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Replying To Pikeman96: "no they are all hurlng cluibs i heard
Have heard nothing about this myself, but could be hurling clubs like Rathnure, Oulart/The Ballagh, and Buffers Alley, who play little or no football at all?
Their whole championship could be as little as three weeks from start to finish with the way things were run these past of couple of years. Even in the "old" way of doing it (two groups of six), their championship would be at most eight weeks out of the whole year. I suppose that's a very short time if you're not taking the football seriously as well for an equal number of weeks." From what ive heard its not just football clubs unhappy with the split season its also hurling only clubs.
A lot of our stronger hurling clubs have designs on winning Leinster club championships and see the break between the end of the County Championship and beginning of the Leisnter Club to be detrimental which i can see to be fair.
Also for clubs who do little or no football its a long time training for a short period of times for games and they see more value in getting in more games in the club championship even if it isnt a split season.
I suppose there are pros and cons for each approach really but just as an aside what other County Boards around the country have decided on a split season?
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Replying To Onfor15: "The term split season has been confused.
It originally meant intercounty first and completed before club championship started.
Wexford for Covid reasons adopted a split season between hurling and football.
However it needs to go back to alternative weeks from 2022 onwards with 2 groups of 6.
It isn't sensible to expect one code to down tools for the duration of the other code for 7/8 weeks. There is no need for it and contrary to popular belief, it hasn't resulted in the championships being any better or of a higher standard.
Both our hurling and football championships were relatively competitive but of a bad standard." Wexford decided to adopt the split in their club campaign given there's so many dual players and clubs, at club level were probably the most dual county in Ireland.
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Evolving this into a club thread for both codes Kilanerin/ Tara Rocks in provincial action this weekend against Arklow Parnells who won Wicklow Intermediate hurling. Heard Rapperees game the following weekend is moved from Sunday to Saturday to facilitate the RTE cameras, downside of this is Nick Doyle will be unavailable as he's playing rugby in Bangor that day.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/11/2021 15:56:36
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Replying To Onfor15: "The term split season has been confused.
It originally meant intercounty first and completed before club championship started.
Wexford for Covid reasons adopted a split season between hurling and football.
However it needs to go back to alternative weeks from 2022 onwards with 2 groups of 6.
It isn't sensible to expect one code to down tools for the duration of the other code for 7/8 weeks. There is no need for it and contrary to popular belief, it hasn't resulted in the championships being any better or of a higher standard.
Both our hurling and football championships were relatively competitive but of a bad standard." On a personal level i would agree with this.
Not sure what the County Boards outlook will be though.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1328 - 16/11/2021 18:25:13
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Replying To tearintom: " Replying To Pikeman96: "no they are all hurlng cluibs i heard
Have heard nothing about this myself, but could be hurling clubs like Rathnure, Oulart/The Ballagh, and Buffers Alley, who play little or no football at all?
Their whole championship could be as little as three weeks from start to finish with the way things were run these past of couple of years. Even in the "old" way of doing it (two groups of six), their championship would be at most eight weeks out of the whole year. I suppose that's a very short time if you're not taking the football seriously as well for an equal number of weeks." From what ive heard its not just football clubs unhappy with the split season its also hurling only clubs. A lot of our stronger hurling clubs have designs on winning Leinster club championships and see the break between the end of the County Championship and beginning of the Leisnter Club to be detrimental which i can see to be fair. Also for clubs who do little or no football its a long time training for a short period of times for games and they see more value in getting in more games in the club championship even if it isnt a split season. I suppose there are pros and cons for each approach really but just as an aside what other County Boards around the country have decided on a split season?"
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 16/11/2021 18:43:20
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Replying To wexico15: "Wexford decided to adopt the split in their club campaign given there's so many dual players and clubs, at club level were probably the most dual county in Ireland." We definitely are.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 16/11/2021 18:43:55
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Replying To wexico15: "Evolving this into a club thread for both codes Kilanerin/ Tara Rocks in provincial action this weekend against Arklow Parnells who won Wicklow Intermediate hurling. Heard Rapperees game the following weekend is moved from Sunday to Saturday to facilitate the RTE cameras, downside of this is Nick Doyle will be unavailable as he's playing rugby in Bangor that day." Hed be hard pushed to last long on the Sunday after playing a competitive Rugby game on Saturday anyway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 16/11/2021 18:45:08
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Split was terrific, don't know what ye lads are on about.
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Replying To Viking66: "Hed be hard pushed to last long on the Sunday after playing a competitive Rugby game on Saturday anyway." He would have no issue with it. Absolute athlete
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Replying To wexico15: "Its a thankless job, no matter how good a job you do, abuse is almost guaranteed, terrible really." Some of the ref decisions last weekend were nothing short of deplorable. And not good enough.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 640 - 17/11/2021 10:17:14
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Replying To icehonesty: "Split was terrific, don't know what ye lads are on about." the hurling isis dont like it, they dont like football getting an equal share of time, football is their scapegoat to cover up for their own failures
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Replying To icehonesty: "Split was terrific, don't know what ye lads are on about." Terrific in what way?
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 17/11/2021 11:09:03
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "the hurling isis dont like it, they dont like football getting an equal share of time, football is their scapegoat to cover up for their own failures" Nonsense comment.
Most of the complaints about the split I've heard have been from football people.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 17/11/2021 11:37:36
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Replying To Onfor15: "Terrific in what way?" I heard lots of good feedback from players and management, I'm sure others felt the opposite too. Personally I don't have a strong opinion I just hope what the consensus is among players and management is the way forward. For the record ourselves Carlow and Waterford were the 3 to run the championship this way and all played hurling 1st, obviously ourselves and Waterford would be considered predominantly hurling counties and Carlow would be predominantly football aside from Mount Leinster Rangers and St Mullins.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 17/11/2021 11:44:27
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There are only 2 options
1. Hurling first, then football
2. Alternate weeks
I believe there are more downfalls with option 1 than option 2.
Others will argue that there is a third option, football first, then hurling.
This would be a disaster for both codes.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 17/11/2021 12:49:46
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Replying To wexico15: "I heard lots of good feedback from players and management, I'm sure others felt the opposite too. Personally I don't have a strong opinion I just hope what the consensus is among players and management is the way forward. For the record ourselves Carlow and Waterford were the 3 to run the championship this way and all played hurling 1st, obviously ourselves and Waterford would be considered predominantly hurling counties and Carlow would be predominantly football aside from Mount Leinster Rangers and St Mullins." Everyone wants to play over the summer regardless of what code it is. Long term I think people will get used to it and you may ever see it develop in that some other code games could be played in between. For example, if a lad plays JB Hurling but senior football how much Hurling is he really doing, why not have a football game midweek? I think it may just require taking risks - not sure it will happen then
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 17/11/2021 13:28:11
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Talk about a split season - how about this for a compromise - and a slight tweak in the current system.
same idea as this year 4 groups of 3 at every grade (this works now for senior after the double relegations)
Three rounds of group games each team plays the other two in the group but on the week that the spare team is off they play a spare team from another group. Guarantees each team 3 group games and each team playing every week.
As this year top team into Quarter final and the 2nd and 3rd team into prelim quarters.
After the group games (hurling first i presume) switch to football. Play the 3 group games. then switch back to hurling play the Championship out then finish the football.
It put pressure on the 3rd and 4th place teams to switch codes in a week but also there is real reward for finishing top of the group. lots of people say that the group games dont matter. This might give them more meaning.
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Replying To indaknownow: "Talk about a split season - how about this for a compromise - and a slight tweak in the current system.
same idea as this year 4 groups of 3 at every grade (this works now for senior after the double relegations)
Three rounds of group games each team plays the other two in the group but on the week that the spare team is off they play a spare team from another group. Guarantees each team 3 group games and each team playing every week.
As this year top team into Quarter final and the 2nd and 3rd team into prelim quarters.
After the group games (hurling first i presume) switch to football. Play the 3 group games. then switch back to hurling play the Championship out then finish the football.
It put pressure on the 3rd and 4th place teams to switch codes in a week but also there is real reward for finishing top of the group. lots of people say that the group games dont matter. This might give them more meaning." I like the look of that idea actually. Will effectively encompass the same time frame too without the slight issue of a team playing week 1 and 2, having a bye in week 3 and possibly lying idle for the preliminary weeks too if they go straight into QFs proper.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 17/11/2021 17:07:53
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Replying To indaknownow: "Talk about a split season - how about this for a compromise - and a slight tweak in the current system.
same idea as this year 4 groups of 3 at every grade (this works now for senior after the double relegations)
Three rounds of group games each team plays the other two in the group but on the week that the spare team is off they play a spare team from another group. Guarantees each team 3 group games and each team playing every week.
As this year top team into Quarter final and the 2nd and 3rd team into prelim quarters.
After the group games (hurling first i presume) switch to football. Play the 3 group games. then switch back to hurling play the Championship out then finish the football.
It put pressure on the 3rd and 4th place teams to switch codes in a week but also there is real reward for finishing top of the group. lots of people say that the group games dont matter. This might give them more meaning." I think they have done a structure in the last 2 years in Limerick have a block of hurling for the group games, then football group games followed by hurling knock outs etc.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 17/11/2021 17:21:42
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Replying To zinny: "Everyone wants to play over the summer regardless of what code it is. Long term I think people will get used to it and you may ever see it develop in that some other code games could be played in between. For example, if a lad plays JB Hurling but senior football how much Hurling is he really doing, why not have a football game midweek? I think it may just require taking risks - not sure it will happen then" Think most clubs best 5 players in either code would play for the clubs best 15 in the other code. Most of the top players are top players in both codes.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 17/11/2021 19:24:21
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