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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Any update on the management team all gone very quiet?

Hopefully resolved before the quarter final"
That Thursday rumour didn't come to fruition anyway.
Seems discussions with interested parties are ongoing.
At this rate ourselves, Monaghan and Donegal will have to appoint a joint manager!!!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 509 - 09/09/2022 17:53:39    2440163

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "That Thursday rumour didn't come to fruition anyway.
Seems discussions with interested parties are ongoing.
At this rate ourselves, Monaghan and Donegal will have to appoint a joint manager!!!"
It's mad that 3 teams in division 1 are all struggling to find a manager.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 893 - 09/09/2022 19:51:39    2440171

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Replying To dave1988:  "It's mad that 3 teams in division 1 are all struggling to find a manager."
There's so much time and commitment involved. It's nearly a full time job. Kevin McStay is retired as was Brian Cody for the last few years. I think Jack O'Connor is also retired so those guys have more time for it. The travel some Managers have to do is unbelievable. Take Henry Shefflin. He works. He has a young Family and he's driving from Ballyhale in South Kilkenny to Galway a few times a week. Tough going. Not sure how he does it. For the Roscommon job, I would favour a good internal candidate if there is one. Nearly all successful gaa Managers have been managing their native county.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1831 - 10/09/2022 09:40:38    2440189

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It was very interesting to see the comments of the Donegal county board about some candidates they pproqched ruled themselves out due to the online abuse etc. Crazy to think that is the case. Tbf to this forum it is well policed in terms of abuse control while not totally removing good debate and opinions.

Rumour of Kevin Walsh on Don Connellans back room team and if that was the case I'd have no issue with same. However its interesting to hear the reaction of more positive to Pat Flanagan even though both play a similar type of football and I daresay Pat Flanagan not as defensive and arguably more successful with Wetmeath and Pearses. Perception is everything.

U20 interviews take place next week with a number of candidates Noel Dunning former senior selector last year, Liam Tully previous u20 manager, Enda Nugent former minor manager to name but a few. Other names mentioned Emmett Durney Clan and very interesting one from North of the county ex county footballer Finatn Cregg.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 10/09/2022 11:16:50    2440202

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Replying To endgame:  "There's so much time and commitment involved. It's nearly a full time job. Kevin McStay is retired as was Brian Cody for the last few years. I think Jack O'Connor is also retired so those guys have more time for it. The travel some Managers have to do is unbelievable. Take Henry Shefflin. He works. He has a young Family and he's driving from Ballyhale in South Kilkenny to Galway a few times a week. Tough going. Not sure how he does it. For the Roscommon job, I would favour a good internal candidate if there is one. Nearly all successful gaa Managers have been managing their native county."
Exactly, it's a thankless task unless you're winning All Irelands truth be told. Even looking at Oisin McConville taking the Wicklow job you'd have to wonder about the commute that will involve for him to at best win a division 4 title. I wonder also if the new championship structure next year makes teams like Roscommon, Monaghan and Donegal less attractive now? They are counties who will always challenge for provincials but not all irelands. Next years structure basically renders the provincials meaningless if we're being honest and staying in division 1 will be a far more important goal than winning Connacht for Roscommon.

On the other hand though if it is just between Connellan and Flanagan which it appears to be I don't see why an appointment shouldn't have been made by now. Maybe it's just a case of the preferred candidate getting their backroom team together before being proposed.

Primrose_and_blue (Roscommon) - Posts: 41 - 10/09/2022 11:42:58    2440207

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "It was very interesting to see the comments of the Donegal county board about some candidates they pproqched ruled themselves out due to the online abuse etc. Crazy to think that is the case. Tbf to this forum it is well policed in terms of abuse control while not totally removing good debate and opinions.

Rumour of Kevin Walsh on Don Connellans back room team and if that was the case I'd have no issue with same. However its interesting to hear the reaction of more positive to Pat Flanagan even though both play a similar type of football and I daresay Pat Flanagan not as defensive and arguably more successful with Wetmeath and Pearses. Perception is everything.

U20 interviews take place next week with a number of candidates Noel Dunning former senior selector last year, Liam Tully previous u20 manager, Enda Nugent former minor manager to name but a few. Other names mentioned Emmett Durney Clan and very interesting one from North of the county ex county footballer Finatn Cregg."
Is that Fintan Cregg Elphin. He's not long out of senior Inter county colours. I'm surprised you say Liam Tully is going for the U20 job. He's the outgoing Manager who's term has just finished. Emmet Durney of course recently managed the Minors to a Connacht title,

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1831 - 10/09/2022 13:49:58    2440223

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I wouldn't mind either Durney or Nugent getting the u20.
As for Senior who knows who's actually in the running but Don Conbelkan seems to be the most mentioned in the rumour machine!
Any word of a Minor manager?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 509 - 10/09/2022 14:22:01    2440230

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "It was very interesting to see the comments of the Donegal county board about some candidates they pproqched ruled themselves out due to the online abuse etc. Crazy to think that is the case. Tbf to this forum it is well policed in terms of abuse control while not totally removing good debate and opinions.

Rumour of Kevin Walsh on Don Connellans back room team and if that was the case I'd have no issue with same. However its interesting to hear the reaction of more positive to Pat Flanagan even though both play a similar type of football and I daresay Pat Flanagan not as defensive and arguably more successful with Wetmeath and Pearses. Perception is everything.

U20 interviews take place next week with a number of candidates Noel Dunning former senior selector last year, Liam Tully previous u20 manager, Enda Nugent former minor manager to name but a few. Other names mentioned Emmett Durney Clan and very interesting one from North of the county ex county footballer Finatn Cregg."
Are you suggesting Pat Flanagan was more successful with Westmeath than Kevin Walsh was with Galway?

Flanagan with Westmeath only won two championship games with against Louth and Carlow and they got rid of him before they played in Div 1 which i think was fairly telling.

Kevin Walsh took over a middle of the road Div 2 Galway team, within a few years they were playing in All-Ireland semi final for the first time 17 years and Division 1 final.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 735 - 10/09/2022 14:47:54    2440233

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Yes Fintan Cregg ex county player. Hasn't featured for county for a couple of years and has been dogged by injuries for his club recently. Think he was involved with his own club u20/21s for a few years. Whether he be a front man or part of a backroom team remains to be seen if any truth in the ever circulating rumours.

In relation to Flanagan v Walsh I'd rate Westmeath getting to Div 1 was equal if not greater than Gakway getting to a Div 1 league final given the playing and population resources of Galway. Granted he got them to an AI semi getting well bet in end after a promising first half v Dublin. Following year 2019 they lost to ourselves in CF before losing to Mayo in qualifiers.

No matter who is in charge there will have to be a change in mindset in how we play. The day of county teams playing 6 out and out forwards is gone unless you are similar to Armagh who have 6 man marking backs plus a solid midfield. A target man inside will have to be identified. Could that be Enda Smith because his previous 3 years performances would suggest he isn't an automatic startedr like he was. Ciaran Lennon surely has to come back into squad. A full back plus a new centre back possibly is also required amd relase Brian Stsck higher up pitch. Midfield probably not the finished article by a long stretch and I believe Ultan Harney picked up a serious injury in Clans last match.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 12/09/2022 18:49:46    2440458

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Yes Fintan Cregg ex county player. Hasn't featured for county for a couple of years and has been dogged by injuries for his club recently. Think he was involved with his own club u20/21s for a few years. Whether he be a front man or part of a backroom team remains to be seen if any truth in the ever circulating rumours.

In relation to Flanagan v Walsh I'd rate Westmeath getting to Div 1 was equal if not greater than Gakway getting to a Div 1 league final given the playing and population resources of Galway. Granted he got them to an AI semi getting well bet in end after a promising first half v Dublin. Following year 2019 they lost to ourselves in CF before losing to Mayo in qualifiers.

No matter who is in charge there will have to be a change in mindset in how we play. The day of county teams playing 6 out and out forwards is gone unless you are similar to Armagh who have 6 man marking backs plus a solid midfield. A target man inside will have to be identified. Could that be Enda Smith because his previous 3 years performances would suggest he isn't an automatic startedr like he was. Ciaran Lennon surely has to come back into squad. A full back plus a new centre back possibly is also required amd relase Brian Stsck higher up pitch. Midfield probably not the finished article by a long stretch and I believe Ultan Harney picked up a serious injury in Clans last match."
I absolutely agree we need a full back and centre back but who is out there that's available? It seems like the few best natural backs we have are not available. On the point about Armagh, are they just lucky with the type of player coming through or is there a reason why Armagh, Derry and Mayo can almost field 6 defenders who can man mark really well? In Mayo's case it seems to have been coached even as late in the day as senior level.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 330 - 13/09/2022 09:51:35    2440480

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News coming out of the county board is that they have no canditate bar Pat Flanagan with Don Connellan ruling himself out. A number of personnel were contact with all turning down the opportunity. Panic time by the looks of it. Have sympathy for the county board not an easy job at all to try and fill. Home we have white smoke rising from the hyde soon.

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 738 - 13/09/2022 10:51:05    2440491

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "News coming out of the county board is that they have no canditate bar Pat Flanagan with Don Connellan ruling himself out. A number of personnel were contact with all turning down the opportunity. Panic time by the looks of it. Have sympathy for the county board not an easy job at all to try and fill. Home we have white smoke rising from the hyde soon."
Worrying news. Will be a few drop outs from the panel i would imagine

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1026 - 13/09/2022 11:16:54    2440497

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "News coming out of the county board is that they have no canditate bar Pat Flanagan with Don Connellan ruling himself out. A number of personnel were contact with all turning down the opportunity. Panic time by the looks of it. Have sympathy for the county board not an easy job at all to try and fill. Home we have white smoke rising from the hyde soon."
Same as in Donegal, nobody wants to touch the job!

On a more serious note, sad to hear that Harney is injured again; Roscommon's best footballer by a country Mike this year. He tore into Galway with heart and hand, probably to only player who did.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1395 - 13/09/2022 11:40:47    2440503

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "News coming out of the county board is that they have no canditate bar Pat Flanagan with Don Connellan ruling himself out. A number of personnel were contact with all turning down the opportunity. Panic time by the looks of it. Have sympathy for the county board not an easy job at all to try and fill. Home we have white smoke rising from the hyde soon."
None of the "names" want to take on Ros, Monaghan or Donegal as they think teams in decline so wilk end in failure,abuse etc.
Much easier to take on Wicklow where there are little expectations and if you get to D3 or maybe win Tailteann you're a hero .
Looks like we're back to 2012 when Evans was appointed as no one else interested.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 509 - 13/09/2022 12:19:51    2440513

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I heard Don Connellan ruled himself out but the county board went back to him to try and persuade him. If this has failed then it is a sad state of affairs. Seems to be a nightmare time looking for a manager and as already said probably easier for div 3 and 4 teams who have scope for more instant progress.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 330 - 13/09/2022 13:28:10    2440521

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "None of the "names" want to take on Ros, Monaghan or Donegal as they think teams in decline so wilk end in failure,abuse etc.
Much easier to take on Wicklow where there are little expectations and if you get to D3 or maybe win Tailteann you're a hero .
Looks like we're back to 2012 when Evans was appointed as no one else interested."
And when the appointment is done and it all ends in fiasco next year, the pertinent question will be, "Why didn't they ask Evans?"

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1395 - 13/09/2022 13:56:07    2440528

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The day of county teams playing 6 out and out forwards is gone unless you are similar to Armagh who have 6 man marking backs plus a solid midfield. A target man inside will have to be identified.

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That day is long gone for every team. When out of possession every team drop numbers back into defence. Man marking with Armagh is ropey at times and their midfield needs Rian O'Neill to drop back to help out. Armagh are one of those teams that aren't going to progress past the All-Ireland quarter finals until they improve defensively.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2948 - 13/09/2022 16:03:06    2440560

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Yes Fintan Cregg ex county player. Hasn't featured for county for a couple of years and has been dogged by injuries for his club recently. Think he was involved with his own club u20/21s for a few years. Whether he be a front man or part of a backroom team remains to be seen if any truth in the ever circulating rumours.

In relation to Flanagan v Walsh I'd rate Westmeath getting to Div 1 was equal if not greater than Gakway getting to a Div 1 league final given the playing and population resources of Galway. Granted he got them to an AI semi getting well bet in end after a promising first half v Dublin. Following year 2019 they lost to ourselves in CF before losing to Mayo in qualifiers.

No matter who is in charge there will have to be a change in mindset in how we play. The day of county teams playing 6 out and out forwards is gone unless you are similar to Armagh who have 6 man marking backs plus a solid midfield. A target man inside will have to be identified. Could that be Enda Smith because his previous 3 years performances would suggest he isn't an automatic startedr like he was. Ciaran Lennon surely has to come back into squad. A full back plus a new centre back possibly is also required amd relase Brian Stsck higher up pitch. Midfield probably not the finished article by a long stretch and I believe Ultan Harney picked up a serious injury in Clans last match."
You'll likely be alone in that rating. If Roscommon was looking for a manager with a decent track record in league football they may as well have kept or asked Cunningham back.

Championship is where managers gets judged and its mostly why Roscommon are on the manager search again and you seriously think Pat Flanagan who had a dreadful championship record with Sligo, Offaly and Westmeath would be a good fit?

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 735 - 13/09/2022 17:18:24    2440575

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Replying To Yondu:  "You'll likely be alone in that rating. If Roscommon was looking for a manager with a decent track record in league football they may as well have kept or asked Cunningham back.

Championship is where managers gets judged and its mostly why Roscommon are on the manager search again and you seriously think Pat Flanagan who had a dreadful championship record with Sligo, Offaly and Westmeath would be a good fit?"
At the moment he is the only fit unfortunately irrespective of his champuinship record but would any manager have done any better with those teams at the time. Tony McEntee very good manager with Crossmaglen and excellent coach in mayo is hardly tearing it up with them since.

Roscommon are too much of a yo-yo team for any leading contender to take it but also the lack of facilities must be a major factor.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 13/09/2022 21:50:07    2440593

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I think we are in an awful position right now. No one wants the job only Flanagan. Club championship will be over before we get this sorted. We have no training facilities and that has to be a major factor for anyone thinking about taking this job. Flanagan will probably get it now and the question is will he stick with a backroom team he's had over the years or try something new. I get the impression he will stick with people he's worked with before.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 893 - 14/09/2022 10:45:02    2440611

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