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Replying To brisbane:  "Interesting stat from kerry losing possession in the final third.

Everytime kerry suffered a turnover in possession in the final third, they committed a foul on every occasion bar once, the crazy decision on Daly.

It seems to be a kerry tactic to foul the opposition high up the field when turned over, to stop the counter attack . Makes the Daly call all the more baffling"
100%, a current inter county coach mentioned this to me the week before the final. He said it's a Paddy Tally thing, coached to foul high up the pitch and reset. He said it Galway were clever PJ or some ex player would have put it out their last week to out the pressure on the officials.

I think if it was a Dublin/Galway tactic some ex player would have been in the media highlighting it.

smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 494 - 28/07/2022 15:58:45    2435117

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Replying To FatLadySinging:  "All this talk emanating from Kerry in the aftermath of the very narrow (and perhaps even lucky) All Ireland win over Galway that they are going to build a dynasty and even emulate the Dublin 5-in-a-row, has all the hallmarks of a serious delusion caused by an uncontrolled sense of ego. Galway has as much chance of creating a dynasty as Kerry or any other county. We have won u20 and u17 All Irelands and have very talented player resources ready to augment the current brilliant squad. Kerry won a lot of soft All Irelands over the years until the championship was restructured. All they had to do each year was beat Cork (usually a fairly easy task), to get into the All Ireland semi-final. Thus, they could bring Sam home by winning just 3 matches. Is it any wonder they are top of the list for titles won? Contrast this with other provinces where counties faced a real dog fight to win out. Those days of soft All Irelands are over for Kerry who are really going to hard earn any future titles.
So they should thank their lucky stars they managed to win this year and forget all talk of a dynasty and show respect to the many fine teams out there who have an equal chance of winning the title. Gaillimh Abu."
They'll be no dynasty IMO be it Kerry or Galway what is more likely is a repeat of the 90s whereby there was a number of All-Ireland winners.

The last three years had produced three different winners and the last two finals had four different finalists. However the new format coming in next year will suit the teams that get the most impact from their bench so if Joyce has plans on leading Galway to the final again he'll have to strengthen the bench and trust the players on bench more than he did this year.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3590 - 28/07/2022 16:39:52    2435129

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Replying To crafty:  "Joe Brolly reckons that Galway threw in the towel in the final 10 mins. He was also critical of Walsh for trying to score free from an impossible distance at a vital moment. He feels that Galway never really put it up to Kerry.
Philly McMahon felt that Galway never really believed that they would win the game.
Both felt that for neutrals it was a bit of a non event and always heading for an inevitable conclusion.
It's hard to disagree."
After Kerry took the lead for the first time in the 41st minute, Galway quickly levelled and then went two points up. When Kerry later opened up a two points lead, Galway stormed back to level the game again and they seemed to have the momentum until the controversial call against John Daly in the 67th handed the lead back to Kerry. How anyone who watched the game can conclude that Galway did not put it up to Kerry and that the result was inevitable is beyond me. People see what they want to see I suppose.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1033 - 28/07/2022 17:06:06    2435136

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Replying To brisbane:  "Interesting stat from kerry losing possession in the final third.

Everytime kerry suffered a turnover in possession in the final third, they committed a foul on every occasion bar once, the crazy decision on Daly.

It seems to be a kerry tactic to foul the opposition high up the field when turned over, to stop the counter attack . Makes the Daly call all the more baffling"
I'd say all coaches encourage players to foul cynically up the pitch, to slow transition after a turnover. With the way the possession game is played nowadays, it's even more of an emphasized/commonly used tactic, I'd say.

Certainly fouling up the pitch to slow opposition transition after turnover, has been a Kerry tactic for years, and they may even have invented it as a tactic, but it wasn't this year or last year they started deploying it. They're still crying into their pints about not dragging down the dub fella that goaled late to win the 2011 final. Maybe he was too far up the pitch to 'qualify' as a candidate for a cynical foul.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4096 - 28/07/2022 17:18:34    2435138

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "After Kerry took the lead for the first time in the 41st minute, Galway quickly levelled and then went two points up. When Kerry later opened up a two points lead, Galway stormed back to level the game again and they seemed to have the momentum until the controversial call against John Daly in the 67th handed the lead back to Kerry. How anyone who watched the game can conclude that Galway did not put it up to Kerry and that the result was inevitable is beyond me. People see what they want to see I suppose."
Exactly. Brolly only trying to remain relevant and like McStay allows his prejudices to influence his commentary/analysis. We were well in that game. God forbid if we had won. The naysayers would have put it down to a total Kerry collapse.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1973 - 28/07/2022 17:19:22    2435139

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Held off posting for a few days to gather my thoughts… what a great final and what a performance from our lads, I know finals are for winning and that's what all Galway teams will be judged on ultimately but there was enough there to suggest we can come back next year and land the major. I think talk of Kerry dominance is fanciful.

Key words for me is "continuity" and "pushing on" in 2023. I do hope we can keep the panel and management together and extend the panel to include Cooke, Mike Daly a few others. McLoughlin back in from injury will be a big additional also.

If we can also get a bit more cutting edge into our attack and expand on our attacking game plan I have no doubt we have the tools to go on and win one. The lads have a taste for the big day now so I do hope we push on

Overall though a major sense of PRIDE in our players and supporters, Croke Park was a sea of maroon on Sunday. I was a vocal critic of Joyce on this forum last year and tbh wanted him out after the Mayo game in Croker but I will gladly eat my word now. I think Galway football is well and truly back so let's build on it and get behind the lads in 2023.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1661 - 28/07/2022 17:48:44    2435146

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Exactly. Brolly only trying to remain relevant and like McStay allows his prejudices to influence his commentary/analysis. We were well in that game. God forbid if we had won. The naysayers would have put it down to a total Kerry collapse."
Brolly is yesterday's man and his opinions are quite irrelevant. He's just a notice box and tries to be controversial to remain in the spotlight. Why any newspaper or media outlet use his opinions is beyond me. On another note: when Paddy Tally was with Galway he was a complete failure and achieved nothing in devising a defensive strategy. He seems to have developed a "high profile" since he went to Kerry and is credited with setting up their defence. This doesn't really "tally". He was also an abysmal failure as Down manager and achieved nothing. Is things better in Kerry or what?

FatLadySinging (Galway) - Posts: 91 - 28/07/2022 18:01:44    2435148

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Replying To FatLadySinging:  "All this talk emanating from Kerry in the aftermath of the very narrow (and perhaps even lucky) All Ireland win over Galway that they are going to build a dynasty and even emulate the Dublin 5-in-a-row, has all the hallmarks of a serious delusion caused by an uncontrolled sense of ego. Galway has as much chance of creating a dynasty as Kerry or any other county. We have won u20 and u17 All Irelands and have very talented player resources ready to augment the current brilliant squad. Kerry won a lot of soft All Irelands over the years until the championship was restructured. All they had to do each year was beat Cork (usually a fairly easy task), to get into the All Ireland semi-final. Thus, they could bring Sam home by winning just 3 matches. Is it any wonder they are top of the list for titles won? Contrast this with other provinces where counties faced a real dog fight to win out. Those days of soft All Irelands are over for Kerry who are really going to hard earn any future titles.
So they should thank their lucky stars they managed to win this year and forget all talk of a dynasty and show respect to the many fine teams out there who have an equal chance of winning the title. Gaillimh Abu."
Congrats to Galway on a great game but your talking bull. The talk of Kerry building a dynasty is not coming from Kerry. Now your facts are wrong too. Once in my lifetime 1980 Kerry won an all Ireland playing 3 games. Once! Remember that year? Galway won the hurling. How many games did they play,? I remember when Galway went straight into semi finals in the hurling. I actually have a soft spot for Galway and was cheering for them when they won the hurling in 2017.I was there cheering on Galway in 2001 when Joyce gave a masterclass. I shook hands with many Galway supporters after the match last Sunday and they were great and very sporting and a few said they respect and like Kerry. Great to meet people who disappointed were so sporting. Now of course there are exceptions who are sour and say we win handy all Irelands. Everyone has opinions.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3870 - 28/07/2022 19:20:29    2435158

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Replying To FatLadySinging:  "All this talk emanating from Kerry in the aftermath of the very narrow (and perhaps even lucky) All Ireland win over Galway that they are going to build a dynasty and even emulate the Dublin 5-in-a-row, has all the hallmarks of a serious delusion caused by an uncontrolled sense of ego. Galway has as much chance of creating a dynasty as Kerry or any other county. We have won u20 and u17 All Irelands and have very talented player resources ready to augment the current brilliant squad. Kerry won a lot of soft All Irelands over the years until the championship was restructured. All they had to do each year was beat Cork (usually a fairly easy task), to get into the All Ireland semi-final. Thus, they could bring Sam home by winning just 3 matches. Is it any wonder they are top of the list for titles won? Contrast this with other provinces where counties faced a real dog fight to win out. Those days of soft All Irelands are over for Kerry who are really going to hard earn any future titles.
So they should thank their lucky stars they managed to win this year and forget all talk of a dynasty and show respect to the many fine teams out there who have an equal chance of winning the title. Gaillimh Abu."
Since 2001 when the all Ireland was restructured to give teams a second chance only Dublin have won more all Irelands than kerry (8 to kerrys 6),and let's face it, leinster hasn't exactly been a dogfight in that time.
I think you're being harsh on Cork football there too tbh,as pathetic as they are now, they're 4th on the roll of honour, and if it wasn't for Kerry I'd bet they'd be 2nd or maybe even 1st.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 28/07/2022 19:57:18    2435161

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At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter

fishpond (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 29/07/2022 15:33:40    2435256

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Being a county manager must be a lot more lucrative than realize.They are all backstabbers Jack o Connor in Kildare Colm O'Rourke in meath Liam Cahill in tipp I'm expecting any day now shefflin will drop the hammer on Galway

fishpond (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 29/07/2022 15:46:09    2435260

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Replying To fishpond:  "At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter"
To be honest , I dont think that statement in itself was unbiased. Kerry were probably deserved winners and that statement in itself does not imply impartiality. Maybe he said it with a bit too much glee, but that's splitting hairs. His impartiality , in my mind, was the way he was so definitive about the ref being correct in the incorrect decision re John Daly free. If that wasn't impartiality then it was either blindness or he knows very little about football. Given that he is being considered for he Mayo job , people obviously think that he knows a bit , and he doesn't appear to be blind, so its back to your point, "One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStay can't help him self"

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 29/07/2022 15:49:59    2435261

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Replying To fishpond:  "At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter"
They did deserve it.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2268 - 29/07/2022 16:13:18    2435268

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Replying To fishpond:  "At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter"
Yes and McStay also said emphatically when John Daly was clearly fouled and the referee made a blatant wrong decision to award a free to Kerry which put them 17 - 16 in front: "Fair play to the referee for getting that call right". McStay's bias against Galway was loud and clear. It would of course have been rather embarrassing for Mayo had Galway won but this does not excuse McStay's biased comment. Commentators should be impartial and not be expressing biased opinions. Marty Morrissey also did this during the Galway - Kilkenny camogie semi-final when he seemed to be advocating for a Galway defeat so that the way would be open for a "traditional" final between Cork and Kilkenny. I hope both McStay and Marty keep a lid on it in future. There will be great satisfaction in Galway beating Mayo out the gate if McStay happens to get the Manager's job. Gailimh Abu.

FatLadySinging (Galway) - Posts: 91 - 29/07/2022 18:14:19    2435300

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Replying To fishpond:  "At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter"
To say a team deserved to win after creating the most chances in the match and scoring 4 times more is hardly a statement of untruth.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3590 - 29/07/2022 18:15:44    2435301

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I think your trying to suggest McStay was delighted Galway lost..maybe he was. Sean Ban couldn't contain himself one year Mayo were beat, he was fawning on Radio Kerry.

As for McStay, last year he didn't exactly jump to Eoghan McLoughlains defence after the small challenge. Also take a look back at the 2006 semi final and you'd swear he was a Dublin fan against his native county. Maybe he was trying hard not to be seen as "pro mayo" .

Anyway Kerry on the balance deserved it last Sunday…just mind you. There is nothing biased in saying that.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 29/07/2022 18:17:05    2435302

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Replying To fishpond:  "At the final whistle McStay says "Kerry are all Ireland champions and DESERVEDlY so" One would assume that national broadcasters should be impartial but McStaycan't help him self. I hope he gets the job in mayo it will make beating mayo all the sweeter"
Not a mcstay fan but Kerry were deserving champions. That's not bias it's a fact. He watched the game like all of us.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 29/07/2022 19:45:02    2435310

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "They did deserve it."
Ní féidir gur a' seasamh leis an Ciarraíochaí atá tú, a dheabhail! goa! Shaothraigh siad é, níl a fhios agam ar thuill siad é!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 29/07/2022 20:56:41    2435315

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I wouldn't normally post on another Counties thread but since hoganstand mixed them all up it's a bit of a free for all these days so here goes.

First of all, hard luck on Galway, played a great 65min but they ultimately lost for a number of key reasons:

1. Lock of a bench - or management refusal to use it. In the modern game you need subs coming on regularly from the 45 min so as not to disrupt your game but to have at least 5 fresh men up to speed and fresh enough to make big plays when it counts - Galway didn't have that. If they can gather up Peter Cooke and a few more they can fix that
2. Turnovers. Kerry kicked 8 points from turnovers. In every other aspect of the game Galway broke even or were slightly ahead - possession, attacks, scores from play etc. But someone made the point Kerry (as Dublin used to do) foul your defenders coming out which gives them the time they need to drop back and defend. Galway let Kerry out with turnover ball and couldn't get back into position.

There really want much more to it than that. There are naturally a few calls here and there, but they are marginal and probably balance out. On these:

1 John Daly committed a foul and Comer actually touched the ball on the ground while falling over it just before.
2. Galway keeper shouldn't have been black carded - he pulled the jersey which isnt a black card offence.
3. Spillane took too many steps for a score

But in reality, they didn't effect the game, after 65min Galway were wrecked and Kerry's subs were dominating the game. None of Galways subs impacted the game and that was the difference

I thought Shane Walsh was fabulous and really stood up in the 2nd half to keep Galway in it. However, no man can do it on his own and Galway had no real attacking plan other than to give it to Walsh and see what he can create. When he got tired the game was up.

PS. Someone needs to talk to Walsh about trying Hollywood sideline kicks at the end of matches. It's too low of a percentage shot and the stakes are too high for that. He'd be better served to play a one two and get in field 20m. Despite that, he really impressed me and killed off my previous criticism of his desire when it counted.

Good to see Galway back, I do believe that having Mayo and Galway strong at the same time will push both on to new heights.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1335 - 30/07/2022 08:17:47    2435323

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "To say a team deserved to win after creating the most chances in the match and scoring 4 times more is hardly a statement of untruth."
So 20 is 4 times 16?

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 30/07/2022 11:58:42    2435356

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