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Replying To Square_B:  "Classic whataboutery... referees aren't being assaulted in
every county every day of the week... this happened in YOUR county and the referees in YOUR county have took a stand to what happened. Own it."
This is part of the problem. If you think it is a county specific issue then you are mistaken. Even before the incident during the week there was talk of ref strikes such is the scale of the issue.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 330 - 03/09/2022 21:37:52    2439589

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Replying To Rossie2022:  "If other counties were happy to:
1. Accept representation from a handful of refs who didn't bother consulting with the rest of refs in the county,
And
2. Not be willing to wait for a disciplinary process take place and appropriate sanctions be applied,
And
3. Wait until less than 6 hours before championship games to call them off
…then yeah, I'd agree with that"
1. Most referees were consulted and the referees Committee who were voted in to represent the referees notified the county board that a number of referees were making themselves unavailable for the weekend. The County Board then decided to put out a watery statement saying that games were to be called off but hopes referees would change their minds. CB then went to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their plan. 4 referees then made themselves available for games.

2. Yes due process in last Wednesdays case is needed but as a referee has said on social media that this is not only about last Wednesdays incident, where was the due process last year in Roscommon when a referee was assaulted and the offender got off because the incident wasn't clear on video, or when a team mentor threatened to stick the flag up a linesman arse. That mentors club was written to by our CB and asked to ask him to calm down, that linesman was in his early 20s and only starting out on his career, or the support for the referee who was accused by a person and club(not their first time) that he verbally abused a u13 player and was proven to be completely innocent, not even an apology did he get after been excluded from games for a period of time.

The referees Committee noticed the county board on Thursday evening of their intention and the CB were meant to release a statement later that evening but instead ran to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their minds.

Hope that clears up some of your questions

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2022 09:22:57    2439594

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Replying To reffingmad:  "In the last 2 weeks there have been incidents of referees in 4 counties being assaulted and a further case where a referee was followed from the ground and threatened"
Oh really now? Tell the audience about it we'd like to know.... some verified information woule be helpful... good lad.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 453 - 04/09/2022 10:01:51    2439598

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Replying To reffingmad:  "In the last 2 weeks there have been incidents of referees in 4 counties being assaulted and a further case where a referee was followed from the ground and threatened"
Can you name these incidents.

I can't find anything on them.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 826 - 04/09/2022 10:05:55    2439599

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "This is part of the problem. If you think it is a county specific issue then you are mistaken. Even before the incident during the week there was talk of ref strikes such is the scale of the issue."
I don't think it's a specific county issue but the OP is trying to deflect from the incident. Instead of owning it, all I'm seeing is whatsaboutery. Pathetic really.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 453 - 04/09/2022 10:35:31    2439604

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Replying To Wally:  "Can you name these incidents.

I can't find anything on them."
Referee assaulted in Donegal, Galway, Roscommon and Westmeath after an u13 game. Referee followed from a match in Sligo

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2022 10:42:13    2439607

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Replying To Square_B:  "Oh really now? Tell the audience about it we'd like to know.... some verified information woule be helpful... good lad."
Do some research. The Galway, Donegal and Roscommon ones have made the news, sligo one was on local news and Westmeath one only occurred in last few days, that ok

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2022 10:43:46    2439609

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Replying To Rossie2022:  "If other counties were happy to:
1. Accept representation from a handful of refs who didn't bother consulting with the rest of refs in the county,
And
2. Not be willing to wait for a disciplinary process take place and appropriate sanctions be applied,
And
3. Wait until less than 6 hours before championship games to call them off
…then yeah, I'd agree with that"
1. Nobody including you knows what refs were consulted in Roscommon. If you do, provide us with the details.
2. Strike while the iron is red. No point waiting until a GAA disciplinary process gets up and running which could take ages, and even longer if this becomes a criminal investigation, which would take on average 18 months (and that's justice moving swiftly). Any internal GAA disciplinary process would have to be put on the back burner until the judicial system has dealt with the case.
3. That's the reality of the timing. Tough, but I've no sympathy for Roscommon club football over it. Get you house in order and then you might be allowed play ball.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1395 - 04/09/2022 10:59:00    2439614

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry at some of the posts here .
A man is taken to hospital out cold unconscious.
Yet all I'm seeing here us how dare Refs strike when 3 or 4 of them weren't in favour, Mountbellew players assaulting a Ref is "different", a Laythrum lad using it to vent his usual anti Roscommon spiel, another saying Refs are favouring one team over another......and so on.
I haven't seen or heard of any word at all from Croke Park about it.
Is anybody in charge of anything these days?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 509 - 04/09/2022 11:03:29    2439615

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Replying To reffingmad:  "Do some research. The Galway, Donegal and Roscommon ones have made the news, sligo one was on local news and Westmeath one only occurred in last few days, that ok"
Ah I see I'm to believe that because you said so. Right I see...

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 453 - 04/09/2022 11:51:28    2439620

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Replying To Square_B:  "Ah I see I'm to believe that because you said so. Right I see..."
Lifford were involved in the Donegal game

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 330 - 04/09/2022 13:17:48    2439628

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I don't know whether to laugh or cry at some of the posts here .
A man is taken to hospital out cold unconscious.
Yet all I'm seeing here us how dare Refs strike when 3 or 4 of them weren't in favour, Mountbellew players assaulting a Ref is "different", a Laythrum lad using it to vent his usual anti Roscommon spiel, another saying Refs are favouring one team over another......and so on.
I haven't seen or heard of any word at all from Croke Park about it.
Is anybody in charge of anything these days?"
I call the incidents as different because they were.. 2 mountbellew players made comtact with the ref They were very wrong to do so and there is no defending that. Buy they both pushed him slightly snd there was no physical risk involved to the ref. Big difference to an incident that leads to hospitalisation. Im sorry but ye need to deal with it. You were on last year looking for the book to be thrown at mtbellew..no mention of other incidents in other counties that time. But now thats on yer door ye are throwing dung elsewhere. Deal with yer problem.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 479 - 04/09/2022 13:57:47    2439631

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Replying To reffingmad:  "1. Most referees were consulted and the referees Committee who were voted in to represent the referees notified the county board that a number of referees were making themselves unavailable for the weekend. The County Board then decided to put out a watery statement saying that games were to be called off but hopes referees would change their minds. CB then went to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their plan. 4 referees then made themselves available for games.

2. Yes due process in last Wednesdays case is needed but as a referee has said on social media that this is not only about last Wednesdays incident, where was the due process last year in Roscommon when a referee was assaulted and the offender got off because the incident wasn't clear on video, or when a team mentor threatened to stick the flag up a linesman arse. That mentors club was written to by our CB and asked to ask him to calm down, that linesman was in his early 20s and only starting out on his career, or the support for the referee who was accused by a person and club(not their first time) that he verbally abused a u13 player and was proven to be completely innocent, not even an apology did he get after been excluded from games for a period of time.

The referees Committee noticed the county board on Thursday evening of their intention and the CB were meant to release a statement later that evening but instead ran to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their minds.

Hope that clears up some of your questions"
Not really as there are a lot of inaccuracies in your response.

The vast majority of refs were NOT consulted on it. This is a fact. Even the poor ref involved last Wednesday wasn't consulted.

The appeals process is significantly flawed, there is no doubt, but the case last year you refer to when a player "got off" was the correct decision, as hard as that is for some to swallow. The video evidence clearly showed that it couldn't have been the player cited as he was not within touching distance of the ref. I was told this by a person who was in the room at the hearing.

Rossie2022 (Roscommon) - Posts: 16 - 04/09/2022 14:42:55    2439638

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Replying To Rossie2022:  "Not really as there are a lot of inaccuracies in your response.

The vast majority of refs were NOT consulted on it. This is a fact. Even the poor ref involved last Wednesday wasn't consulted.

The appeals process is significantly flawed, there is no doubt, but the case last year you refer to when a player "got off" was the correct decision, as hard as that is for some to swallow. The video evidence clearly showed that it couldn't have been the player cited as he was not within touching distance of the ref. I was told this by a person who was in the room at the hearing."
You were told that by a person in the room?
2 points on that.
1 it's against rules for anyone to speak about it.
2 the only people in the room were members of the appeals committee, player involved(his 3rd appearance that year and his representative who also shouldn't have been there as he's a CCC member.
The referee was 100% clear that the county player he reported was the culbrit. The same offender was carded a week week later and told the ref he's wasting his time because he will get off anyhow.
Them are the facts.

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2022 15:59:37    2439642

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I call the incidents as different because they were.. 2 mountbellew players made comtact with the ref They were very wrong to do so and there is no defending that. Buy they both pushed him slightly snd there was no physical risk involved to the ref. Big difference to an incident that leads to hospitalisation. Im sorry but ye need to deal with it. You were on last year looking for the book to be thrown at mtbellew..no mention of other incidents in other counties that time. But now thats on yer door ye are throwing dung elsewhere. Deal with yer problem."
The book needs to be thrown at this fella as well. I don't get the ye need to deal with. Every Roscommon poster has said the same thing. There was no one saying it shouldn't be severely dealt with. This is a nationwide problem though. The point about the Mountbellew game is that the same could have easily happened there had the ref stumbled back when pushed.

I've seen posts on this forum relating to other issues where there has been excuses for people being irate at refs for bad decisions. All of sudden Roscommon needs to own this, whatever that means.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 330 - 04/09/2022 16:03:26    2439643

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Replying To Rossie2022:  "Not really as there are a lot of inaccuracies in your response.

The vast majority of refs were NOT consulted on it. This is a fact. Even the poor ref involved last Wednesday wasn't consulted.

The appeals process is significantly flawed, there is no doubt, but the case last year you refer to when a player "got off" was the correct decision, as hard as that is for some to swallow. The video evidence clearly showed that it couldn't have been the player cited as he was not within touching distance of the ref. I was told this by a person who was in the room at the hearing."
And may I add, Roscommon appeals committee stated in a meeting with referees that the video was inconclusive and that's why he got off, giving no respect to the referees report

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2022 16:32:10    2439646

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I call the incidents as different because they were.. 2 mountbellew players made comtact with the ref They were very wrong to do so and there is no defending that. Buy they both pushed him slightly snd there was no physical risk involved to the ref. Big difference to an incident that leads to hospitalisation. Im sorry but ye need to deal with it. You were on last year looking for the book to be thrown at mtbellew..no mention of other incidents in other counties that time. But now thats on yer door ye are throwing dung elsewhere. Deal with yer problem."
Both incidents was pushes and nobody knows where a push leads. I lost a friend in New York a few years ago when outside a nightclub he was pushed when off balance and he fell hitting his head off the curb.

No hands should be placed on officials this needs to dealed with and cut out for good. Out of interest did the Mountbellew players miss any Galway championship match this year?

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2948 - 04/09/2022 16:59:33    2439647

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Both incidents was pushes and nobody knows where a push leads. I lost a friend in New York a few years ago when outside a nightclub he was pushed when off balance and he fell hitting his head off the curb.

No hands should be placed on officials this needs to dealed with and cut out for good. Out of interest did the Mountbellew players miss any Galway championship match this year?"
Well if they were both pushes ( and I would be delighted to hear that the second incident was only a push...I honestly would) they were obviously pushes with a horsey of a different colour in terms of magnitude . No Mountbellew player missed any championship match this year as a result , and I fully agree that this is WRONG. But that incident was dealt with extensively on Hogan Stand .. I'm just looking for perspective and consistency on this Forum and I dont see it from 1 or 2 Roscommon posters.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 479 - 04/09/2022 18:04:57    2439654

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Replying To reffingmad:  "1. Most referees were consulted and the referees Committee who were voted in to represent the referees notified the county board that a number of referees were making themselves unavailable for the weekend. The County Board then decided to put out a watery statement saying that games were to be called off but hopes referees would change their minds. CB then went to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their plan. 4 referees then made themselves available for games.

2. Yes due process in last Wednesdays case is needed but as a referee has said on social media that this is not only about last Wednesdays incident, where was the due process last year in Roscommon when a referee was assaulted and the offender got off because the incident wasn't clear on video, or when a team mentor threatened to stick the flag up a linesman arse. That mentors club was written to by our CB and asked to ask him to calm down, that linesman was in his early 20s and only starting out on his career, or the support for the referee who was accused by a person and club(not their first time) that he verbally abused a u13 player and was proven to be completely innocent, not even an apology did he get after been excluded from games for a period of time.

The referees Committee noticed the county board on Thursday evening of their intention and the CB were meant to release a statement later that evening but instead ran to Croke Park to try intimidate the referees to change their minds.

Hope that clears up some of your questions"
Well said. Excellent reply. Really getting sick of the whataboutery from some regarding this

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 18315 - 04/09/2022 19:14:37    2439660

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Replying To reffingmad:  "You were told that by a person in the room?
2 points on that.
1 it's against rules for anyone to speak about it.
2 the only people in the room were members of the appeals committee, player involved(his 3rd appearance that year and his representative who also shouldn't have been there as he's a CCC member.
The referee was 100% clear that the county player he reported was the culbrit. The same offender was carded a week week later and told the ref he's wasting his time because he will get off anyhow.
Them are the facts."
I read your point 1 and then decided the rest of what you said must be nonsense.
Please quote the rule that states its against the rules for an member of an Appeals Committee to speak out. Good luck with the search

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 321 - 04/09/2022 20:41:14    2439677

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