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St mary's maudlintown depend a lot on the transfers, paul murphy, Mark o Connor, callum and Warren broader that's 4 I know off, all descent players, underage always plays in lower division, that was last chance of going senior will go down hill from now on,
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 14/11/2021 19:43:17
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4km from Foley's to The Porter House, the 2 clubs could nearly have joint celebrations tonight.
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Both games very similar, the final scoreline perhaps didn't reflect how well both won their games. Great weekend for the Shels as the Ladies also won the Senior..
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 15/11/2021 10:04:41
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Replying To beano: "I would say having a generational talent like PJ and three county quality forwards on top of that, yet leaking scores like a sieve is a system issue is entirely down to the coaching. Past heartbreak from them yeah, but no harm having rivals." If you genuinely believe that leaking scores is "entirely down to coaching" then that is a very simplistic view of football and shows a lack of knowledge of the issues.
Your comment regarding Good Counsel suggests this is more of a personal issue than a genuine critique of coaching ability.
Azamat (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 15/11/2021 10:09:10
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Two Decent games in the park yesterday. I attended the two games in Ross on Saturday and the Two games in the park. I just want to come back to the issue of Referees again. A couple of weeks ago the eminent Journalists were on a crusade against the appointment of a select few referees to the big games. As a player i always want the best referee i can get. and to be fair i thought the 4 referees i saw all did really well. 4 fairly tight games (one particularly dour one - the relegation final) but in all cases you would have to say the referees did well and the games were decided by the teams.
However the Abuse coming from all angles at the referees was unbelieveable. In the relegation game i was seated close to a lot of Fethard supporters. The called him every name under the Sun a black ****, a cheating C*** a blind F***. Even when he black carded the Sarsfield guy they werent happy. He wasn't free from abuse from the Sars Supporters either but the seemed to soften to him after they got their goal!!
Onto yesterday I had the pleasure of sitting close to a particular Maudlintown supporter yesterday who entertained me for two hours. From first whistle to last he abused referees in both Games. i was particularly bemused by his performance in the second game where he had no allegience to either team but seemed intent on questioning every decision of the referee no matter which way he gave it. (as an aside i heard the same guy mention that he hadn't gotten the Covid jab because its all a scam!!)
I've never seen the likes of it but i wonder is it a reflection of the way things are going where there is a cohort of people think its fine to criticise referees. It wont be long until we have no one refereeing at this rate.
In summary i think the 4 referees i saw this weekend did really well.. Fair play to them and fair play to the County board for appointing good referees to big games.
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Would agree there were two worthy winners in Wexford Park yesterday, and that both were more dominant than the final scorelines suggest.
Unfortunately, also have to agree about the levels of abuse being directed at referees. It's a serious problem that I think is becoming even more serious.
Was within earshot myself at a recent match of one particular person who holds certain roles that mean he really should know better, but heard him shouting things like "that b*** is giving everything against us" and "you'll get nothing from that c*** unless it's right under his nose".
I've done all sorts of jobs myself in GAA and I'm sure there are many more ahead of me, but one job I'd never do is referee.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 15/11/2021 10:59:28
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Would agree there were two worthy winners in Wexford Park yesterday, and that both were more dominant than the final scorelines suggest.
Unfortunately, also have to agree about the levels of abuse being directed at referees. It's a serious problem that I think is becoming even more serious.
Was within earshot myself at a recent match of one particular person who holds certain roles that mean he really should know better, but heard him shouting things like "that b*** is giving everything against us" and "you'll get nothing from that c*** unless it's right under his nose".
I've done all sorts of jobs myself in GAA and I'm sure there are many more ahead of me, but one job I'd never do is referee." Its a thankless job, no matter how good a job you do, abuse is almost guaranteed, terrible really.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/11/2021 11:15:15
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Replying To Azamat: "If you genuinely believe that leaking scores is "entirely down to coaching" then that is a very simplistic view of football and shows a lack of knowledge of the issues.
Your comment regarding Good Counsel suggests this is more of a personal issue than a genuine critique of coaching ability." I bet I have better understanding of the game than yourself. Any coach would look at his tools, see that they are top heavy in terms of attacking talent, and so protect the defence. Whether that is leaving your three best forwards up front and flooding back bodies or whatever. No point scoring 2-12 if your conceding more at the other end.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 15/11/2021 11:29:00
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On the abuse to referees is shocking. Looking at Twitter on Saturday night, a person tweeting shocking abuse at the referee of the junior football final even after they won. Tweeting later that night how bad he was, a Kilrush supporter and being retweeted by the club account. The official kilrush/Askamore account also went on a tirade against a referee earlier in the championship. Absolutely shocking stuff. I couldn't believe what I was reading. Obviously a problem in the club
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 15/11/2021 12:08:25
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Also just on the matches at the weekend. Shelmaliers must be the best dual club in the county. Senior football, minor hurling, ladies football. All grades hurling at top levels, population increase in recent years no doubt helped but will be at the top or close to it for a number of years in both mens and ladies.
The intermediate went as expected. Serious from Crossabeg, relegated from Senior hurling about 16 years ago ( could not wrong on the date) and now back senior in hurling and football. Again population increase has helped but some achievement.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 15/11/2021 12:14:54
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Replying To beano: "I bet I have better understanding of the game than yourself. Any coach would look at his tools, see that they are top heavy in terms of attacking talent, and so protect the defence. Whether that is leaving your three best forwards up front and flooding back bodies or whatever. No point scoring 2-12 if your conceding more at the other end." I think this whole Horeswood debate is a bit disingenuous, they had a golden generation who were successful at underage and then guided them to 4 senior county titles from 2005-11, the majority of them aged together and like many clubs there Senior team regressed, they actually haven't made a semi final or final sense 2011 and were also relegated in 2018, to throw mud at the current management is a bit mad really, their relegation was alot less surprising then Fethard given their recent championship record.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/11/2021 12:34:13
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Replying To beano: "I bet I have better understanding of the game than yourself. Any coach would look at his tools, see that they are top heavy in terms of attacking talent, and so protect the defence. Whether that is leaving your three best forwards up front and flooding back bodies or whatever. No point scoring 2-12 if your conceding more at the other end." I have no idea what teams you have coached/managed or what honours you have won, so I'm not going to get in to a childish debate over who has a better understanding of the game.
However, I take from your comments that you have coached teams at a high level, so you must admit that it is simplistic to say "team concedes lots so you just put everyone back behind the ball". There are so many other factors to making systems work and a lot depends on the profile of players, squad depth, commitment of players etc. It is not entirely down to a coach, as you state.
Also, The tactic of flooding bodies back and leaving a few forwards up field has failed for lots of teams and is becoming an outdated tactic.
Azamat (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 15/11/2021 12:45:25
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3 worthy winners in Shels, Crossabeg and Clongeen. A number of the Shels players Ross Banville, Aidan Cash, Conor Hearne, Eoghan Nolan, Arnie Murphy and Jody Donohoe all had their performance of the year yesterday, taught Simon Donohoe was outstanding while as a defensive unit they nullified the threats of Rossiter, Mini and Greame Cullen as well as expected. Ronan Devereux and Paidi Foley were outstanding for Crossabeg, Devereux cut off the supply to Spot Murphy and was a driving force along with Foley. I think they're better equipped to compete at Senior Football rather than hurling. It will be tough to Maudlintown to get to the final next year with Fethard and Gorey looking particularly strong intermediate teams along with the likes of Ferns or Horeswood on a similar level to the Marys.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/11/2021 12:49:35
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Replying To wexico15: "I think this whole Horeswood debate is a bit disingenuous, they had a golden generation who were successful at underage and then guided them to 4 senior county titles from 2005-11, the majority of them aged together and like many clubs there Senior team regressed, they actually haven't made a semi final or final sense 2011 and were also relegated in 2018, to throw mud at the current management is a bit mad really, their relegation was alot less surprising then Fethard given their recent championship record." Sorry they were relegated in 17 and won intermediate in 18
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/11/2021 12:50:12
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Also just on the matches at the weekend. Shelmaliers must be the best dual club in the county. Senior football, minor hurling, ladies football. All grades hurling at top levels, population increase in recent years no doubt helped but will be at the top or close to it for a number of years in both mens and ladies.
The intermediate went as expected. Serious from Crossabeg, relegated from Senior hurling about 16 years ago ( could not wrong on the date) and now back senior in hurling and football. Again population increase has helped but some achievement." In fairness to them 3 senior titles in 4 years across the 2 codes is a excellent return.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/11/2021 12:57:55
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On a different note altogether...now that we're almost finished with this year's championships, what does anybody think about how next year's should be run, and specifically about the split club season between hurling and football?
Don't mind admitting I'm more of a hurling man myself and gut reaction would normally be to say keep the hurling first, on what's generally better pitches and in what's generally better weather during July/August/September. For example, don't think anybody would argue with the statement that conditions in Wexford Park yesterday were dull and dreary, and wouldn't exactly be ideal for hurling.
On the other hand, you could also get a clear and bright day like today, when you could hurl all right. And other counties like Kilkenny, Cork, Dublin, Tipp, etc., are all having their semi-finals and finals over these few weeks. THere's also the consideration that Wexford champions would surely be at a big disadvantage for the provincial championship every year if they've an eight or ten week gap between the county final and their first match in Leinster.
So, just wondering what anybody thinks?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 15/11/2021 13:25:34
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Senior team of the year:
Craig McCabe (Shels)- adapted seamlessly to his new role.
Joe Barrett (St.Martin's)- excellent all year, although I thought it was curious moving up to wing-forward in the semi-final.
Billy Kelly (HWH)- perhaps the stickiest marker in the championship this year.
Graham Staples (Shels)- his goal in the semi was the highlight of a solid campaign.
Rory O'Connor (St.Martin's)- was my footballer of the year right up the semis. Outstanding in both codes.
Gavin Sheehan (Gusserane)- the spiritual leader of Gusserane, just pips his team-mate Mark O'Neill to a spot.
Glen Malone (Shels)- back to his best, hopefully he comes back into the county set-up.
Martin O'Connor (HWH)- outstanding player and my pick as captain of the county team.
Sean Keane Carroll (Shels)- strong ball winner and powerful runner.
Robbie Brooks (Castletown)- best performer for the North county men by a distance.
Brian Malone (Shels)- revolutionised up front, has had some career. Could he be a link-man for Wexford next year in one last hurrah?
John Dunne (HWH)- the amount of work he does off the ball is unreal. Best display was vs Starlights, but generally good every day.
Darren Codd (St.Martin's)- was the top scorer of the entire championship before yesterday's final, under-rated.
Mark Rossiter (Gusserane)- one of the dealiest finishers in the game, a joy to watch in full flow.
Sean Ryan (Gusserane)- possesses a great goal threat, was back to his elusive best this year.
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And speaking of unneccessary abuse of officials, I was at a game during the hurling season of one of the clubs that were crowned champions this weekend. Was junior B, but not knock-out. The referee was getting a barrage of abuse all match, and wasn't to blame at all for this club losing, and a spectator casually walked onto the field to confront him afterwards and without a hint of irony told him 'he should be ashamed of himself'. Scandalous carry on.
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Non-senior team of year:
Dylan Owens (Maudlintown)- no stand-out candidate so plumped for a lad whose heroics in the semi-final penalty shoot-out saw them through.
Tommy Devereux (Kilrush)- rocky steady presence for them all year, great servant for club.
Alex Lynch (Mauldintown)- in my opinion, one of the most under-rated defenders in any grade.
Jamie Keating (Clongeen)- driving force for his side all year as they return to the second tier.
Brian Cushe (Naomh Eanna)- this fella has a bucket load of talent, his display vs Ferns was one of the best I seen all year.
Ronan Devereux (Crossabeg)- as wexico said, he is the leader of a good Crossabeg side. Wexford really are blessed with good defenders recently.
Michael Sweeney (Monageer)- consistently among the best performers in the junior grade, was the man of the hour in their semi win.
Paddy Devereux (Crossabeg)- as good a midfielder as there is around, his loss to Canada is a blow for club and county.
Paudie Foley (Crossabeg)- as good with the big ball as he is with the sliothar. Consistenly excellent for the new champs.
Cian Molloy (Naomh Eanna)- always seemed to pop up with a crucial score when Gorey needed it.
Connall Flood (Cloughbawn)- another county hurler who is a very handy footballer.
Daryl Murphy (Clongeen)- goal scoring threat who really caught the eye.
Bob Whitty (Cloughbawn)- unlucky to miss out on one of my team of the week selections, his good form is acknowledged now.
Paul Murphy (Maudlintown)- automatic inclusion as the catalyst to St.Mary's march to the final.
Tomas Kinsella (Kilrush)- excellent prospect. Scored the difference making goal in the semi-final and conjured up a goal out of nothing in the final too.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "On a different note altogether...now that we're almost finished with this year's championships, what does anybody think about how next year's should be run, and specifically about the split club season between hurling and football?
Don't mind admitting I'm more of a hurling man myself and gut reaction would normally be to say keep the hurling first, on what's generally better pitches and in what's generally better weather during July/August/September. For example, don't think anybody would argue with the statement that conditions in Wexford Park yesterday were dull and dreary, and wouldn't exactly be ideal for hurling.
On the other hand, you could also get a clear and bright day like today, when you could hurl all right. And other counties like Kilkenny, Cork, Dublin, Tipp, etc., are all having their semi-finals and finals over these few weeks. THere's also the consideration that Wexford champions would surely be at a big disadvantage for the provincial championship every year if they've an eight or ten week gap between the county final and their first match in Leinster.
So, just wondering what anybody thinks?" I could be wrong but was it not the case that when the split season was first brought in that for the first 2 years it was to be Hurling first and then flipping to football first for 2 years (could be completely wrong on that)
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