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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Kildare need a Kildare man to manage, a Kildare man to coach, a Kildare man to do video analysis, a Kildare man to wash the jerseys etc etc Kildare have tried outsiders for Donkeys years and are the great underachievers of the GAA. When James Hiram first took over Mayo he said his main goal was to "cut the bullsht from Mayo football". They have made a semi final every year since bar 1. Time for Kildare to get in a man to do the same" Over the last 30 years, Kildare (both supporters and players) seem to prefer (be happier) with a manager from outside Kildare; not sure why. When you look at people who have managed Kildare from the county Crofton, Earley (via Roscommon) and Cian O'Neill to name three, all three men had great reputations both in and outside the county but had unpleasant endings to the relationship. Plus I can't really understand the disregard within the county for Glen Ryan, probably Kildare's greatest ever player. On the other hand, external managers have thrived, the likes of Micko (probably the exception to every rule) and in particular McGeeney were worshiped, although I'm not sure if Kieran McGeeney warranted the status he was given overall, these outsiders thrived in Kildare and probably got the most out of Kildare in the last 30 years. As a Wicklow supporter with close ties to Kildare, I was disappointed to see Davy Burke leave Wicklow as he was making real progress and was highly respected by the players and the supporters alike. I think Davy Burke deserves a shot at the job and were he to get it, I would wish him all the best. wicklowsupport (Wicklow)* - Posts: 1913 - 07/09/2021 16:19:04 2378568 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "The Kildare senior hurling championship should be interesting next year..." The same shower might let him tog out for them again. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 07/09/2021 17:11:54 2378585 Link
Replying To wicklowsupport: "Over the last 30 years, Kildare (both supporters and players) seem to prefer (be happier) with a manager from outside Kildare; not sure why. When you look at people who have managed Kildare from the county Crofton, Earley (via Roscommon) and Cian O'Neill to name three, all three men had great reputations both in and outside the county but had unpleasant endings to the relationship. Plus I can't really understand the disregard within the county for Glen Ryan, probably Kildare's greatest ever player. On the other hand, external managers have thrived, the likes of Micko (probably the exception to every rule) and in particular McGeeney were worshiped, although I'm not sure if Kieran McGeeney warranted the status he was given overall, these outsiders thrived in Kildare and probably got the most out of Kildare in the last 30 years. As a Wicklow supporter with close ties to Kildare, I was disappointed to see Davy Burke leave Wicklow as he was making real progress and was highly respected by the players and the supporters alike. I think Davy Burke deserves a shot at the job and were he to get it, I would wish him all the best." What point are you striving to make? That Kildare would be better off with a Kildare native managing them? What about Wicklow do? Micko, Johnny McGee, Davy Burke, and I'm sure the list doesn't end there! All Wicklow men? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1925 - 07/09/2021 17:25:29 2378594 Link
Not sure about all these big name outside mamagers. Maybe some are more sincere. gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 636 - 07/09/2021 20:06:32 2378623 Link
Jack taking kerry job. Daithi Burke new kildare manager. kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 07/09/2021 20:41:37 2378630 Link
Replying To kerry4sam21: "Jack taking kerry job. Daithi Burke new kildare manager." - - - but have you anything new to tell us. ? supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 07/09/2021 21:41:44 2378644 Link
I rate him as a manager. He first took over kerry in 04 when it looked like kerry would be left behind by the northern teams, and while they continued to struggle against tyrone, he helped build a team that did reach the next 6 finals, winning 4. It is however almost a decade since he took charge of a team in a big game in Croker and the sport has changed. Also, the manner of his departure from kildare is far from ideal (and he won't be on peter keanes Christmas card list either). I'll be interested to see how he gets on. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1717 - 07/09/2021 21:58:09 2378651 Link
There's only one stand out candidate and that's Davy Burke. He'd have huge support behind him from the supporters and by all accounts the players favour him as well. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/09/2021 02:26:30 2378693 Link
Replying To kerry4sam21: "Jack taking kerry job. Daithi Burke new kildare manager." On the other hand - Kerry could do with some outside help - maybe not manager but definitely a coach with new ideas regarding defence and a running game are required They all thought Cian O Neill has some far out ideas but he helped keep a poor team very competitive and they always had the ability to vary their tactics tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1125 - 08/09/2021 03:28:09 2378696 Link
He has never really recovered from the Tyrone era. He simply couldn't and wouldn't give Tyrone their dues when they blew his team out of the water. Came across as a really, really bad loser with all sorts of excuses and whinging. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 08/09/2021 04:17:13 2378700 Link
Replying To wicklowsupport: "Over the last 30 years, Kildare (both supporters and players) seem to prefer (be happier) with a manager from outside Kildare; not sure why. When you look at people who have managed Kildare from the county Crofton, Earley (via Roscommon) and Cian O'Neill to name three, all three men had great reputations both in and outside the county but had unpleasant endings to the relationship. Plus I can't really understand the disregard within the county for Glen Ryan, probably Kildare's greatest ever player. On the other hand, external managers have thrived, the likes of Micko (probably the exception to every rule) and in particular McGeeney were worshiped, although I'm not sure if Kieran McGeeney warranted the status he was given overall, these outsiders thrived in Kildare and probably got the most out of Kildare in the last 30 years. As a Wicklow supporter with close ties to Kildare, I was disappointed to see Davy Burke leave Wicklow as he was making real progress and was highly respected by the players and the supporters alike. I think Davy Burke deserves a shot at the job and were he to get it, I would wish him all the best." People romanticise McGeeney as in hindsight, he had us the most competitive we've been in the last 20 years, but his critics certainly existed towards the end. As for Kildare people generally preferring outsiders, I'd say it's a mixed bag. Either way, the current support in the county is completely and overwhelmingly for Davy Burke. Please god the CB back him. Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 08/09/2021 10:31:56 2378720 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "He has never really recovered from the Tyrone era. He simply couldn't and wouldn't give Tyrone their dues when they blew his team out of the water. Came across as a really, really bad loser with all sorts of excuses and whinging." Who hasn't recovered from the Tyrone era Ulsterman? Do you mean Jack? Jack was in charge of Kerry for 2 games against Tyrone at senior level, In 2005 we lost to the better team on the day but Jack brought us back to win the allireland in 06 so did he not recover from losing to Tyrone? He left the job in 06 and came back in 09 and won the allireland at the first time of asking, again I ask did he not get over losing to Tyrone in 05? In 2012 we beat Tyrone in the 3rd round qualifier knocking them out of the championship so the 2005 loss to Tyrone didn't seem to knock him back too much as he didn't lose to Tyrone with Kerry again and won 2 more senior allirelands in the mean time. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/09/2021 11:30:21 2378736 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "On the other hand - Kerry could do with some outside help - maybe not manager but definitely a coach with new ideas regarding defence and a running game are required They all thought Cian O Neill has some far out ideas but he helped keep a poor team very competitive and they always had the ability to vary their tactics" "Kerry could do with some outside help"......that's a good one coming from a Mayo man!! Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 08/09/2021 11:35:21 2378738 Link
Jack O Connor elevated Kildare football, he owes them nothing. I get the feeling that some Kildare folks are trying to make a story out of a podcast just to be in the news. He had to manage expectations to some extent while leaving the county in a better place. It's a non-story, Jack was honest about his thoughts about Kerry job. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1670 - 08/09/2021 12:29:27 2378749 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "He has never really recovered from the Tyrone era. He simply couldn't and wouldn't give Tyrone their dues when they blew his team out of the water. Came across as a really, really bad loser with all sorts of excuses and whinging." If 'never really recovered' from Tyrone means winning the next year's All-Ireland after his one and only championship defeat to Tyrone and coming back and winning another All-Ireland in his second stint then I'm glad he never recovered. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/09/2021 12:33:48 2378750 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "He has never really recovered from the Tyrone era. He simply couldn't and wouldn't give Tyrone their dues when they blew his team out of the water. Came across as a really, really bad loser with all sorts of excuses and whinging." Jack ó Connor as Kerry manager only managed Kerry against Tyrone twice ever in championship football. Once a loss in all ireland final and the other a victory in 2012 qualifiers. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 08/09/2021 12:34:29 2378751 Link
McGeeney got on the wrong side of the clubs on more than one occasion and he ultimately paid the price for that. We were competitive to a degree without being overly successful I would say. McGeeney had players like Earley, Doyle and Leper Callaghan all in their prime and couldn't deliver a Leinster title against a Dubs team who were strong but nowhere near the animal they became in the last 7-8 years. We could argue that we should have beaten Down in the All-Ireland semi final but for a poor decision the Pat McEnaney and umpires made. A lot of Kildare fans fail to recall that he also let Eamonn Callaghan away with 8 steps for his goal in the second half. Ultimately McGeeneys tenure came to a natural conclusion you would feel. Regarding JOC well his comments when still in charge of Kildare were totally disrespectful. If he was looking for the Kerry job he should have and could have gone about it in a different manner. He could have sat down with the Kildare executive and said he was leaving by mutual consent or something. I think though it's right that he steps down and we look elsewhere. We saw this year how vulnerable the Dubs but we still looked intimidated by them and stood off at vital times. Will JOC take the Kerry job? I'm not sure why Kerry would want him . Times have moved on and progress doesn't wait. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/09/2021 12:57:02 2378764 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "People romanticise McGeeney as in hindsight, he had us the most competitive we've been in the last 20 years, but his critics certainly existed towards the end. As for Kildare people generally preferring outsiders, I'd say it's a mixed bag. Either way, the current support in the county is completely and overwhelmingly for Davy Burke. Please god the CB back him." For historic reasons I can't see Davy Burke getting the Kildare job, but I can see him travelling a bit further. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 08/09/2021 13:01:02 2378766 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "He has never really recovered from the Tyrone era. He simply couldn't and wouldn't give Tyrone their dues when they blew his team out of the water. Came across as a really, really bad loser with all sorts of excuses and whinging." We beat Tyrone in 2012 under Jack. kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 08/09/2021 13:35:44 2378774 Link
kildare is hurling county now. kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 08/09/2021 13:36:41 2378775 Link