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Eugene also managed Cavan.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 23/03/2022 18:59:19    2406756

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Replying To Mull93:  "Here's a question for the wise heads here;

How many Longford men have managed another county. A few of us were discussing this over the weekend and this is what we come up with.

Eugene McGee - Offaly
Michael McCormack - Monaghan
Declan Rowley - Leitrim
Sean Hagan - Leitrim

Is there anyone we missed out on or maybe some other Longford men, or women, that were involved with another county in some capacity?"
Padraig Carberry from Cashel managed the Kildare Minors a couple of times over the past 20 years. When Longford played Kildare in the Minor Championship a few years ago, it was Longford Manager Ger Carberry versus Kildare Manager Padraig Carberry.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 23/03/2022 19:09:06    2406757

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Best of luck to the hurlers today in NHL semifinal against Leitrim at 2.30pm in Pearse Park.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 26/03/2022 11:02:44    2407141

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Great team performance today!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 26/03/2022 16:16:11    2407210

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Great win by the hurlers. Longfords sixth Division 3B final in ten years, and won it three times in that period, so fingers crossed we can add another title next weekend.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 26/03/2022 16:52:27    2407216

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Fantastic win this afternoon. Chips were down and the lads showed us all what they were made of. Well done.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 27/03/2022 16:51:36    2407381

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Fantastic win this afternoon. Chips were down and the lads showed us all what they were made of. Well done."
Great win Longford but as a Laoisman it's no surprise. We have been dreadful for a good few years now thanks to an idiotic and outdated county board who are clueless. They then go and run every supporters nose in cow dung by putting a manager in that nobody wanted.

Richardkimble (Laois) - Posts: 39 - 27/03/2022 17:49:56    2407427

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Fantastic win this afternoon. Chips were down and the lads showed us all what they were made of. Well done."
It was a great win and some great individual performances but its so frustrating to see the celebrations after the game as if we had got promoted. We have fallen well short of what we should have achieved. We have missed a great opportunity to get promoted this year in a weak Division 3. I said this at the start and its not that I am changing my mind on it now. The two teams promoted were Louth and Limerick. Both were in Div 4 in the last two years. Neither are any way better than Longford but we treat staying up as a success.

Time and time again its been said we don't have the players. We have seen some great individual performances from a number of the younger players this year and the established players have also done well. We do have players good enough to win Div 3 and we should stop putting them down and having low expectations of them.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 27/03/2022 17:55:21    2407433

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Replying To Mull93:  "It was a great win and some great individual performances but its so frustrating to see the celebrations after the game as if we had got promoted. We have fallen well short of what we should have achieved. We have missed a great opportunity to get promoted this year in a weak Division 3. I said this at the start and its not that I am changing my mind on it now. The two teams promoted were Louth and Limerick. Both were in Div 4 in the last two years. Neither are any way better than Longford but we treat staying up as a success.

Time and time again its been said we don't have the players. We have seen some great individual performances from a number of the younger players this year and the established players have also done well. We do have players good enough to win Div 3 and we should stop putting them down and having low expectations of them."
You forgot to mention the fact that so many people left the panels this year, Two of our most experienced players injured for most of the campaign. Had a rookie management team in situ, Suffered demoralizing defeats in campaign. Yet they produced two great displays against the odds. We have so many inexperienced players on the panel with a lot of players U20.
The lads deserve credit today and it was great to see the supporters celebrating with them. After leaving Limerick in R1 we knew it would be a battle to survive.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 27/03/2022 19:19:05    2407500

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Replying To Mull93:  "It was a great win and some great individual performances but its so frustrating to see the celebrations after the game as if we had got promoted. We have fallen well short of what we should have achieved. We have missed a great opportunity to get promoted this year in a weak Division 3. I said this at the start and its not that I am changing my mind on it now. The two teams promoted were Louth and Limerick. Both were in Div 4 in the last two years. Neither are any way better than Longford but we treat staying up as a success.

Time and time again its been said we don't have the players. We have seen some great individual performances from a number of the younger players this year and the established players have also done well. We do have players good enough to win Div 3 and we should stop putting them down and having low expectations of them."
there are positives and negatives today. its great that team and management responded when backs were to the wall and came out with a great performance to stay up. young hagan gave one of the best individual performances ive seen in years in an important game, reminded me of his clubman jamesy martin all those years ago against derry. scenes afterwards and congratulating ourselves online and over the top posts are a bit embarrasing as it was some atrocious performances that put us in this position to begin with. we only stayed up because of this head to head instead of score difference and had wicklow won today which they looked not far off doing, we were gone. some perspective needed as that is without doubt the worst laois team i have ever seen take the field to play us. we are completely stagnant as a county. next year it will be 10 years since we were above division 3, this is after having won a leinster minor, been in another final and lost two u21 finals. i am happy for the manager especially after hearing a couple of laois "supporters" laughing about him as a manager on the way in. not laughing now!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 150 - 27/03/2022 19:54:51    2407526

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Replying To B&G:  "You forgot to mention the fact that so many people left the panels this year, Two of our most experienced players injured for most of the campaign. Had a rookie management team in situ, Suffered demoralizing defeats in campaign. Yet they produced two great displays against the odds. We have so many inexperienced players on the panel with a lot of players U20.
The lads deserve credit today and it was great to see the supporters celebrating with them. After leaving Limerick in R1 we knew it would be a battle to survive."
No I didn't forget to mention that players left the panel because that has been the same for pretty much every team in Div 3 and 4, higher divisions as well. We were chatting with a few Laois lads in beside us before the game and informed us that Laois have lost a huge number of players this year. Apart from the Kingstons I didn't know much of the names but they seemed to be badly hit. Limerick were missing their best player and forward who is gone away with the army somewhere but it didn't prevent them getting promotion.

The reality is that while Longford have lost players, and its disappointing to do so, the young lads players are all good players and some were always going to be starting this year anyway.

The same group of lads didn't rate O'Loughlin in the conversation before the game. They didn't know where to look after the game!!

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 27/03/2022 21:50:29    2407595

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Replying To Mull93:  "No I didn't forget to mention that players left the panel because that has been the same for pretty much every team in Div 3 and 4, higher divisions as well. We were chatting with a few Laois lads in beside us before the game and informed us that Laois have lost a huge number of players this year. Apart from the Kingstons I didn't know much of the names but they seemed to be badly hit. Limerick were missing their best player and forward who is gone away with the army somewhere but it didn't prevent them getting promotion.

The reality is that while Longford have lost players, and its disappointing to do so, the young lads players are all good players and some were always going to be starting this year anyway.

The same group of lads didn't rate O'Loughlin in the conversation before the game. They didn't know where to look after the game!!"
The reality is that we were lucky to survive. We won two matches which we were not expected to. Those games, the lads had a go and played like a team who were there for quite a while.
In matches against Wicklow, Limerick, Louth, Fermangh (with 14 players) and Antrim we were devoid of ideas. I think we overachieved this year with that bunch of players. Remember, Laois kicked almost 20 wides in the hour.
We do not have a gameplan from what I can see.
That bunch of players would be annihilated in D2 next year if they were promoted. Last time wee were promoted to D2, we went to D4 in successive seasons.
It was an achievement to survive in D3 this year. Next season will be tougher with Offaly, Down, Cavan and Tipp in the mix.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 28/03/2022 07:44:21    2407608

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Replying To B&G:  "The reality is that we were lucky to survive. We won two matches which we were not expected to. Those games, the lads had a go and played like a team who were there for quite a while.
In matches against Wicklow, Limerick, Louth, Fermangh (with 14 players) and Antrim we were devoid of ideas. I think we overachieved this year with that bunch of players. Remember, Laois kicked almost 20 wides in the hour.
We do not have a gameplan from what I can see.
That bunch of players would be annihilated in D2 next year if they were promoted. Last time wee were promoted to D2, we went to D4 in successive seasons.
It was an achievement to survive in D3 this year. Next season will be tougher with Offaly, Down, Cavan and Tipp in the mix."
We were lucky in the end but it should never have been the case, we should have been up the other end of the table. I have been told Limerick were missing three starting players from last years team including their best player and forward. They will likely come back down as quick but wouldn't we love the experience. The last time we got relegated from division 2 were unlucky. We were plagued by injuries, Paul Barden, Shane Mulligan and Declan Reilly were 3 players if I remember correctly who were injured for most games and Brian Kavanagh had taken a year out. Though we didn't get a point from any game, we were unlucky in so many games and were never hammered. The experience would have stood to us had Glen stayed on or we got another experienced manager but we didn't and that's why we ended up in division 4.

Next year will be tough but we should still be aiming to do well. Down are not going well. We'd beat them this year and should next year unless something changes. I'd have no fear against any of those teams in the division, they are all in the same division for a reason, thats their current level.

The gameplan issue does seem to be a problem. Take out big individual performances in the games we got results in and there's not much evidence of a team receiving good coaching.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 28/03/2022 14:52:20    2407786

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Replying To Mull93:  "We were lucky in the end but it should never have been the case, we should have been up the other end of the table. I have been told Limerick were missing three starting players from last years team including their best player and forward. They will likely come back down as quick but wouldn't we love the experience. The last time we got relegated from division 2 were unlucky. We were plagued by injuries, Paul Barden, Shane Mulligan and Declan Reilly were 3 players if I remember correctly who were injured for most games and Brian Kavanagh had taken a year out. Though we didn't get a point from any game, we were unlucky in so many games and were never hammered. The experience would have stood to us had Glen stayed on or we got another experienced manager but we didn't and that's why we ended up in division 4.

Next year will be tough but we should still be aiming to do well. Down are not going well. We'd beat them this year and should next year unless something changes. I'd have no fear against any of those teams in the division, they are all in the same division for a reason, thats their current level.

The gameplan issue does seem to be a problem. Take out big individual performances in the games we got results in and there's not much evidence of a team receiving good coaching."
Limerick had 7 players from their 2021 squad opt out of the panel last December and one of their key players (Brian Fanning) opted out in January. So they lost 8 of their squad ahead of the start of the season, players who would definitely have been there, who opted not to play this year. They pushed on regardless and finished 2nd in the table, 1 point off top and got promoted to Division 2.

Last time we were in Division 2 in 2013, we lost every single game as you say, and lost to Derry by 9 which is a bit of a hammering in any language. We haven't been a Division 2 quality side for more than 15 years now. Being able for a division means having a deep enough squad to absorb the injuries (or opt outs) you will get. Next year will be another battle to maintain Division 3 status in my view. We might rise to it, but lets see.

Hopefully the quality of football in the county rises from here and the Tailteann Cup brings a lift in confidence. The quality of club football in the county was very poor last year, worst I can remember for a long time. Lets hope we see that rise first and confidence flow back into the system from the roots up. Badly needed after coming within a whisker of being back in the bottom tier of the national league.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 28/03/2022 16:36:39    2407822

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Limerick had 7 players from their 2021 squad opt out of the panel last December and one of their key players (Brian Fanning) opted out in January. So they lost 8 of their squad ahead of the start of the season, players who would definitely have been there, who opted not to play this year. They pushed on regardless and finished 2nd in the table, 1 point off top and got promoted to Division 2.

Last time we were in Division 2 in 2013, we lost every single game as you say, and lost to Derry by 9 which is a bit of a hammering in any language. We haven't been a Division 2 quality side for more than 15 years now. Being able for a division means having a deep enough squad to absorb the injuries (or opt outs) you will get. Next year will be another battle to maintain Division 3 status in my view. We might rise to it, but lets see.

Hopefully the quality of football in the county rises from here and the Tailteann Cup brings a lift in confidence. The quality of club football in the county was very poor last year, worst I can remember for a long time. Lets hope we see that rise first and confidence flow back into the system from the roots up. Badly needed after coming within a whisker of being back in the bottom tier of the national league."
Your right Derry was a hammering but there were lots of tight games. As a player I think you'd prefer a crack at that division and see how you get on then playing within yourself and never progressing. I think that you'd retain players easier if you are playing at a higher level. It might be initial short term pain for long term gain as players are exposed to more games at a higher level and eventually that level becomes a level you are capable of playing for. Look at Roscommon, up and down from division 1 and 2 but they are a better team from it. Division 2 and 3 is a lower level but the improvements could be relative and similar. You'd hope there'd be a positive knock on effect to club football from this.

I think there are a number of issues within the county club scene. I don't know what the solutions are as such but some of the current problems I see are:
1. League games after championship
2. League games in the middle of championship
3. Players who are not eligible for Division 4 or 5 going long periods without competitive games.

Maybe these issues will be addressed this year but if not then things won't improve. We have had to play games after championship the last few years. We took bad beatings, gave walkovers, got walkovers and got results against teams we might not normally have. Training wise there was no enthusiasm from players or managers. This year we have been training since the end of January but didn't know when anything was starting. I don't know why we couldn't get a clearly defined fixtures list in December/January that has you finishing with football for the year with championship. We only received any confirmation of fixtures a couple of weeks ago. How can you plan anything. These things take the good out of the game.

Continuing on from this, its my belive that the league this year is 4 games with county players and then 4 with no county players and all will be played before championship. If its the case that there are no games in the middle of championship and none after then that is a step forward.

The only way to improve players is to have competitive games, having games in the middle of championship with your trying to mind yourself and after when you don't have the same interest does not create an environment for players to develop and maybe more importantly enjoy the game.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 28/03/2022 17:24:37    2407841

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Does anyone know which five ACFL Division 1 games will happen without the county players? Is it the first five rounds or the last five rounds?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 29/03/2022 12:14:53    2408049

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Does anyone know which five ACFL Division 1 games will happen without the county players? Is it the first five rounds or the last five rounds?"
The first 5, presumably.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 30/03/2022 14:45:34    2408386

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Replying To keeper7:  "The first 5, presumably."
I heard that the league will be divided into two groups of 6 this year. That is either 5 or 10 games for each team. Remember last year they said that the first 5 rounds were to be played without county players. This crucified some clubs with a lot of intercounty panelists between senior/U20. Even when all county activity was over the County board still persisted with having certain rounds without county players.
There were a lot of walkovers in these earlier rounds with clubs not able to field. Hence clubs were thrown out of league (one club in particular) for conceding two or more walkovers.
I think that it is no harm having league matches after the championship. Other counties have them.
Take the scenario of no league matches after championship.
If club championship commences in mid august, some teams will be gone by end of September.
A club may only have 3/4 championship matches and 5 matches with full strength teams from mid June. (Matches played prior to that without county players are akin to challenge matches)
A club player starts training in February with real season commences in June (when county players are available)
They could be out of championship by mid September and only play 8 meaningful matches during season.
Last years system whereby each club played at least 6 championship matches and several league matches was fair I believe on the club player.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 30/03/2022 15:51:09    2408422

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Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 30/03/2022 16:11:52    2408436

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
U20 players are also included.
Good points raised. Players need game time. If we get a game or two in Leinster and maybe two matches in the Tailteann Cup, there will be quite a few players on the extended panel which may not see much game time which could be 6-8 weeks. If players were allowed to play for their clubs after the Leinster championship, they might put themselves in the frame for a place when the Tailteann Cup comes around.
The successful counties releases players to the clubs during championship season and this is beneficial to both parties.

Jack L (None) - Posts: 2915 - 30/03/2022 19:07:57    2408498

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