. It's amazing to think people here know a better system than the one which has worked so well for the 38 times All Ireland champions. I'm not even saying it would work, just that it should be at least attempted. Fair dues
to the Rossies, but they have always been miles ahead of us in terms of being progressive"
You are using a strawmans argument. Longford club football and Kerry club football are not comparable. Fossa would likely win the senior championship in Longford.

Even Fossa's Munster championship success is distorted by the fact that the championship structures in Kerry work in their favour with the result that Kerry have stronger teams going into the respective provincial championships. Arguably the 25th ranked team in Kerry against the 54th ranked team from Cork in yesterday's junior final.

If anything yesterdays result, and the ongoing dominance of Kerry clubs at intermediate and junior provincial level, is proof that despite the fact that both Cork and Kerry have a system which gives the opportunity to players from intermediate and junior teams to play in a senior championship it is ultimately the structure of their championships that dictates their respective success in at club provincial level.

Lets see how the Rossies get on. If its a success then it is likely that other counties will follow but I believe that its more likely that it won't be a success.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 12/12/2022 17:34:33    2450232

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Replying To Mull93:  "Daft statement.

Kerry have dominated the Intermediate and Junior club championships because of how their championships are structured. Not because of any amalgamations. They only have 8 teams in senior championship, 16 in intermediate. That means you have the 9th best club team in the intermediate and the 25th best club team in the junior from the strongest footballing county in the country.

If Longford reduced their the senior championship to 8 teams then I am pretty sure it would have a positive knock-on effect with results in Leinster club intermediate. Likewise a similar restructuring of intermediate would likely result in good results in Leinster junior championship.

"Champo"... are you really from Leitrim or a Leitrim person living in Dublin too long!!"
Agreed. A Kerry club has won 18 of the last 21 Munster Junior Club Championships. Ask clubs in Munster what they think of that competition and it will prove enlightening. Worth pointing out that Kerry's 25th best team (Fossa) beat Cork's 53rd best team (Kilmurry) yesterday. In reality an Intermediate club beat a Junior club... by 11 points! If anyone thinks there is any sort of comparison between a top Junior club in Kerry and a top Junior club in Longford at the moment based on the relative structure of championship (among other things), they are truly talking to themselves.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 288 - 12/12/2022 17:47:43    2450234

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