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Replying To williesboy:  "If right is right Clonguish don't make 1/4 finals if you go by the rules"
Clonguish do make the 1/4 finals regardless of the appeal.
If it stays the way it is Carrick were out.
If Carrick win their appeal, Dromard are out.
The only way it affected Clonguish and a few others, is who they play in the 1/4 finals.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1327 - 18/09/2024 14:43:06    2570584

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Replying To maximus02:  "Yeah, I agree with you. I don't blame Mull for appealing the result at all. I know lots have been shouting for a replay of Mull, Carrick too but I wouldn't agree with that at all. Mull are the team lodging the appeal, they are the injured party. They were through to the q final regardless so how would a replay be a fair result for them. You can't blame Carrick for appealing either, I think any other club would too. The county board should have just let play the whole appeal process play out and determine if the game ended a draw or mull won by a point. End of story then. They have made things far worse by ploughing on ahead with the q/finals. It beggars belief that someone in the county board didn't shout STOP and say lads this could backfire on us. We better hold out until the process is over. The James Mcgivney thing sounds like it could be a right mess too."
The judgement used in pushing ahead after the Leinster decision broke on Saturday morning, was diabolical, as was the management of the original Longford CCC meeting in allowing a situation which Leinster found to be improper. Poor judgement and poor decision-making (again!) is the common denominator here.

Leinster requested the original objection by Mullinalaghta be reheard by a newly constituted Longford CCC. That will happen and conclude the score was 2-11 to 2-12 and that will be that. If Carrick wish to push it up the ladder again, it will be shot down by both Leinster and DRA after that. Carrick could push to sanction CCC over how this was handled (would not blame them if they did), and they might be successful there at DRA level. But it won't result in replay or change to the current state of play in the championship.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 574 - 18/09/2024 15:15:01    2570593

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "The judgement used in pushing ahead after the Leinster decision broke on Saturday morning, was diabolical, as was the management of the original Longford CCC meeting in allowing a situation which Leinster found to be improper. Poor judgement and poor decision-making (again!) is the common denominator here.

Leinster requested the original objection by Mullinalaghta be reheard by a newly constituted Longford CCC. That will happen and conclude the score was 2-11 to 2-12 and that will be that. If Carrick wish to push it up the ladder again, it will be shot down by both Leinster and DRA after that. Carrick could push to sanction CCC over how this was handled (would not blame them if they did), and they might be successful there at DRA level. But it won't result in replay or change to the current state of play in the championship."
Well summarised.

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 517 - 18/09/2024 15:24:50    2570595

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "The judgement used in pushing ahead after the Leinster decision broke on Saturday morning, was diabolical, as was the management of the original Longford CCC meeting in allowing a situation which Leinster found to be improper. Poor judgement and poor decision-making (again!) is the common denominator here.

Leinster requested the original objection by Mullinalaghta be reheard by a newly constituted Longford CCC. That will happen and conclude the score was 2-11 to 2-12 and that will be that. If Carrick wish to push it up the ladder again, it will be shot down by both Leinster and DRA after that. Carrick could push to sanction CCC over how this was handled (would not blame them if they did), and they might be successful there at DRA level. But it won't result in replay or change to the current state of play in the championship."
I was told an independent appeal process (DRA) could deem the q finals played already invalid( if it gets that far) as there is an ongoing appeal. This is regardless of Carrick winning or losing the appeal, the process just wasn't played out.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 18/09/2024 15:35:31    2570596

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This saga should be played out in National media instead of Hoganstand. With no intercounty activity there is a vacuum which could be filled with this drama.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 362 - 18/09/2024 15:52:08    2570597

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Not that I'm trying to apportion blame here but the Secretary of the Longford Co. Board is a full time paid position and surely has had oversight (as an ex - officio member of all subcommittees i.e. the Longford CCC) over the entire debacle, from the initial appeal, to the quarter finals being played in direct contravention of rule, to the improper constitution of the CCC to hear the case, and by extension the technicality availed of by Mullinalaghta that resulted in J McGivney playing at the weekend. He is also a very experienced administrator and is held in good standing in the GAA at local level, so how this litany of errors has been allowed to proceed? Has he no say, is he not being deferred to? Or are there a few people on these sub committees going on solo runs with their own clubs interests in mind? While some may say it's entertaining is leading to a very unsatisfactory situation for players and clubs, and would be even worse if something similar was to happen in Leitrim given we have not got the lighting facilities to play games at night.

Given this and the previous headlines in recent years about CCC decisions ( and the seemingly contradictory approaches taken in those situations ) one has to wonder how far the situation is from "bringing the organisation into disrepute" and if not there already. Am open to correction on whether a CCC is constituted for a 5 year period or can it be changed annually at Convention but surely a broad reshuffle can't be ruled out this winter?

Dodgy_Pass (Leitrim) - Posts: 380 - 18/09/2024 16:28:24    2570606

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Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Not that I'm trying to apportion blame here but the Secretary of the Longford Co. Board is a full time paid position and surely has had oversight (as an ex - officio member of all subcommittees i.e. the Longford CCC) over the entire debacle, from the initial appeal, to the quarter finals being played in direct contravention of rule, to the improper constitution of the CCC to hear the case, and by extension the technicality availed of by Mullinalaghta that resulted in J McGivney playing at the weekend. He is also a very experienced administrator and is held in good standing in the GAA at local level, so how this litany of errors has been allowed to proceed? Has he no say, is he not being deferred to? Or are there a few people on these sub committees going on solo runs with their own clubs interests in mind? While some may say it's entertaining is leading to a very unsatisfactory situation for players and clubs, and would be even worse if something similar was to happen in Leitrim given we have not got the lighting facilities to play games at night.

Given this and the previous headlines in recent years about CCC decisions ( and the seemingly contradictory approaches taken in those situations ) one has to wonder how far the situation is from "bringing the organisation into disrepute" and if not there already. Am open to correction on whether a CCC is constituted for a 5 year period or can it be changed annually at Convention but surely a broad reshuffle can't be ruled out this winter?"
Are you sure the secretary is a paid official.
It's news to me that a smallish county ( like us) would have a paid administrator. We definitely don't have one.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1957 - 18/09/2024 18:02:54    2570619

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A lot of nonsense spoken on here today. Appeal will fail again tonight, previous fixtures will stand and Longford move forward with the semi finals. I'm not too sure what will happen Carrick with the game against Slashers that they didn't turn up for. Hopefully it's put to bed tonight.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 18/09/2024 18:12:29    2570620

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What must the new manager be thinking? Is it to late to run ...

#Putitup (Longford) - Posts: 46 - 18/09/2024 22:32:24    2570641

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Replying To eoinog:  "
Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Not that I'm trying to apportion blame here but the Secretary of the Longford Co. Board is a full time paid position and surely has had oversight (as an ex - officio member of all subcommittees i.e. the Longford CCC) over the entire debacle, from the initial appeal, to the quarter finals being played in direct contravention of rule, to the improper constitution of the CCC to hear the case, and by extension the technicality availed of by Mullinalaghta that resulted in J McGivney playing at the weekend. He is also a very experienced administrator and is held in good standing in the GAA at local level, so how this litany of errors has been allowed to proceed? Has he no say, is he not being deferred to? Or are there a few people on these sub committees going on solo runs with their own clubs interests in mind? While some may say it's entertaining is leading to a very unsatisfactory situation for players and clubs, and would be even worse if something similar was to happen in Leitrim given we have not got the lighting facilities to play games at night.

Given this and the previous headlines in recent years about CCC decisions ( and the seemingly contradictory approaches taken in those situations ) one has to wonder how far the situation is from "bringing the organisation into disrepute" and if not there already. Am open to correction on whether a CCC is constituted for a 5 year period or can it be changed annually at Convention but surely a broad reshuffle can't be ruled out this winter?"
Are you sure the secretary is a paid official.
It's news to me that a smallish county ( like us) would have a paid administrator. We definitely don't have one."
Secretary is full time paid. Too tough otherwise.

Rockshorecider (Longford) - Posts: 53 - 18/09/2024 23:02:30    2570646

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Replying To williesboy:  "A lot of nonsense spoken on here today. Appeal will fail again tonight, previous fixtures will stand and Longford move forward with the semi finals. I'm not too sure what will happen Carrick with the game against Slashers that they didn't turn up for. Hopefully it's put to bed tonight."
I don't think there is a lot of nonsense to be honest. The biggest point being made is that games shouldn't have gone ahead while an appeal was still pending. It makes a mockery of the appeals process if one of the parties to it can just plough on regardless. The fact that they may end up on the right side of the decision is completely irrelevant.

GAALONGFORD (Longford) - Posts: 34 - 19/09/2024 01:59:26    2570652

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Longford GAA CCC won their case in Croke Park.
Just relegate Carrickedmond now and be done with it!!

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1327 - 19/09/2024 08:53:25    2570667

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Replying To Spinx:  "Longford GAA CCC won their case in Croke Park.
Just relegate Carrickedmond now and be done with it!!"
Relegation semi finals scheduled for next Friday night. When will playoff be played.

Also no semi final fixtures up on website yet. Are they waiting until the appeal process is finally complete.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 362 - 19/09/2024 09:15:22    2570670

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Replying To B&G:  "Relegation semi finals scheduled for next Friday night. When will playoff be played.

Also no semi final fixtures up on website yet. Are they waiting until the appeal process is finally complete."
Semi final fixtures are there now. They still have up Winner/Loser of Carrickedmond v Longford Slashers. Carrickedmond conceded the match

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 254 - 19/09/2024 09:45:45    2570677

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Carrickedmond can still go to the DRA can't they? No point in them not exhausting all options now when they've come this far, the horizon can finally nearly be seen, nearly through this mess

Carrickman12 (Longford) - Posts: 15 - 19/09/2024 12:42:43    2570734

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Semi final fixtures are there now. They still have up Winner/Loser of Carrickedmond v Longford Slashers. Carrickedmond conceded the match"
The match was postponed not conceded

Dunnor (Longford) - Posts: 43 - 19/09/2024 13:06:18    2570736

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Replying To B&G:  "Relegation semi finals scheduled for next Friday night. When will playoff be played.

Also no semi final fixtures up on website yet. Are they waiting until the appeal process is finally complete."
Playoff won't be played I don't think. It's been heard tonight by the CCCC. At the end of the day Carrick didn't show up for a championship game and with that should come punishment. They looked to postpone the game first and were told that they had to play and didn't.

So the one little technicality that Carrickedmond had was shot down last night. I do have some sympathy for them but they were never going to win this.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 19/09/2024 13:25:32    2570745

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Replying To Dunnor:  "The match was postponed not conceded"
You are wrong on this.

Carrickedmond looked for it to be postponed but the county board denied it.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 19/09/2024 13:41:40    2570751

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Replying To williesboy:  "You are wrong on this.

Carrickedmond looked for it to be postponed but the county board denied it."
You'd be confident in the fact that title be Slashers v Kenagh, Carrickedmond vMostrim?

Carrickman12 (Longford) - Posts: 15 - 19/09/2024 14:00:28    2570757

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Replying To Carrickman12:  "You'd be confident in the fact that title be Slashers v Kenagh, Carrickedmond vMostrim?"
I stand by what I said as your own club said it in their statement. Give your head a wobble. I'm not sure what way it's going to play out to be honest.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 19/09/2024 14:32:58    2570765

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