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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
there was war with every other manager before when their were club games in the lead up to championship. what you are talking about i dont think can happen now anyway as it is against the agreement to keep club and county separate seasons. i think what they have done is probably the best they can. county players are going to get a minimum of 11 competitive games with their clubs and club players will be getting 16 at least.

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 150 - 31/03/2022 09:29:26    2408536

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
"Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1"

That's only 20 players. No one from Slashers…

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 31/03/2022 09:42:42    2408540

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Replying To keeper7:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
"Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1"

That's only 20 players. No one from Slashers…"
The other 6 were from Division 2 clubs and yes, no Slashers on the 26 man squad listed for the recent Laois game.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 31/03/2022 11:22:49    2408589

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "
Replying To keeper7:  "[quote=LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
"Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1"

That's only 20 players. No one from Slashers…"
The other 6 were from Division 2 clubs and yes, no Slashers on the 26 man squad listed for the recent Laois game."]Excellent Longford Abú, you're a great man for the statistics.

I know Killoe or any other club that have a lot of players on county team might not agree with this but I think that they should play all the league games off and if a county player is available either because he wasn't on 26 or wasn't used in the case of county games that are played on a Saturday and club games on a Sunday, then he should be allowed play with club.

As for the poster that is in favour of clubs games after championship, I'd ask the the question, are you playing football or have you played football? Because there is no player that I know what wants to play league games after championship. The proof is in the effort that clubs put into training and games after championship. I love football but I hate training after championship. Numbers are low, intensity is not there. The same commitment isn't given to games. I'd much prefer to finish up after the last championship game and then take a proper break. Rather than losing players because of a long winter break, I think you'd retain more because you'd have a more condensed season. Its far too dragged out, pre-Covid, and you end up just wishing for the end of the season.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 31/03/2022 12:12:30    2408618

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Replying To keeper7:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
"Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1"

That's only 20 players. No one from Slashers…"
no slashers on the minors either and one the keeper on the u20 team. lynn and o'brien should be in the senior panel

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 150 - 31/03/2022 12:41:34    2408639

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Replying To slasher9:  "
Replying To keeper7:  "[quote=LongfordgaaAbú:  "Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1

(I appreciate the numbers change a bit, but it is mostly a correct picture)

ACFL Division 1 is 2 groups of 6 this year, so each club plays 10 games... 5 without county players and 5 with county players. Here are the published dates for the first 5 rounds of the league...

Round 1 = W/E of 16th April
Round 2 = W/E of 23rd April
Round 3 = W/E of 1st May
Round 4 = W/E of 14th May
Round 5 = W/E of 21st May

The next County game is Leinster QF against Westmeath on 1st May while the Tailteann Cup starts on weekend of 29th May and continues throughout June with the final on 9th July I think.

If the first five ACFL Division 1 matches are played without any county players, those clubs listed above will have their best players sat in the stand watching their teammates play five league games in April and May while they themselves play perhaps just one county game in that same period.

How does it make sense to park those players for all five games? Why not give them competitive games with their clubs in the weeks leading up to the Westmeath game (what better preparation could there be for both Leinster and Tailteann competitions), and if we lose to Westmeath, return them to their clubs until Tailteann Cup starts? The advertised reason is to apply some consistency, but the split of impact to clubs is obviously not consistent (it never is), so that argument doesn't stand up. There is also no overlap between the football and hurling panels this year, so we can dispense with that argument too."
"Using the 26-man squad from Laois game, here is count of top county players from each club in Division 1...

Killoe: 5
Carrickedmond: 3
Mullinalaghta: 2
Rathcline: 2
Granard: 2
Mostrim: 1
Dromard: 1
Clonguish: 1
Abbeylara: 1
Colmcille: 1
Fr. Manning Gaels: 1"

That's only 20 players. No one from Slashers…"
no slashers on the minors either and one the keeper on the u20 team. lynn and o'brien should be in the senior panel"]Weren't Slashers in the U18 Minor County Final 2 & 3 years ago??? Won it 3 years ago, I believe. Daire O'Brien didn't get a run & Tadhg McNiven didn't hardly either with the seniors. I wouldn't mind but we badly need a midfield partner for Gallagher. Not sure what happened with P. Lynn.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 31/03/2022 15:18:30    2408693

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I know we are stuck with the decision that has been made, in part because clubs agreed to it, but I wonder whether anyone actually laid out the fixtures alongside that proposal and still thought it was a good outcome? We can only judge things in the here and now, and based on what I see before us in the next two months, it seems to make no sense to me to have lads sat around watching games they could easily be playing in. The strong odds are that county players will be sat watching 5 games from the stand while only playing 1 themselves in April and May. Not sure that gives King Billy any real advantage, or anyone else for that matter. A lesson in not making decisions until you have enough data.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 31/03/2022 16:10:23    2408714

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Replying To B&G:  "I heard that the league will be divided into two groups of 6 this year. That is either 5 or 10 games for each team. Remember last year they said that the first 5 rounds were to be played without county players. This crucified some clubs with a lot of intercounty panelists between senior/U20. Even when all county activity was over the County board still persisted with having certain rounds without county players.
There were a lot of walkovers in these earlier rounds with clubs not able to field. Hence clubs were thrown out of league (one club in particular) for conceding two or more walkovers.
I think that it is no harm having league matches after the championship. Other counties have them.
Take the scenario of no league matches after championship.
If club championship commences in mid august, some teams will be gone by end of September.
A club may only have 3/4 championship matches and 5 matches with full strength teams from mid June. (Matches played prior to that without county players are akin to challenge matches)
A club player starts training in February with real season commences in June (when county players are available)
They could be out of championship by mid September and only play 8 meaningful matches during season.
Last years system whereby each club played at least 6 championship matches and several league matches was fair I believe on the club player."
Bull. Other counties finish league before championship I.e both Cavan and Leitrim.
Real season does not really commence in June, like the leagues start in 2 weeks time. Players are mentally done after championship

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 190 - 31/03/2022 17:47:51    2408751

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Any truth in the rumours that Tommy McCormack has stepped down as Rathcline manager?

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 969 - 02/04/2022 13:52:34    2409053

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Hard luck to the Longford hurlers today, a step too far on the day.
Also fair play to Westmeath... only 6 hurling clubs and now in Division 1.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 02/04/2022 19:37:31    2409125

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Hard luck to the Longford hurlers today, a step too far on the day.
Also fair play to Westmeath... only 6 hurling clubs and now in Division 1."
The hurlers were very unlucky. Draw game with 10 minutes to go, Lynam got sent off (straight red). Fermanagh a point up into injury time & Longford seeking a winning or levelling score leaked a goal at the other. Could easily have gone our way as we had more goal chances than the opposition. The 2nd goal just wouldn't come. In fairness, it was a brilliant game of hurling.

Westmeath have 15 hurling clubs.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 03/04/2022 20:22:26    2409363

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Replying To keeper7:  "The hurlers were very unlucky. Draw game with 10 minutes to go, Lynam got sent off (straight red). Fermanagh a point up into injury time & Longford seeking a winning or levelling score leaked a goal at the other. Could easily have gone our way as we had more goal chances than the opposition. The 2nd goal just wouldn't come. In fairness, it was a brilliant game of hurling.

Westmeath have 15 hurling clubs."
Ah I see. I was going by the fact that they only have 6 clubs in their senior hurling championship.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 04/04/2022 12:57:19    2409502

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Ah I see. I was going by the fact that they only have 6 clubs in their senior hurling championship."
They have Senior B, Intermediate, Junior & Junior B too, as far as I know.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 04/04/2022 15:10:25    2409556

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Tough luck on the U20s on Saturday. The width of the post cost us a great win :(

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4026 - 19/04/2022 10:09:16    2411485

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Any news on how the the preparation is going for championship?

Anyone added to the panel or drop off?

Did they continue training after the league? O'Loughlin had said that he wasn't focusing on the 'defunct 'championship.

Also I see the game is Saturday week at 6pm in Cusack Park. Was it not originally fixed for the Sunday at 2pm. I don't remember hearing about a change in date.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 21/04/2022 12:58:06    2412073

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Replying To Mull93:  "Any news on how the the preparation is going for championship?

Anyone added to the panel or drop off?

Did they continue training after the league? O'Loughlin had said that he wasn't focusing on the 'defunct 'championship.

Also I see the game is Saturday week at 6pm in Cusack Park. Was it not originally fixed for the Sunday at 2pm. I don't remember hearing about a change in date."
Personally, I couldn't care less about Leinster. Has been a dead duck for my entire lifetime, so I expect nothing from it this year either. Sooner we flash forward to later in the decade where these provincials can be dismantled once the old guys die off, the better. Looking forward to Tailteann Cup and chance of competing in something we could possibly win.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 178 - 21/04/2022 15:44:11    2412117

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Personally, I couldn't care less about Leinster. Has been a dead duck for my entire lifetime, so I expect nothing from it this year either. Sooner we flash forward to later in the decade where these provincials can be dismantled once the old guys die off, the better. Looking forward to Tailteann Cup and chance of competing in something we could possibly win."
There's no rule in any book that says the old die first.

The Tailteann Cup competition will be far from perfect.

Fix the cause of the problem first, and avoid lowering your standards.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2598 - 22/04/2022 08:37:26    2412187

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Div 1 league game predictions:
Granard v Fr Manning Gaels - Granard
Abbeylara v Rathcline - Abbeylara
Slashers v Mullinachta - Mullinachta
Clonguish v Killoe - Killoe
Dromard v Colmcille - Colmcille
Carrickedmond v Mostrim - Draw, hardest one to call

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 22/04/2022 12:04:41    2412238

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Wins for Mullinalaghta and Clonguish. Draw in Granard/Gaels and Abbeylara/Rathcline games.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 969 - 23/04/2022 15:10:17    2412495

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Good result for Fr Manning Gaels, surely be favourites for the intermediate.

Rathcline will be happy with their result too.

Mullinachta result was tighter than expected but they are looking to hold off and peak later in the year.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 23/04/2022 16:46:23    2412519

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