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It's hard to believe that I would see the day I would agree with a shamgael but there is merit in what he has said. The drain of decent players for whatever reason isn't good for club or county and having grand facilities won't necessarily make for better players.
Anyway. if we look at what the sham calls boring league football that could be more to do with his own Irvinestown team who seem destined for Division 2. Looking at the tables this is how things stands after yesterday's round with the top five highlighted in each league which is more or less what was expected.
Senior Football League Division 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Derrygonnelly 5 5 0 0 109 51 12
2 Belnaleck 5 4 1 0 83 50 11
3 Erne Gaels 5 3 1 1 76 70 9
4 Kinawley 5 3 1 1 64 59 8
5 Enniskillen 5 2 2 1 72 67 7
6 Ederney 5 2 2 1 79 70 6
7 Derrylin 5 2 3 0 60 88 4
8 Becoo 5 1 4 0 57 77 3
9 Irvinestown 5 1 4 0 55 79 3
10 Donagh 5 0 5 0 50 94 0
Senior Football League Division 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Devenish 5 5 0 0 100 53 12
2 Teemore 5 3 0 2 78 53 11
3 Roslea 5 4 1 0 71 48 9
4 Tempo 5 4 0 1 69 51 9
5 Newtownbutler 5 3 1 1 72 65 9
6 Maguiresbridge 5 2 3 0 75 72 6
7 Lisnaskea 5 1 4 0 54 74 3
8 Coa 5 1 4 0 49 87 3
9 Aghadrumsee 5 0 5 0 52 68 1
10 Brookeboro 5 0 5 0 47 96 0
erneboy (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1400 - 22/07/2023 15:36:41
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Replying To erneboy: "It's hard to believe that I would see the day I would agree with a shamgael but there is merit in what he has said. The drain of decent players for whatever reason isn't good for club or county and having grand facilities won't necessarily make for better players.
Anyway. if we look at what the sham calls boring league football that could be more to do with his own Irvinestown team who seem destined for Division 2. Looking at the tables this is how things stands after yesterday's round with the top five highlighted in each league which is more or less what was expected.
Senior Football League Division 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Derrygonnelly 5 5 0 0 109 51 12
2 Belnaleck 5 4 1 0 83 50 11
3 Erne Gaels 5 3 1 1 76 70 9
4 Kinawley 5 3 1 1 64 59 8
5 Enniskillen 5 2 2 1 72 67 7
6 Ederney 5 2 2 1 79 70 6
7 Derrylin 5 2 3 0 60 88 4
8 Becoo 5 1 4 0 57 77 3
9 Irvinestown 5 1 4 0 55 79 3
10 Donagh 5 0 5 0 50 94 0
Senior Football League Division 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Devenish 5 5 0 0 100 53 12
2 Teemore 5 3 0 2 78 53 11
3 Roslea 5 4 1 0 71 48 9
4 Tempo 5 4 0 1 69 51 9
5 Newtownbutler 5 3 1 1 72 65 9
6 Maguiresbridge 5 2 3 0 75 72 6
7 Lisnaskea 5 1 4 0 54 74 3
8 Coa 5 1 4 0 49 87 3
9 Aghadrumsee 5 0 5 0 52 68 1
10 Brookeboro 5 0 5 0 47 96 0" I would think that the top four highlighted will likely be in the race for both the league and championship titles this year.
In D1 I would predict both St Pat's and Belcoo being relegated with Devenish and Teemore being promoted.
Some teams that have these grand facilities referred to by the shamgael have gone to the dogs in recent seasons and without naming them they are in north and east of the county.
Blaming the co board for all the problems at county level isn't fair. I agree with shotgun about good players exiting as there isn't anything worthwhile to stay for.
By the way where is our poster macca? Does exit too once the county football is over?
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 25/07/2023 11:40:41
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Replying To erneboy: "It's hard to believe that I would see the day I would agree with a shamgael but there is merit in what he has said. The drain of decent players for whatever reason isn't good for club or county and having grand facilities won't necessarily make for better players.
Anyway. if we look at what the sham calls boring league football that could be more to do with his own Irvinestown team who seem destined for Division 2. Looking at the tables this is how things stands after yesterday's round with the top five highlighted in each league which is more or less what was expected.
Senior Football League Division 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Derrygonnelly 5 5 0 0 109 51 12
2 Belnaleck 5 4 1 0 83 50 11
3 Erne Gaels 5 3 1 1 76 70 9
4 Kinawley 5 3 1 1 64 59 8
5 Enniskillen 5 2 2 1 72 67 7
6 Ederney 5 2 2 1 79 70 6
7 Derrylin 5 2 3 0 60 88 4
8 Becoo 5 1 4 0 57 77 3
9 Irvinestown 5 1 4 0 55 79 3
10 Donagh 5 0 5 0 50 94 0
Senior Football League Division 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Devenish 5 5 0 0 100 53 12
2 Teemore 5 3 0 2 78 53 11
3 Roslea 5 4 1 0 71 48 9
4 Tempo 5 4 0 1 69 51 9
5 Newtownbutler 5 3 1 1 72 65 9
6 Maguiresbridge 5 2 3 0 75 72 6
7 Lisnaskea 5 1 4 0 54 74 3
8 Coa 5 1 4 0 49 87 3
9 Aghadrumsee 5 0 5 0 52 68 1
10 Brookeboro 5 0 5 0 47 96 0" What has happened to Roslea in recent years?
Errigal1978 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4 - 26/07/2023 00:40:21
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Replying To Errigal1978: " Replying To erneboy: "It's hard to believe that I would see the day I would agree with a shamgael but there is merit in what he has said. The drain of decent players for whatever reason isn't good for club or county and having grand facilities won't necessarily make for better players.
Anyway. if we look at what the sham calls boring league football that could be more to do with his own Irvinestown team who seem destined for Division 2. Looking at the tables this is how things stands after yesterday's round with the top five highlighted in each league which is more or less what was expected.
Senior Football League Division 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Derrygonnelly 5 5 0 0 109 51 12
2 Belnaleck 5 4 1 0 83 50 11
3 Erne Gaels 5 3 1 1 76 70 9
4 Kinawley 5 3 1 1 64 59 8
5 Enniskillen 5 2 2 1 72 67 7
6 Ederney 5 2 2 1 79 70 6
7 Derrylin 5 2 3 0 60 88 4
8 Becoo 5 1 4 0 57 77 3
9 Irvinestown 5 1 4 0 55 79 3
10 Donagh 5 0 5 0 50 94 0
Senior Football League Division 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Devenish 5 5 0 0 100 53 12
2 Teemore 5 3 0 2 78 53 11
3 Roslea 5 4 1 0 71 48 9
4 Tempo 5 4 0 1 69 51 9
5 Newtownbutler 5 3 1 1 72 65 9
6 Maguiresbridge 5 2 3 0 75 72 6
7 Lisnaskea 5 1 4 0 54 74 3
8 Coa 5 1 4 0 49 87 3
9 Aghadrumsee 5 0 5 0 52 68 1
10 Brookeboro 5 0 5 0 47 96 0" What has happened to Roslea in recent years?"
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Replying To Coa_gael: " Replying To Errigal1978: "[quote=erneboy: "It's hard to believe that I would see the day I would agree with a shamgael but there is merit in what he has said. The drain of decent players for whatever reason isn't good for club or county and having grand facilities won't necessarily make for better players.
Anyway. if we look at what the sham calls boring league football that could be more to do with his own Irvinestown team who seem destined for Division 2. Looking at the tables this is how things stands after yesterday's round with the top five highlighted in each league which is more or less what was expected.
Senior Football League Division 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Derrygonnelly 5 5 0 0 109 51 12
2 Belnaleck 5 4 1 0 83 50 11
3 Erne Gaels 5 3 1 1 76 70 9
4 Kinawley 5 3 1 1 64 59 8
5 Enniskillen 5 2 2 1 72 67 7
6 Ederney 5 2 2 1 79 70 6
7 Derrylin 5 2 3 0 60 88 4
8 Becoo 5 1 4 0 57 77 3
9 Irvinestown 5 1 4 0 55 79 3
10 Donagh 5 0 5 0 50 94 0
Senior Football League Division 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Devenish 5 5 0 0 100 53 12
2 Teemore 5 3 0 2 78 53 11
3 Roslea 5 4 1 0 71 48 9
4 Tempo 5 4 0 1 69 51 9
5 Newtownbutler 5 3 1 1 72 65 9
6 Maguiresbridge 5 2 3 0 75 72 6
7 Lisnaskea 5 1 4 0 54 74 3
8 Coa 5 1 4 0 49 87 3
9 Aghadrumsee 5 0 5 0 52 68 1
10 Brookeboro 5 0 5 0 47 96 0" What has happened to Roslea in recent years?"
While it's a positive development to see younger players getting valuable league minutes, many of them may leave the county in the coming years, and the cycle will repeat.
Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 48 - 27/07/2023 17:23:47
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Fair bit through the league now what are the thoughts of posters?
Derrygonnelly look to be favourites again this year with Belnaleck looking strong too. The harps look to have a nice mix of youth and experience which usually bodes well. Donagh look like relegation fodder already with the other spot potentially being Irvinestown. Good win last night for Derrylin over Belleek.
Div 2 looks like Devenish are going up and a three horse race for second between Teemore, Roslea & Tempo. No shocks there, big gap in quality between the top half and bottom half of clubs in Div 2, as usually does be the way. Lisnaskea are surely favourites for junior champ this year.
Any standout players this year from your own respective clubs?
Bailah (Fermanagh) - Posts: 45 - 05/08/2023 21:00:53
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Replying To Bailah: "Fair bit through the league now what are the thoughts of posters?
Derrygonnelly look to be favourites again this year with Belnaleck looking strong too. The harps look to have a nice mix of youth and experience which usually bodes well. Donagh look like relegation fodder already with the other spot potentially being Irvinestown. Good win last night for Derrylin over Belleek.
Div 2 looks like Devenish are going up and a three horse race for second between Teemore, Roslea & Tempo. No shocks there, big gap in quality between the top half and bottom half of clubs in Div 2, as usually does be the way. Lisnaskea are surely favourites for junior champ this year.
Any standout players this year from your own respective clubs?" I wouldn't rule out Belcoo of the relegation fodder as Irvinestown always seem to pull through. Agree that Donagh seemed doomed.
In D2, I would say Teemore and Tempo with potentially Roslea for promotion. Roslea seem to have lost their appetite for the game.
It seems to be rather a dull league campaign this year so let's hope that change come championship time. Not sure why attendances are down this year.
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 08/08/2023 09:38:19
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1 CLG Chláirseacha Dhoire Ó gConaíle 8 8 0 0 172 79 18
2 Kinawley Brian Borus 8 5 1 2 100 90 13
3 Ederney St Joseph's 8 5 2 1 146 95 12
4 Belnaleck Art McMurroughs 8 4 4 0 116 93 11
5 Enniskillen Gaels 8 4 3 1 121 101 11
6 Erne Gaels Belleek 8 3 3 2 107 118 10
7 Derrylin O'Connells 8 4 4 0 90 118 8
8 Belcoo O'Rahilly's 8 2 5 1 95 115 6
9 Irvinestown St Molaise 8 1 6 1 89 129 4
10 St Patrick's Donagh 8 0 8 0 80 178 0
We're heading into the last game of the league season, and it looks like a bunch of teams are scrapping for that second spot. My money's on Kinawley or Ederney snagging second place, depending on how things pan out.
I figure Derrygonnelly's got the upper hand against both Cil Naile and Ederney, unless we're in for a real shocker.
Can't believe how Erne Gaels started strong but then kinda fell off the radar in the league.
Donagh has had a rough time in the campaign, hearing rumours that some players jetted off to Oz and they've been dealing with a bunch of injuries too.
Irvinestown's got a do-or-die match against Erne Gaels to avoid the drop. If teams are tied on points, do they settle it with head-to-head or the points they've scored?
Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 48 - 14/08/2023 10:49:55
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Replying To Itown1234: "1 CLG Chláirseacha Dhoire Ó gConaíle 8 8 0 0 172 79 18
2 Kinawley Brian Borus 8 5 1 2 100 90 13
3 Ederney St Joseph's 8 5 2 1 146 95 12
4 Belnaleck Art McMurroughs 8 4 4 0 116 93 11
5 Enniskillen Gaels 8 4 3 1 121 101 11
6 Erne Gaels Belleek 8 3 3 2 107 118 10
7 Derrylin O'Connells 8 4 4 0 90 118 8
8 Belcoo O'Rahilly's 8 2 5 1 95 115 6
9 Irvinestown St Molaise 8 1 6 1 89 129 4
10 St Patrick's Donagh 8 0 8 0 80 178 0
We're heading into the last game of the league season, and it looks like a bunch of teams are scrapping for that second spot. My money's on Kinawley or Ederney snagging second place, depending on how things pan out.
I figure Derrygonnelly's got the upper hand against both Cil Naile and Ederney, unless we're in for a real shocker.
Can't believe how Erne Gaels started strong but then kinda fell off the radar in the league.
Donagh has had a rough time in the campaign, hearing rumours that some players jetted off to Oz and they've been dealing with a bunch of injuries too.
Irvinestown's got a do-or-die match against Erne Gaels to avoid the drop. If teams are tied on points, do they settle it with head-to-head or the points they've scored?" It's head to head if 1 team tied on points so Itown would need a 20 point swing
4 teams can make league final since they are scheduled against eachother so will be an interesting night
Love_Leckers (Fermanagh) - Posts: 347 - 14/08/2023 15:54:42
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Game fixtures and predictions for this Fri 18 Aug @ 7:30PM as the league campaign rounds end.
SFL D1 Rd 9
Belcoo v Derrygonnelly (The Belcoo humpty dumpties will no doubt get stuffed by the pubbers)
Enniskillen Gaels v Ederney (Probably a townies win having the more experienced players compared with the weemen)
St Pats v Derrylin (The better Donagh players have flown the nest so a guaranteed win the mummers)
Irvinestown v Erne Gaels (Needs to be massive showing by our Molaise lads tonight)
Bellanaleck v Kinawley (Love to see the Leckers win but a big call with players missing. The clockers may just edge a win)
SFL D2 Rd9
Teemore v M'bridge (Can't see other than a win for the Teemore hillbillies)
Devenish v Newtownbutler (Should be a win for the bears but wouldn't rule out a Newtown surprise)
Lisnaskea v Tempo (i.e. the pansies v the rednecks with the latter necking a definite win)
IrvinestownMkII (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1402 - 18/08/2023 11:43:03
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I'm taking a shot at predicting how things might pan out in the Championship group stages, I have been way off in the past with my predictions. Curious to hear what others are thinking!
For Senior Group A, it's pretty obvious that Derrygonelly is the team to beat. Choosing between Belnaleck and Erne Gaels is a tough one - could go either way. My hunch is that Rolsea might end up at the bottom.
In Senior Group B, it's a real head-scratcher. Ederney, Enniskillen, and Kinawley are all contenders for the top spot. Enniskillen's been playing without key players most of the year. Ederney's got a bunch of young, speedy players. Kinawley's always got a solid set-up plan. Devenish did well in the league, but I haven't caught them in action myself.
Jumping to Intermediate Group A, Derrylin caught my eye in the league, showing off some skilful players. My bet's on Teemore edging out St Pats after their not-so-great run - never an easy match against the Hillbillies.
In Intermediate Group B, Belcoo managing to stay in the senior league might give them an edge in the Intermediate Championship. I'm putting Tempo ahead of Irvinestown. We seemed a bit disinterested and low on confidence during the senior league. Admittedly, I haven't seen Tempo play, so that's a bit of a wild guess. As for Newtownbutler, their mixed-league performance leaves me uncertain since I haven't watched them play.
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Group A
1). Derrygonnelly
2). Belnaleck
3). Erne Gaels
4). Rolsea
Group B
1). Ederney
2). Enniskillen
3). Kinawley
4). Devenish
Intermediate
Group A
1). Derrylin
2). Teemore
3). St Pats
4). MaguiresBridge
Group B
1). Belcoo
2). Tempo
3). Irvinestown
4). Newtownbutler
Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 48 - 22/08/2023 12:13:19
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It's an absolute disgrace that a game should have to be played for 90mins plus. Extra time, extra time is a joke. Where's the welfare of the players consideration it that? A penalty shootout would be a kinder option. The one thing we takeaway from yesterday's final is that no team is conclusively superior and the senior championship is all to play for.
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 28/08/2023 13:51:07
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Replying To cillnaile.: "It's an absolute disgrace that a game should have to be played for 90mins plus. Extra time, extra time is a joke. Where's the welfare of the players consideration it that? A penalty shootout would be a kinder option. The one thing we takeaway from yesterday's final is that no team is conclusively superior and the senior championship is all to play for." Fully agree!
gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 802 - 28/08/2023 16:12:27
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Replying To cillnaile.: "It's an absolute disgrace that a game should have to be played for 90mins plus. Extra time, extra time is a joke. Where's the welfare of the players consideration it that? A penalty shootout would be a kinder option. The one thing we takeaway from yesterday's final is that no team is conclusively superior and the senior championship is all to play for." Having 90 minutes of football in the league final with the championship on the horizon does nether team any good. These type of games are just asking for injuries.
Good to see the men in blue put up a really competitive game, looking forward to the championship that bit more.
This year's championship could be a lot more competitive than previous years. Always will be hard to look past the harps but teams such as Kinawley , Enniskillen , the leckers and Ederney will hopefully put a competitive edge to this year.
Also congratulations to division 2 champions Roslea. Good to see them back where they belong
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Replying To cillnaile.: "It's an absolute disgrace that a game should have to be played for 90mins plus. Extra time, extra time is a joke. Where's the welfare of the players consideration it that? A penalty shootout would be a kinder option. The one thing we takeaway from yesterday's final is that no team is conclusively superior and the senior championship is all to play for." The hens will be cackling in pubberland today! Yes the hens are definitely beatable come championship time, probably due to much feeding!!
TurnipHead. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 248 - 28/08/2023 16:53:49
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Well, the championships got underway and the biggest shock was the whacking that the Leckers got!
SFC Group A Round 1
Erne Gaels (3-13) Belnaleck (0-9)
Derrygonnelly (2-17) Roslea (2-11)
SFC Group B Round 1
Kinawley (2-9) Devenish (1-12)
Ederney (0-12) Enniskillen (2-10)
IFC Group A Round 1
Derrylin (2-11) Maguiresbridge (1-6)
Donagh (3-7) (Teemore 3-17)
IFC Group B Round 1
Belcoo 1-12) Newtownbutler (1-11)
Irvinestown (1-4) Tempo (0-8)
Junior Football Championship QF1
Aghadrumsee (2-14) Brookeboro (1-8)
Junior Football Championship QF2
Coa (1-10) Lisnaskea (4-10)
Next round fixtures:
Fri 15th Sep 23
SFC Group B Round 2
Enniskillen v Kinawley at Brewster Park 8:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
Sat 16th Sep 23
IFC Group B Round 2
Tempo v Belcoo at Tempo 3:00 PM
IFC Group B Round 2
Newtownbutler v Irvinestown at Newtownbuller3:00 PM
IFC Group A Round 2
Teemore v Derrylin at Teemore 5:00 PM
SFC Group A Round 2
Roslea v Erne Gaels at Roslea 6:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
Sun 17th Sep 23
SFC Group B Round 2
Devenish v Ederney at Garrison 1:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
IFC Group A Round 2
Maguiresbridge v Donagh at Maguiresbridge 1:00 PM
SFC Group A Round 2
Belnaleck v Derrygonnelly at Belnaleck 4:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
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Replying To erneboy: "Well, the championships got underway and the biggest shock was the whacking that the Leckers got!
SFC Group A Round 1
Erne Gaels (3-13) Belnaleck (0-9)
Derrygonnelly (2-17) Roslea (2-11)
SFC Group B Round 1
Kinawley (2-9) Devenish (1-12)
Ederney (0-12) Enniskillen (2-10)
IFC Group A Round 1
Derrylin (2-11) Maguiresbridge (1-6)
Donagh (3-7) (Teemore 3-17)
IFC Group B Round 1
Belcoo 1-12) Newtownbutler (1-11)
Irvinestown (1-4) Tempo (0-8)
Junior Football Championship QF1
Aghadrumsee (2-14) Brookeboro (1-8)
Junior Football Championship QF2
Coa (1-10) Lisnaskea (4-10)
Next round fixtures:
Fri 15th Sep 23
SFC Group B Round 2
Enniskillen v Kinawley at Brewster Park 8:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
Sat 16th Sep 23
IFC Group B Round 2
Tempo v Belcoo at Tempo 3:00 PM
IFC Group B Round 2
Newtownbutler v Irvinestown at Newtownbuller3:00 PM
IFC Group A Round 2
Teemore v Derrylin at Teemore 5:00 PM
SFC Group A Round 2
Roslea v Erne Gaels at Roslea 6:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
Sun 17th Sep 23
SFC Group B Round 2
Devenish v Ederney at Garrison 1:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)
IFC Group A Round 2
Maguiresbridge v Donagh at Maguiresbridge 1:00 PM
SFC Group A Round 2
Belnaleck v Derrygonnelly at Belnaleck 4:00 PM (Live via: Fermanagh GAA TV)" Yes, the leckers certainly got whacked and not a whimper from macca999 who has taken plenty of opportunities to glorify some of their players. Like Macca, both have paled into GAA wilderness!
gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 802 - 13/09/2023 11:01:55
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Quiet on here in midst of business end of the club championship.
Kinawley be very disappointed to lose Saturday after being 7 points up midway through second half but failed to score again, Derrygonnelly have a wealth of experience and it certainly helped.
Yesterday Erne Gaels raced out of the traps and did enough to keep the Gaels at bay.
Should be a good final, only a week turnaround which could have impact if either team carrying knocks.
Erne Gaels will be very hungry and will want to avenge last year's final loss while Derrygonnelly always tough opponent plus would like another crack at Kilcoo after recent ulster final, after their antics at weekend certainly be lots of support for the fermanagh champions in that one.
Ulster intercounty championship draw just around corner now too on Saturday.
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1142 - 16/10/2023 18:28:56
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Replying To macca999: "Quiet on here in midst of business end of the club championship.
Kinawley be very disappointed to lose Saturday after being 7 points up midway through second half but failed to score again, Derrygonnelly have a wealth of experience and it certainly helped.
Yesterday Erne Gaels raced out of the traps and did enough to keep the Gaels at bay.
Should be a good final, only a week turnaround which could have impact if either team carrying knocks.
Erne Gaels will be very hungry and will want to avenge last year's final loss while Derrygonnelly always tough opponent plus would like another crack at Kilcoo after recent ulster final, after their antics at weekend certainly be lots of support for the fermanagh champions in that one.
Ulster intercounty championship draw just around corner now too on Saturday." Looking forward to a great final.
I feel Belleek may have played their final already but hopefully it'll be a great tussle.
LordBendtner (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1 - 17/10/2023 19:50:02
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Replying To LordBendtner: "Looking forward to a great final.
I feel Belleek may have played their final already but hopefully it'll be a great tussle." The extra weeks break probably hurt enniskillen and derrygonnely, both got caught on the hop early but derrygonnely were able to get over the line and the goal finished the Gaels off. Should be a good final, be nice to see Belleek get over the line alot of hard work done over past 6 or 7 years. Will be tough going though.
Love_Leckers (Fermanagh) - Posts: 347 - 19/10/2023 13:19:24
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