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Replying To letsgetgoing: "With 8 group stage matches (16 teams) to take place in neutral venues in a few weeks time, work on replacing the broken seats in the Hyde should take place as soon as possible if the Connacht Council hope to have some of these games played in Connacht. I have been saying this in previous historical posts, as I have do not believe that county grounds situated near the coast (Pearse Stadium, Markievicz Park, McHale Park) apart from Croke park, will be selected for many of these matches. THE CONNACHT COUNCIL NEED TO DEVELOP HYDE PARK AS A MATTER OR URGENCY, AS IT IS THE MOST CENTRAL COUNTY GROUND IN THE CONNACHT, if they have any sense.
After all the 24 group stage matches have been completed, the twelve teams left will have to be reduced to eight which means that additional pre-liminary quarter matches will also have to be played in neutral venues, I would expect?
We can then look forward to the All Ireland Quarter finals.
Therefore it is the Connacht Councils and all GAA supporters in the west of Ireland interest to see that work in the Hyde be completed as soon as possible. (Revenue for the Connacht Council / Travel savings for Connacht supporters). Local politicians / Chamber of Commerce should also get on board as it will help business in the town.
This would have no implications for the home and away agreements between Roscommon/Galway/Mayo games in the Connacht championship. If the work/jobs has to be done anyway, what are we waiting for!!!
On a positive note, the Hyde has looked very well for the Tyrone and Armagh games and I do want to complement all those involved in the work completed to date. Like our football team, well done so far but just keep it going!!!" The pre Qtr Finals have 2nd placed teams at home
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "With 8 group stage matches (16 teams) to take place in neutral venues in a few weeks time, work on replacing the broken seats in the Hyde should take place as soon as possible if the Connacht Council hope to have some of these games played in Connacht. I have been saying this in previous historical posts, as I have do not believe that county grounds situated near the coast (Pearse Stadium, Markievicz Park, McHale Park) apart from Croke park, will be selected for many of these matches. THE CONNACHT COUNCIL NEED TO DEVELOP HYDE PARK AS A MATTER OR URGENCY, AS IT IS THE MOST CENTRAL COUNTY GROUND IN THE CONNACHT, if they have any sense.
After all the 24 group stage matches have been completed, the twelve teams left will have to be reduced to eight which means that additional pre-liminary quarter matches will also have to be played in neutral venues, I would expect?
We can then look forward to the All Ireland Quarter finals.
Therefore it is the Connacht Councils and all GAA supporters in the west of Ireland interest to see that work in the Hyde be completed as soon as possible. (Revenue for the Connacht Council / Travel savings for Connacht supporters). Local politicians / Chamber of Commerce should also get on board as it will help business in the town.
This would have no implications for the home and away agreements between Roscommon/Galway/Mayo games in the Connacht championship. If the work/jobs has to be done anyway, what are we waiting for!!!
On a positive note, the Hyde has looked very well for the Tyrone and Armagh games and I do want to complement all those involved in the work completed to date. Like our football team, well done so far but just keep it going!!!" The preliminary quarter-finals are down to be played on a home/away basis, with the 2nd placed team getting home advantage.
GerBo (Roscommon) - Posts: 79 - 22/02/2023 13:26:58
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Let's play Monaghan and hopefully get 2 points there.
Then see what strategy is best.
The Brian Cody theory is go to win every game. If you take the foot off the pedal the minute Div 1 safety is assured it might be impossible to get momentum back .
Winning Connacht means you have the Munster Finalists as seed 2, 1st game v seed 3 at home, 2nd game v seed 4 away and last v seed 2 Neutral venue.
Losing to Mayo means a break to 21st or 28th May.
Is that better than games every 2 weeks through April and May?
PS Wonder where gaerbo has been the last 12 months not knowing 3 out 4 go forward from the Groups." Yea, I think this needs to be a must win game. Lose this and next thing Monaghan are two points behind and gathering momentum with that never say die attitude they always bring to the end of the league. This weekend could be the toughest game yet.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 22/02/2023 15:27:53
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Yea, I think this needs to be a must win game. Lose this and next thing Monaghan are two points behind and gathering momentum with that never say die attitude they always bring to the end of the league. This weekend could be the toughest game yet." I think the phrase that is most commonly applied out of context in the GAA is "must win".
The definition of must win is: a contest, project, scheme, etc., of which a successful or victorious outcome is essential because anything less would negate all preceding efforts.
You're not the only one who uses the term out of context , but if ever there was a time that it definitely not relevant is the Ros game with Monaghan.
If ever there was a game that Ros could afford to lose its this one. Ros are not going to get relegated. They are unlikely to go through the league with 7 wins so if they are to lose a game this would probably be the best one to lose, try to get a recalibration and reset of expectations. It would be worse to win the next game or 2 and then start falling back in performances/results in the latter stages of the league. Just my opinion. But by any definition this weekend is not a must win for Roscommon.
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Yea, I think this needs to be a must win game. Lose this and next thing Monaghan are two points behind and gathering momentum with that never say die attitude they always bring to the end of the league. This weekend could be the toughest game yet." Oh definitely a must win Sunday.. not sure 6 points will definitely keep you up this year.
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1055 - 23/02/2023 08:29:25
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Replying To anotheralias: "I think the phrase that is most commonly applied out of context in the GAA is "must win".
The definition of must win is: a contest, project, scheme, etc., of which a successful or victorious outcome is essential because anything less would negate all preceding efforts.
You're not the only one who uses the term out of context , but if ever there was a time that it definitely not relevant is the Ros game with Monaghan.
If ever there was a game that Ros could afford to lose its this one. Ros are not going to get relegated. They are unlikely to go through the league with 7 wins so if they are to lose a game this would probably be the best one to lose, try to get a recalibration and reset of expectations. It would be worse to win the next game or 2 and then start falling back in performances/results in the latter stages of the league. Just my opinion. But by any definition this weekend is not a must win for Roscommon." I know what you're saying and of course there are other games left after this weekend but as Dave1988 says below, this has the potential to be a year when someone with 6 points gets relegated based on results so far. I've a feeling we won't get many points between the Kerry and Mayo games. Donegal will potentially be fighting for their lives in the last game so I think the Monaghan game is essential to guarantee safety. I'd be happy with a draw as well and I'd change that to must get a result.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 23/02/2023 10:30:17
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One more point in or remaining 4 games would guarantee Div 1 status for us. We got relegated before in Div 1 with 6 points and shouldn't fall into the trap thinking we are safe yet.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that above that Monaghan game would be the best to lose as they'll be in relegation mix and would have the head to head on us then.
Few injury doubts with both David Murray and Conor Hussey taken off with knocks on Sunday. So possible starts for McCormack, Walsh or Hughes if deemed not fit.
I'm expecting a tough full intense encounter in Clones on Sunday so regardless of the result it will be a good test especially for our younger players.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 23/02/2023 11:01:10
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Replying To The_analyser: "One more point in or remaining 4 games would guarantee Div 1 status for us. We got relegated before in Div 1 with 6 points and shouldn't fall into the trap thinking we are safe yet.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that above that Monaghan game would be the best to lose as they'll be in relegation mix and would have the head to head on us then.
Few injury doubts with both David Murray and Conor Hussey taken off with knocks on Sunday. So possible starts for McCormack, Walsh or Hughes if deemed not fit.
I'm expecting a tough full intense encounter in Clones on Sunday so regardless of the result it will be a good test especially for our younger players." It will be more intense Sunday alright and plenty tough old dogs on the Monaghan team.
Hopefully a good dry day and keep things moving fast to wear out the Monaghan oldies!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1416 - 23/02/2023 13:16:17
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Replying To dave1988: "Oh definitely a must win Sunday.. not sure 6 points will definitely keep you up this year." I agree. Its quite possible a team will be relegated this year with 6 points. I've seen teams being safe on 4 but going down on 6 and this season could be one of those.
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "I know what you're saying and of course there are other games left after this weekend but as Dave1988 says below, this has the potential to be a year when someone with 6 points gets relegated based on results so far. I've a feeling we won't get many points between the Kerry and Mayo games. Donegal will potentially be fighting for their lives in the last game so I think the Monaghan game is essential to guarantee safety. I'd be happy with a draw as well and I'd change that to must get a result." Trip to Kerry will be tough but I don't see why we should fear playing Mayo in The Hyde. They've lost a lot of top players and are rebuilding and Roscommon have been every bit as good or better than them at underage over the last few years. Our U20s had a great win pulling away in Castlebar in Summer 2021.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 23/02/2023 18:46:05
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Another tough test on Sunday against the 2nd longest team in div1. I don't think we can afford to take the foot of the peddle by resting key players. Momenent is important at this level and can't be turned on and off. If results do going our way and a chance of div 1 title is a possibility, it should not be turned down as it did Kerry no harm later on in the year
hontherossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 100 - 24/02/2023 10:16:43
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Conor Carroll (Oranmore/Maree)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Subs Colm Lavin (Eire Og) Donie Smith (Boyle) Colin Walsh (Oran) Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's) Daire Cregg (Boyle) Richard Hughes (Roscommon Gaels) Ruaidhri Fallon (St Brigids) Niall Kilroy (Fuerty) Paul Carey (Padraig Pearses) Cian Glennon (St Faithleachs) Ben O'Carroll (St Brigids)
One change replacing one of our stand out forwards in this league for a player that has struggled in his appearances this year. I'll be surprised if that change isn't reversed before throw in and remains to be seen if the players with injury doubts will play any part.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 24/02/2023 20:51:30
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Replying To The_analyser: "Conor Carroll (Oranmore/Maree)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Subs Colm Lavin (Eire Og) Donie Smith (Boyle) Colin Walsh (Oran) Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's) Daire Cregg (Boyle) Richard Hughes (Roscommon Gaels) Ruaidhri Fallon (St Brigids) Niall Kilroy (Fuerty) Paul Carey (Padraig Pearses) Cian Glennon (St Faithleachs) Ben O'Carroll (St Brigids)
One change replacing one of our stand out forwards in this league for a player that has struggled in his appearances this year. I'll be surprised if that change isn't reversed before throw in and remains to be seen if the players with injury doubts will play any part." To date Davy has 2 ir 3 changes to the published (programme) team.
This time Davy Murray may not be fit and Cox is a ??.
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "To date Davy has 2 ir 3 changes to the published (programme) team.
This time Davy Murray may not be fit and Cox is a ??." two or three changes are possible. Might be a change or two on the listed subs also.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 25/02/2023 21:07:25
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Well our winning league run was eventually to come to end I just hope that defeat doesn't prove costly as Monaghan have the head to head on us now.
Our worst performance of the league this year and yet only lost by 3 and might have nicked it late on. 0-14 conceded away to Monaghan not a bad score to concede when you take in account that they score 1-20 v Donegal last weekend however we gave away too many scoreable frees and at the other end we should have scored about 1-15 at least but so wasteful so long story short lots to improve before the championship in April.
I thought Dolan,Hughes was among our best players, Ben O'Carroll good 2nd half in a well below average team performance.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 26/02/2023 16:39:33
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Replying To The_analyser: "Well our winning league run was eventually to come to end I just hope that defeat doesn't prove costly as Monaghan have the head to head on us now.
Our worst performance of the league this year and yet only lost by 3 and might have nicked it late on. 0-14 conceded away to Monaghan not a bad score to concede when you take in account that they score 1-20 v Donegal last weekend however we gave away too many scoreable frees and at the other end we should have scored about 1-15 at least but so wasteful so long story short lots to improve before the championship in April.
I thought Dolan,Hughes was among our best players, Ben O'Carroll good 2nd half in a well below average team performance." Discipline was shocking. Some terrible decision making, especially shot selection. I thought Roscommon looked a bit tired and lacked the sharpeness of previous games. Monaghan in fairness made it an absolute dog fight and no harm for them to experience that. They remind me of Strokestown. I hope Roscommon had some heavy training during the week and some of the performance can be put down to that. Two very tough games coming up next.
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Horrible performance. Players looked dead from the first minute. Very frustrating to watch. When we are bad my god we are bloody awful to watch. Better team won and just hope we improve on that before Sunday or mayo will destroy us
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Replying To The_analyser: "Well our winning league run was eventually to come to end I just hope that defeat doesn't prove costly as Monaghan have the head to head on us now.
Our worst performance of the league this year and yet only lost by 3 and might have nicked it late on. 0-14 conceded away to Monaghan not a bad score to concede when you take in account that they score 1-20 v Donegal last weekend however we gave away too many scoreable frees and at the other end we should have scored about 1-15 at least but so wasteful so long story short lots to improve before the championship in April.
I thought Dolan,Hughes was among our best players, Ben O'Carroll good 2nd half in a well below average team performance." Hopefully it doesn't. We could do with another point and I wouldn't like to be going into that final game v Donegal needing something which may well be the case depending how it goes next week and in Tralee.
Thought we were very sloppy today and didn't deserve anything from the game. We struggled to break Armagh down in the first half last week when they sat back against the wind and only opened them up when they came out and played second half. Monaghan were wise to that today and were happy for us to carry ball into their half knowing we struggle to break down those defences. They penetrated us that bit easier on the counter attack when we gave them some silly turnovers.
Monaghan are physically an impressive side and thought it was a good lesson for some of our younger players today, a few of them took the ball into the tackle too often and against a team like that you will be turned over.
Hopefully we get a good crowd in the Hyde next week and we see a positive reaction and an improved performance.
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Hopefully it doesn't. We could do with another point and I wouldn't like to be going into that final game v Donegal needing something which may well be the case depending how it goes next week and in Tralee.
Thought we were very sloppy today and didn't deserve anything from the game. We struggled to break Armagh down in the first half last week when they sat back against the wind and only opened them up when they came out and played second half. Monaghan were wise to that today and were happy for us to carry ball into their half knowing we struggle to break down those defences. They penetrated us that bit easier on the counter attack when we gave them some silly turnovers.
Monaghan are physically an impressive side and thought it was a good lesson for some of our younger players today, a few of them took the ball into the tackle too often and against a team like that you will be turned over.
Hopefully we get a good crowd in the Hyde next week and we see a positive reaction and an improved performance." Feet firmly re stuck to ground after that one.
No spark in the team today and no plan B when trying to walk through the unyielding Monaghan defence wasn't working.
Apart from Niall Daly in the first half it was a showing our senior players will want to forget.
Hughes, Dolan and Ben O'Carroll the pick of our lads today.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1416 - 26/02/2023 20:12:47
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Hopefully it doesn't. We could do with another point and I wouldn't like to be going into that final game v Donegal needing something which may well be the case depending how it goes next week and in Tralee.
Thought we were very sloppy today and didn't deserve anything from the game. We struggled to break Armagh down in the first half last week when they sat back against the wind and only opened them up when they came out and played second half. Monaghan were wise to that today and were happy for us to carry ball into their half knowing we struggle to break down those defences. They penetrated us that bit easier on the counter attack when we gave them some silly turnovers.
Monaghan are physically an impressive side and thought it was a good lesson for some of our younger players today, a few of them took the ball into the tackle too often and against a team like that you will be turned over.
Hopefully we get a good crowd in the Hyde next week and we see a positive reaction and an improved performance." I would agree with this completely. We ran into the tackle far too often and we dispossessed so easily. I can't understand why we didn't try running at them more especially in the second half and target the centre channel. We were very predictable today and just seemed to lack any urgency. I thought Keith Doyle had a poor game. Lost ball quite easily at times and also his distribution was very poor. Monaghan just seemed to get all the breaks which was probably down to their hunger. In saying that I also thought the ref was very hard on us. Seemed to blow very quickly for any contact on a Monaghan player whereas our lads were pushed and harried and most times no free. In saying that the better team on the day won and we can't have any qualms. Good to see Davy's interview this evening where he thought it was just an off day for us and that there is massive room for improvement. Massive improvement needed for Mayo next weekend or else they'll give us a beating. Still plenty to be positive about though. We played poorly yet we're within a kick of a ball today. Onwards and upwards
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