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Curb your anti kerry bias, had you bothered to read Jack o Connors book you would have seen that he was happy to give tyrone their due, on the 05 final, "we were out fought avd out thought by a superior tyrone team",, he also acknowledged that tyrones injury crisis in 06 essentially paved the way for Kerry to win Sam that year. Your anti kerry /Southern prejudice always clouds your thinking, poor thing. Hugs and kisses xxx Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1717 - 08/09/2021 13:48:04 2378778 Link 3 |
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McGeeney did a great job motivating the team and generally got the best out of the individuals. With hindsight his team probably could have done a bit better in Leinster and should have won a Leinster championship but kept failing into the qualifiers where the team got on a roll and looked good. There often seemed to be a bit of a tactical shortfall that could have got the lads over the line in tight matches. Its strange that since McGeeney took over in 2008; the only Kildareman to get the job was Cian O'Neill and even he was outside Kildare for some time. We went for outside men when other counties were taking on Glen Ryan, Anthony Rainbow, Tom Cribbin and even Larry Tompkins! I think it was a mistake to replace McGeeney with Jason Ryan and it was a shame that Glen Ryan wasn't given the job at that stage once the dust had settled. I'd say give Davy Burke the job right now. If you can win an All Ireland with Kildare at any level you deserve a chance to see what you can do with the team at senior level. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 08/09/2021 13:57:44 2378782 Link 1 |
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Ya I'd say unless we were throwing rose petals at the feet of ulster teams ulsterman wouldn't be happy, interesting that he said his bit and disappeared and doesn't retract or debate his comments, but there you go.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/09/2021 16:20:31 2378837 Link 3 |
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Things are bad enough in Galway hurling without losing one of our best players to manage Kildare.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 08/09/2021 17:19:09 2378845 Link 1 |
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I would give Jack O'Connor the benefit of the doubt in terms of the podcast interview. After all he is from Kerry so naturally he wants to manage Kerry, just like Davy Burke wants to manage Kildare. Should he have shown more respect to Kildare as he was still their manager, yes, should he have shown respect to the current Kerry manager who is still managing Kerry, yes he should. But unless I am missing something, there isn't an opening in Kerry and even if there was, would Kerry give it to him? I doubt it. Especially when you see how he setup Kildare against a vulnerable Dublin team in this year's Leinster final. Plus this would be his third stint in charge of Kerry, surely there is a young manager in Kerry who could take the reins if the opportunity arises in the short term. From Kildare's perspective, I think the bigger crime in relation to Jack was his approach to this year's Leinster final, more so than what he said in the podcast. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1913 - 08/09/2021 18:01:40 2378856 Link 0 |
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PK's 3 year term is up so the post is vacant as far as I'm aware.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/09/2021 19:03:23 2378869 Link 1 |
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Yes agreed. I read Jack's book and he did nt make excuses. He said he hated losing to Tyrone more than anyone but no whinging or excuses. I would nt take much notice of a poster that makes a false post and then can't apologise for it. Its just a bitter rant hoping others believe the bs.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 08/09/2021 21:12:52 2378904 Link 2 |
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Agreed. I wasn't happy with Jack pre podcast, let alone after. Plenty of posters here seem to suggest that Kildare should be happy with anyone that has had us slightly above mediocre, but as a football county with a large population, strong club scene, lots of industry and potential for financial backing, there comes a time where you have to demand a little bit bloody more from the county board and the quality of a man we put in charge of cultivating success. Because it's been fairly non existent.
Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 08/09/2021 22:22:47 2378932 Link 1 |
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100%.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/09/2021 22:37:00 2378939 Link 1 |
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100% Mick, Not too many people like Jack for 1 reason or another but credit where its due he's won a fair bit as manager and I'd say a lot of people thought Jack was in charge of Kerry for the 3 defeats to Tyrone in the 00s but it was only 2005.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/09/2021 22:42:01 2378940 Link 1 |
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Nobody said he owes us anything except maybe a bit of respect for the players he managed and the supporters who backed him for two years. I really doubt the Galway fans would be thrilled with their manager making doe eyes at another county job, no matter what that job was. You are either all in or all out. Now give the job to Davy Burke.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 09/09/2021 00:10:59 2378948 Link 0 |
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The CB better come up with someone really good if they don't give it to Burke. They have overlooked him once already and he has the overwhelming support of the Kildare faithful.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 09/09/2021 00:15:21 2378949 Link 0 |
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Was J ack only slightly more than mediocre? He's won allirelands at schools minor U21s and senior.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/09/2021 16:21:08 2379119 Link 2 |
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In a mediocre county, with mediocre material, Yes! In a county steeped in tradition and talent, Jack was a high-flier!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1925 - 09/09/2021 17:09:55 2379142 Link 1 |
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But he got promotion to div1 with kildare, that's not mediocre he got them to 2 leinster finals where they lost to dublin, all this in years where Covid have ravaged many managers plans so its hard to judge him on that.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/09/2021 22:44:07 2379205 Link 2 |
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I can think of 30 managers, very quickly, off the top of my head who would've given the dubs a better rattle with the "mediocre material" we have to offer. The game has come a long way from the naughties…
Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 09/09/2021 23:22:03 2379212 Link 3 |
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Doesn't help when the manager has a mediocre attitude.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 10/09/2021 02:01:18 2379218 Link 3 |
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The issue for me and any other Kildare folk I talk to, is we've all seen what the lads on the team can do. We saw it vs Mayo in Newbridge. We saw it in the follow up super 8 games, where a bounce of the ball in a couple of games would've had us in a semi. We saw it in this years league, vs Meath. We saw it in the u20s who won the all Ireland without the best player at that age group in the county. Kildare need someone that can install the confidence and pride in the players that will have them producing that kind of performance for 70+ minutes, week in, week out and anyone that lines a team up for damage limitation vs a vulnerable Dublin, is not that man. Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 10/09/2021 09:39:54 2379245 Link 3 |
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I agree. Obviously Kildare are in a much better situation than my own county but it can be frustrating when there are certain elements there like large population, a strong club scene and yet it doesn't seem to manifest itself at inter county level. As I say, Kildare seem to be going in the right direction while my own county seems to make small progress but are falling behind at a faster rate than the progress being made. No disrespect to Kildare but it does appear that they picked Jack O'Connor two years ago ahead of Davy Burke based upon his name and reputation which was probably a mistake. I follow club football in both counties and I could never understand what Jack O'Connor's role was with Moorefield. ON the other hand, could Ross Galvin be a dark horse for the Kildare job based upon what he achieved with Moorefield and the fact that he was part of Jack O'Connor's background team?
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1913 - 10/09/2021 10:23:32 2379262 Link 0 |
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1 Leinster Final. Meath beat Kildare last year in the Semis. Kildare put up a poor showing against Dublin in the Leinster final, when Meath asked more questions in the semi.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 10/09/2021 10:48:05 2379269 Link 0 |