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To be fair to the kerryman who stated same he said it is very similar to 2016 with our start to league and our fitness levels compared to other teams at early stage. We looked dead in our feet last Sunday. As i said we have 6 pts and delighted to have them and I for one did t expect us to win three games. I thought we'd have a chance v Galway amd maybe Donegal at home.
If anyone thinks we should have got something out of Sunday they're raving. Could we have nicked a draw at end indeed we could. Monaghan put 6 balls into keepers hands and the one he punched out resulted in a point. The sun that end seemed to be an issue.
The problem for us we have no focal point at 11 to kick the ball out of defence for a quick attack as we are funnelling bodies back. That is fine and it has contributed to us getting 6 pts to keep us up. Thay said we need a Plan B and there is none currently and faster ball and group conditions will see us wanting. I would put Enda Smith at 11 this Sunday on Loftus who is not a natural centre back and will leave gaps.
The chances of getting relegated on 6 is extremely slim as the teams in bottom 4 have to play each other. For example Galway have to play Armagh and Monaghan yet along with Kerry. Monaghan have to play Tyrone, Galway and Mayo. Tyrone have Kerry, Armagh and Monaghan. Donegal have Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon. Armagh have Tyrone, Donegal and Galway.
Talk Cian McKeon could be back on panel this week. I would like to see Colin Walsh start as well amd I would also like to see Daire Cregg start as well.
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "To be fair to the kerryman who stated same he said it is very similar to 2016 with our start to league and our fitness levels compared to other teams at early stage. We looked dead in our feet last Sunday. As i said we have 6 pts and delighted to have them and I for one did t expect us to win three games. I thought we'd have a chance v Galway amd maybe Donegal at home.
If anyone thinks we should have got something out of Sunday they're raving. Could we have nicked a draw at end indeed we could. Monaghan put 6 balls into keepers hands and the one he punched out resulted in a point. The sun that end seemed to be an issue.
The problem for us we have no focal point at 11 to kick the ball out of defence for a quick attack as we are funnelling bodies back. That is fine and it has contributed to us getting 6 pts to keep us up. Thay said we need a Plan B and there is none currently and faster ball and group conditions will see us wanting. I would put Enda Smith at 11 this Sunday on Loftus who is not a natural centre back and will leave gaps.
The chances of getting relegated on 6 is extremely slim as the teams in bottom 4 have to play each other. For example Galway have to play Armagh and Monaghan yet along with Kerry. Monaghan have to play Tyrone, Galway and Mayo. Tyrone have Kerry, Armagh and Monaghan. Donegal have Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon. Armagh have Tyrone, Donegal and Galway.
Talk Cian McKeon could be back on panel this week. I would like to see Colin Walsh start as well amd I would also like to see Daire Cregg start as well." Colin Walsh playing so little is a bit mysterious alright. Perhaps he's been held back until fully ready. Davy Burke's been raving about him since the first Off the Ball interview he gave as Roscommon manager, and he knows him inside out from Maynooth. Cian McKeon direct line attack style is badly needed, will be great to see him back. In general we need more dynamic ways of playing. Our game plan for the first three games was decoded last week by Monaghan and so something new and fresh going forward is badly needed. The main aim this week has to be to get the positive energy levels and mindset back and get a good performance regardless of outcome.
SpanishRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 19 - 01/03/2023 09:49:30
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "To be fair to the kerryman who stated same he said it is very similar to 2016 with our start to league and our fitness levels compared to other teams at early stage. We looked dead in our feet last Sunday. As i said we have 6 pts and delighted to have them and I for one did t expect us to win three games. I thought we'd have a chance v Galway amd maybe Donegal at home.
If anyone thinks we should have got something out of Sunday they're raving. Could we have nicked a draw at end indeed we could. Monaghan put 6 balls into keepers hands and the one he punched out resulted in a point. The sun that end seemed to be an issue.
The problem for us we have no focal point at 11 to kick the ball out of defence for a quick attack as we are funnelling bodies back. That is fine and it has contributed to us getting 6 pts to keep us up. Thay said we need a Plan B and there is none currently and faster ball and group conditions will see us wanting. I would put Enda Smith at 11 this Sunday on Loftus who is not a natural centre back and will leave gaps.
The chances of getting relegated on 6 is extremely slim as the teams in bottom 4 have to play each other. For example Galway have to play Armagh and Monaghan yet along with Kerry. Monaghan have to play Tyrone, Galway and Mayo. Tyrone have Kerry, Armagh and Monaghan. Donegal have Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon. Armagh have Tyrone, Donegal and Galway.
Talk Cian McKeon could be back on panel this week. I would like to see Colin Walsh start as well amd I would also like to see Daire Cregg start as well." Galway are not in the bottom 4
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "To be fair to the kerryman who stated same he said it is very similar to 2016 with our start to league and our fitness levels compared to other teams at early stage. We looked dead in our feet last Sunday. As i said we have 6 pts and delighted to have them and I for one did t expect us to win three games. I thought we'd have a chance v Galway amd maybe Donegal at home.
If anyone thinks we should have got something out of Sunday they're raving. Could we have nicked a draw at end indeed we could. Monaghan put 6 balls into keepers hands and the one he punched out resulted in a point. The sun that end seemed to be an issue.
The problem for us we have no focal point at 11 to kick the ball out of defence for a quick attack as we are funnelling bodies back. That is fine and it has contributed to us getting 6 pts to keep us up. Thay said we need a Plan B and there is none currently and faster ball and group conditions will see us wanting. I would put Enda Smith at 11 this Sunday on Loftus who is not a natural centre back and will leave gaps.
The chances of getting relegated on 6 is extremely slim as the teams in bottom 4 have to play each other. For example Galway have to play Armagh and Monaghan yet along with Kerry. Monaghan have to play Tyrone, Galway and Mayo. Tyrone have Kerry, Armagh and Monaghan. Donegal have Armagh, Mayo and Roscommon. Armagh have Tyrone, Donegal and Galway.
Talk Cian McKeon could be back on panel this week. I would like to see Colin Walsh start as well amd I would also like to see Daire Cregg start as well." Actually your fixtures only made me realise that the chances of a team relegated on 6 is definitely not slim
For example.
Galway beat Monaghan
Monaghan beat Tyrone
Donegal beat Roscommon and Armagh
Armagh beat Tyrone and Galway
Kerry beat Galway
Thats one of the permutations that would see relegation on 6 points.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 01/03/2023 13:23:02
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Replying To SpanishRossie: "Colin Walsh playing so little is a bit mysterious alright. Perhaps he's been held back until fully ready. Davy Burke's been raving about him since the first Off the Ball interview he gave as Roscommon manager, and he knows him inside out from Maynooth. Cian McKeon direct line attack style is badly needed, will be great to see him back. In general we need more dynamic ways of playing. Our game plan for the first three games was decoded last week by Monaghan and so something new and fresh going forward is badly needed. The main aim this week has to be to get the positive energy levels and mindset back and get a good performance regardless of outcome." I thought it was strange he didn't come on at some point on Sunday considering a number of our backs looked fatigued by the end. I couldn't understand why against Armagh in the first half and again against Monaghan that we don't move the ball quicker with good kick passing when we turn over the opposition. We seemed to do that better in the second half against Armagh. Against Monaghan when we did turn them over in our half there was this labourious slow counter and it allowed Monaghan plenty of time to reset. I see Davy was not happy in the interview he gave to the Herald. He mentioned how we reverted to type and it was exactly that slow ponderous stuff we've seen Roscommon teams do far too much in the recent past. I suppose the positive even after a defeat is that we are not conceding much and they just need to find a better way to unlock teams when they are faced with that blanket themselves.
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Last Sunday we kicked 8 wides another 6 shots into Beggan hands and one off the post from Diarmuid Murtagh that would have levelled the game at half time 6-6 but Monaghan from the next attack went straight down the field to make it 7-5 at the break.
Our goal chance at 8-6 (Ben O'Carroll probably could have gone for goal himself) Monaghan scored two points within a minute after the miss. Ben probably should have been awarded a penalty 5 minutes later but was too honest by staying on his feet. Add in the two blacks whereby we were 15 minutes of the match with 14 men and then a number of scores we gave up that came directly from our unforced errors and yet all the above and we still only lost by 1 score.
On the relegation situation. Should every team win their home games and we lose our remaining 3 it will leave 4 teams on 6 points and two will fall through the trap drop on scoring difference. So if we are to lose all three games it's important like last Sunday its narrow defeats (currently +66 on the scoring difference
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3744 - 01/03/2023 13:48:00
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Replying To anotheralias: "Actually your fixtures only made me realise that the chances of a team relegated on 6 is definitely not slim
For example.
Galway beat Monaghan
Monaghan beat Tyrone
Donegal beat Roscommon and Armagh
Armagh beat Tyrone and Galway
Kerry beat Galway
Thats one of the permutations that would see relegation on 6 points." More than 6 points will be needed to stay up this year by the looks of things.
Ros v Donegal on the last day could be in effect a Relegation play off.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1404 - 01/03/2023 14:05:07
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Replying To anotheralias: "Actually your fixtures only made me realise that the chances of a team relegated on 6 is definitely not slim
For example.
Galway beat Monaghan
Monaghan beat Tyrone
Donegal beat Roscommon and Armagh
Armagh beat Tyrone and Galway
Kerry beat Galway
Thats one of the permutations that would see relegation on 6 points." It's clear SmokieRoss hasn't focused on the table and remaining fixtures fully to see there is a strong possibility that a team will be relegated on 6 points.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 01/03/2023 14:31:56
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "What did we learn yesterday?
21 year olds are no match physically for tough oul Monaghan dogs (no disrespect...it's meant as a complement).?
Some of our senior players gone past sell by dates in terms of appetite and intensity?
Slow sideways handpassing will win nothing -a lesson not learnt in 4 seasons.
Let's hope for a more intense performance against the Mayos next Sunday or we could get an awful batin!" There was never going to be anything easy about Monaghan in Clones. They have a very good record there. Who are the senior players you think are past their sell by date in terms of appetite and intensity. I think Conor Cox is nothing like the player he was for us in 2019 when we won Connacht but I'm not sure who else you are talking about.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2156 - 01/03/2023 16:46:27
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Replying To endgame: "There was never going to be anything easy about Monaghan in Clones. They have a very good record there. Who are the senior players you think are past their sell by date in terms of appetite and intensity. I think Conor Cox is nothing like the player he was for us in 2019 when we won Connacht but I'm not sure who else you are talking about." I could not watch the Monaghan game but was at the previous 3 and delighted with the results but have to agree here. We have to mix it up. I get about Davy wants us hard to break down but this slow lateral passing will not work at championship time. We need lads up front. Is it really necessary to have E smith and d Murtagh doing the hard work all the time. D Murtagh was taken off against Armagh as the manager said because he emptied the tank. Coming championship when we need scores this wouldn't work. Also D smith may have moved down the pecking order
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Replying To endgame: "There was never going to be anything easy about Monaghan in Clones. They have a very good record there. Who are the senior players you think are past their sell by date in terms of appetite and intensity. I think Conor Cox is nothing like the player he was for us in 2019 when we won Connacht but I'm not sure who else you are talking about." I asked the question rather than making a statement..
Smiths and Murtaghs have a lot of mileage on the clocks.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1404 - 01/03/2023 19:18:37
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Disappointed with the content and tone of some recent posts. Some people really have negative mindsets and tend to see and concentrate on the negative aspects rather than focusing on the positive aspects.
The "glass is half full" lads rather that half empty.
* We have won three out of four games and have 6 points.
* We have a +6 scoring average.
* We have integrated several young players into the team.
* We have a good mix of youth and experience.
* We have played well given that we are missing several players who played very well last year. (U. Harney. C. McKeon, E. Nolan etc).
* Our defence has improved dramatically and we are now hard to beat if we play well.
I expect the team to up their game from last week and to give a good account of themselves against Mayo and I wish them well, win, lose or draw. These guys (young & old) are putting everything into Roscommon football and deserve our support.
PS: We certainly don't want to become like the Galway forum where many posters know everything, want to become selectors and manage the team!!!!
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 495 - 02/03/2023 15:11:29
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Disappointed with the content and tone of some recent posts. Some people really have negative mindsets and tend to see and concentrate on the negative aspects rather than focusing on the positive aspects.
The "glass is half full" lads rather that half empty.
* We have won three out of four games and have 6 points.
* We have a +6 scoring average.
* We have integrated several young players into the team.
* We have a good mix of youth and experience.
* We have played well given that we are missing several players who played very well last year. (U. Harney. C. McKeon, E. Nolan etc).
* Our defence has improved dramatically and we are now hard to beat if we play well.
I expect the team to up their game from last week and to give a good account of themselves against Mayo and I wish them well, win, lose or draw. These guys (young & old) are putting everything into Roscommon football and deserve our support.
PS: We certainly don't want to become like the Galway forum where many posters know everything, want to become selectors and manage the team!!!!" You are absolutely correct and right I agree 100% they are doing brilliant in Division 1 and deserve nothing only support
Stonemadrossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 41 - 02/03/2023 18:46:28
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Disappointed with the content and tone of some recent posts. Some people really have negative mindsets and tend to see and concentrate on the negative aspects rather than focusing on the positive aspects.
The "glass is half full" lads rather that half empty.
* We have won three out of four games and have 6 points.
* We have a +6 scoring average.
* We have integrated several young players into the team.
* We have a good mix of youth and experience.
* We have played well given that we are missing several players who played very well last year. (U. Harney. C. McKeon, E. Nolan etc).
* Our defence has improved dramatically and we are now hard to beat if we play well.
I expect the team to up their game from last week and to give a good account of themselves against Mayo and I wish them well, win, lose or draw. These guys (young & old) are putting everything into Roscommon football and deserve our support.
PS: We certainly don't want to become like the Galway forum where many posters know everything, want to become selectors and manage the team!!!!" I'm very happy with 6 out of 8 points and I really don't think anyone could say they aren't. I am worried that we have that bad performance in us like last Sunday. I don't mind getting beat but it's just worrying when 12/13 players have such poor games on the same day. Davy burke said that after the game and said it's the sports psychologist in camp will have to figure that out why these lads have that in them. We have seen it plenty of times over the years so it needs to be sorted out. This Sunday will tell us more. If we play to our ability we can win but if we don't step it up big time from last Sunday we will be hammered out the gate.
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1047 - 03/03/2023 08:44:30
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Replying To dave1988: "I'm very happy with 6 out of 8 points and I really don't think anyone could say they aren't. I am worried that we have that bad performance in us like last Sunday. I don't mind getting beat but it's just worrying when 12/13 players have such poor games on the same day. Davy burke said that after the game and said it's the sports psychologist in camp will have to figure that out why these lads have that in them. We have seen it plenty of times over the years so it needs to be sorted out. This Sunday will tell us more. If we play to our ability we can win but if we don't step it up big time from last Sunday we will be hammered out the gate." Can't see a hammering it'll be close 1 way or the other.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 03/03/2023 10:47:41
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4,000 tickets sold up to yesterday.
Add in Mayos 3,000+ season ticket holders, people still to buy and free u16s....
We'll have at least 12,500 in the Hyde.
If teams are as good/bad as their last game we needn't bother turning up at all. Hopefully we got rid of a lot of dirty diesel and also won't give Mayo the goal chances Tyrone did.
I wonder will we see any radical surgery in team selection?
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: "Can't see a hammering it'll be close 1 way or the other." Depends if and how many goals are conceded. Kerry lost by 7 and Tyrone 10 to Mayo and mainly because they conceded 6 goals between them.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 03/03/2023 14:57:46
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Depends if and how many goals are conceded. Kerry lost by 7 and Tyrone 10 to Mayo and mainly because they conceded 6 goals between them." Nothing much to be read in to early League form. Remember Roscommon in 2016 under the management of the dream team of McStay and O'Donnell storming our way to a League semi final in Croke park. Our old foes Clare dumped us out of the championship a few months later. Dublin and Kerry are showing no form at present but they'll be there or thereabouts in the Summer.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2156 - 03/03/2023 17:13:05
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Conor Carroll (Oranmore/Maree)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Richard Hughes (Roscommon Gaels)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Ben O'Carroll (St Brigids)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Subs Colm Lavin (Eire Og) Donie Smith (Boyle) Colin Walsh (Oran) Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's) Daire Cregg (Boyle) Conor Cox (Eire Og) Ruaidhri Fallon (St Brigids) Niall Kilroy (Fuerty) Paul Carey (Padraig Pearses) Cian Glennon (St Faithleachs) Fergal Lennon (Clann na NGael)
No Robbie Dolan on the team or even the 26. One of best and most consistent performers in the 4 league games. Be interesting to see who plays where as a few named in those positioning spots are unlikely to play there.
As of now I'd gladly take a draw from this game to secure our Div 1 status for next year. The very best of luck to Roscommon on Sunday.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3744 - 03/03/2023 20:53:08
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