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Joe Canning Retiring

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Replying To katser:  "That was a once off occasion and Portumna certainly got their revenge on Loughrea by letting hurling do the talking (beat them in every game since)
But limrik in every match they played Galway had Joe singled out for horrific treatment!"
'A once off occasion' and they assaulting the young lad when he he down on the ground and unable to defend himself. Could you get anything more cowardly. My point is the County Board failed the young lad and that was a dirtier assault that he ever got from Limerick, and that includes Hegarty's strike. The fact is the Canning Family were incensed that Galway County Board did nothing about it. You can rationalise it all day, but it was a scandalous way to treat such a fine young and talented player. Indeed we all know what goes on with Loughrea, we have only to look at the Johnny Maher film on utube to see how players are 'protected by referees in Galway. We need to take no lectures on dirty play from ye anyway. I have watched Joe Canning playing against Limerick on several occasions and apart from Hegarty's strike, anything else that happened him was pretty mundane indeed. Apart from all that, he was lucky himself not to be put off for a strike on a young Na Piarsaigh player in the 2013 Semi Final in Thurles, which was just as blatant a strike as Hegarty's on him.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 29/07/2021 19:39:12    2365606

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Replying To Mailman98:  "Take no notice. I guarantee you Joe would love to play with this Limerick team. With the exception of Daithi and David Burke and Conor Whelan for Galway Joe played with very few men worthy of being on the same field as him. This Limerick team have winning mentality in every position. I'm pretty sure it played a part in Joe's decision to retire that he saw no prospect of Galway getting the better of them for many years to come."
Thanks Mailman, you reflect what most Galway hurling men think. I feel that better days are ahead for your side in the not too distant future.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 29/07/2021 19:43:08    2365607

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Replying To Viking66:  "Apart from East Galway the other 2 areas where it never died out over the centuries were the glens of Antrim and Wexford."
What is your source for this. Paul Rouse in his recent Publication mentions other areas where hurling ran deep, as well as these areas.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 29/07/2021 20:31:20    2365614

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Fully fit and in his pomp, he's up there as one of the greatest players I've ever seen live in either code. Carrying out feats of ridiculous skill that left the crowd in awe.

I saw his interview. He seems absolutely satisfied with his decision. He appeared to be very much done. I've no doubt he'll have a lot of success off the field.

The very best of luck to him out there with us mere mortals.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 29/07/2021 21:12:04    2365619

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Best of luck to Joe Canning on his retirement, it's the end of an era of a legend in the inter-county game and I don't say that lightly. I could be open to correction here but was he a minor at 15, first time I saw him play live was an all-Ireland minor final in 2005 you could tell then he was going to be a star. He lit up the Fitzgibbon cup when he was playing for LIT, when I was on block release I went out to watch a LIT vs UL game he was the difference between the teams. If I remember correctly he caught a puck out in the dieing seconds and put it over the bar to draw the match and put LIT into the playoffs and knocked out the UL. He had it all talent, skill, size and power. Side-lines, frees, goals and points from play he made it all look easy, I'm happy for him he has his senior all Ireland medal with his minor/u21/Fitzgibbon and club all Ireland's.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 30/07/2021 00:14:43    2365652

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What is your source for this. Paul Rouse in his recent Publication mentions other areas where hurling ran deep, as well as these areas."
Among others Wikipedia which I have just checked and confirmed most of what I had heard over the years. Didnt know Wikipedia had a history of hurling but no doubt the references cited in it would make interesting reading too. In the section about the 19th century it points out that hurling had died out everywhere, due probably to the Act of Union in a concerted attempt to persecute "Irishness", except South East Galway, North Wexford and around Cork City ( I didnt know about about the Rebels continuous connection!). I do however know, from my time living up there, that Antrim folk are proud of the fact that hurling has been played there continuously since probably prehistory in some form or another. There are other written references to Wexford hurling including the one which is where the "yellowbelly" name came from on account of the yellow sashes a Wexford team wore when playing a team from Cornwall in think the 17th century.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3511 - 30/07/2021 07:46:09    2365663

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "'A once off occasion' and they assaulting the young lad when he he down on the ground and unable to defend himself. Could you get anything more cowardly. My point is the County Board failed the young lad and that was a dirtier assault that he ever got from Limerick, and that includes Hegarty's strike. The fact is the Canning Family were incensed that Galway County Board did nothing about it. You can rationalise it all day, but it was a scandalous way to treat such a fine young and talented player. Indeed we all know what goes on with Loughrea, we have only to look at the Johnny Maher film on utube to see how players are 'protected by referees in Galway. We need to take no lectures on dirty play from ye anyway. I have watched Joe Canning playing against Limerick on several occasions and apart from Hegarty's strike, anything else that happened him was pretty mundane indeed. Apart from all that, he was lucky himself not to be put off for a strike on a young Na Piarsaigh player in the 2013 Semi Final in Thurles, which was just as blatant a strike as Hegarty's on him."
Ah hello.... Joe got injured by Mr no5 in a league game in limrik 2020 when they nearly broke his elbow!
Also league game v limrik in 2019 which put him out for the Championship through been injured.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1412 - 30/07/2021 08:12:54    2365669

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "'A once off occasion' and they assaulting the young lad when he he down on the ground and unable to defend himself. Could you get anything more cowardly. My point is the County Board failed the young lad and that was a dirtier assault that he ever got from Limerick, and that includes Hegarty's strike. The fact is the Canning Family were incensed that Galway County Board did nothing about it. You can rationalise it all day, but it was a scandalous way to treat such a fine young and talented player. Indeed we all know what goes on with Loughrea, we have only to look at the Johnny Maher film on utube to see how players are 'protected by referees in Galway. We need to take no lectures on dirty play from ye anyway. I have watched Joe Canning playing against Limerick on several occasions and apart from Hegarty's strike, anything else that happened him was pretty mundane indeed. Apart from all that, he was lucky himself not to be put off for a strike on a young Na Piarsaigh player in the 2013 Semi Final in Thurles, which was just as blatant a strike as Hegarty's on him."
I withdraw the part of the above about that incident in '13, It was a gross exaggeration Joe's indiscretion it was as bad as Hegarty's pull on Joe, and anyway it was eight years ago and it is time to forget about it. Like everyone else, I agree that Joe was a great hurler and sportsman and right well deserves all the plaudits he has got since he announced his intention to go. and I wish him all the best on his retirement.
Having if you google 'Hitler and Johnny Maher' you will see a hilarious piece and especially the 'Laissex Faire' attitude by the referee on the day. The whole thing seemed to upset 'Hitler' more than losing the War.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 30/07/2021 08:27:20    2365671

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Replying To Viking66:  "Among others Wikipedia which I have just checked and confirmed most of what I had heard over the years. Didnt know Wikipedia had a history of hurling but no doubt the references cited in it would make interesting reading too. In the section about the 19th century it points out that hurling had died out everywhere, due probably to the Act of Union in a concerted attempt to persecute "Irishness", except South East Galway, North Wexford and around Cork City ( I didnt know about about the Rebels continuous connection!). I do however know, from my time living up there, that Antrim folk are proud of the fact that hurling has been played there continuously since probably prehistory in some form or another. There are other written references to Wexford hurling including the one which is where the "yellowbelly" name came from on account of the yellow sashes a Wexford team wore when playing a team from Cornwall in think the 17th century."
Excuse me it's East Galway... no such thing as South East Galway!
South Galway had their own Board after East Galway established the 1st hurling Competition.
East Galway HQ.......Loughrea: and satilte Clubs
South Galway HQ....Gort: and satilte Clubs
North Galway HQ.....Athenry and satilte Clubs

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1412 - 30/07/2021 10:22:02    2365688

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Replying To katser:  "Excuse me it's East Galway... no such thing as South East Galway!
South Galway had their own Board after East Galway established the 1st hurling Competition.
East Galway HQ.......Loughrea: and satilte Clubs
South Galway HQ....Gort: and satilte Clubs
North Galway HQ.....Athenry and satilte Clubs"
There were none of those clubs in existence back in the day we are talking about Katser. I already said East Galway in my original post I was only quoting Wikipedia in my answer to Oldtourman. My information was anecdotal picked up from travelling the length and breadth of the country for 32 years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3511 - 30/07/2021 10:34:16    2365697

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Replying To Viking66:  "There were none of those clubs in existence back in the day we are talking about Katser. I already said East Galway in my original post I was only quoting Wikipedia in my answer to Oldtourman. My information was anecdotal picked up from travelling the length and breadth of the country for 32 years."
Ok. In other news I've been jumping around the place with excitement after hearing Davy Fitz is finished with Wexford!!!
Oh Jesus he must have his eye on the Galway job!!
I can't wait to him here with us....I'd run to Wexford to Congratulate him!!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1412 - 30/07/2021 10:52:36    2365703

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Replying To Mailman98:  "Take no notice. I guarantee you Joe would love to play with this Limerick team. With the exception of Daithi and David Burke and Conor Whelan for Galway Joe played with very few men worthy of being on the same field as him. This Limerick team have winning mentality in every position. I'm pretty sure it played a part in Joe's decision to retire that he saw no prospect of Galway getting the better of them for many years to come."
Terribly insulting to the players Joe played with. I would bet Joe would disagree with that statement.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 312 - 30/07/2021 11:27:17    2365723

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Replying To katser:  "Ok. In other news I've been jumping around the place with excitement after hearing Davy Fitz is finished with Wexford!!!
Oh Jesus he must have his eye on the Galway job!!
I can't wait to him here with us....I'd run to Wexford to Congratulate him!!!"
He would be a good manager for you. Less travelling for him. Would work for everyone.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3511 - 30/07/2021 11:49:08    2365731

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Replying To Viking66:  "Among others Wikipedia which I have just checked and confirmed most of what I had heard over the years. Didnt know Wikipedia had a history of hurling but no doubt the references cited in it would make interesting reading too. In the section about the 19th century it points out that hurling had died out everywhere, due probably to the Act of Union in a concerted attempt to persecute "Irishness", except South East Galway, North Wexford and around Cork City ( I didnt know about about the Rebels continuous connection!). I do however know, from my time living up there, that Antrim folk are proud of the fact that hurling has been played there continuously since probably prehistory in some form or another. There are other written references to Wexford hurling including the one which is where the "yellowbelly" name came from on account of the yellow sashes a Wexford team wore when playing a team from Cornwall in think the 17th century."
One of the reasons hurling apparently declined after the Act of Union is that the local ascendency class who sponsored teams - a bit like their descendants were/are into horse racing - stopped spending as much of their time on their Irish estates because the political focus moved to London!

It was a sport that thrived on good land, for obvious reasons. And the good land was all owned by them 'uns.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 401 - 30/07/2021 11:49:14    2365732

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A genius. The Ronnie O'Sullivan of GAA. Portumna will have plenty of new followers

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 195 - 30/07/2021 12:01:21    2365743

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Replying To katser:  "Ah hello.... Joe got injured by Mr no5 in a league game in limrik 2020 when they nearly broke his elbow!
Also league game v limrik in 2019 which put him out for the Championship through been injured."
Nearly broke his elbow, oh Yea- Like he was seriously injured last Saturday. In another life, I had had dealings with people with bony injuries. Katser boy, there is no such thing as 'a nearly broken elbow'- it is either broken or its not. In that 2019 game how do you do know it was not a pure accident. They do happen in hurling fields. Both Mike Casey and Ritchie English had to actually go off injured V in 2018- but being the perfectly decent people we are we would never accuse Galway players for their injuries.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 30/07/2021 16:00:00    2365850

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Replying To gatha:  "Terribly insulting to the players Joe played with. I would bet Joe would disagree with that statement."
If you're from Kilkenny you know better than most that it's completely true. Joe would never openly admit it but absolutely knows it.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 318 - 30/07/2021 16:03:33    2365851

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Nearly broke his elbow, oh Yea- Like he was seriously injured last Saturday. In another life, I had had dealings with people with bony injuries. Katser boy, there is no such thing as 'a nearly broken elbow'- it is either broken or its not. In that 2019 game how do you do know it was not a pure accident. They do happen in hurling fields. Both Mike Casey and Ritchie English had to actually go off injured V in 2018- but being the perfectly decent people we are we would never accuse Galway players for their injuries."
It won't surprise you but I think Katser got the wrong county there. The league game in 2019 when Joe got injured was vs Waterford. The Brick Walsh hit him with a heavy shoulder but there was no maliciousness in it. Its one of those "what might have been" scenarios, but imo in that particular year he was shaping up to have his best performances ever in a Galway jersey. He was excellent in all the league games to that point and was fitter than I'd ever seen him. He didn't return from injury until the last quarter vs Dublin in Parnell Park later that summer when he was introduced to try to rescue the game from the fire. We lost it of course and were knocked out of the championship. He was getting to that stage of his career where I felt it was foolhardy for him to be playing in the league due to the risk of injury and should have rested until the championship and so it proved. Can only speculate what type of year Galway would have had in 2019 had he rested in that years league and only played in the championship especially since Limerick got knocked out by a Kilkenny team that maximized their potential but was only of average quality in comparison to previous years.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1624 - 30/07/2021 18:43:19    2365897

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It won't surprise you but I think Katser got the wrong county there. The league game in 2019 when Joe got injured was vs Waterford. The Brick Walsh hit him with a heavy shoulder but there was no maliciousness in it. Its one of those "what might have been" scenarios, but imo in that particular year he was shaping up to have his best performances ever in a Galway jersey. He was excellent in all the league games to that point and was fitter than I'd ever seen him. He didn't return from injury until the last quarter vs Dublin in Parnell Park later that summer when he was introduced to try to rescue the game from the fire. We lost it of course and were knocked out of the championship. He was getting to that stage of his career where I felt it was foolhardy for him to be playing in the league due to the risk of injury and should have rested until the championship and so it proved. Can only speculate what type of year Galway would have had in 2019 had he rested in that years league and only played in the championship especially since Limerick got knocked out by a Kilkenny team that maximized their potential but was only of average quality in comparison to previous years."
Well thanks Poolsturgeon. You have shown the decency and sportsmanship which is inherent in the most of Galway hurling people, by clearing that one up. I suppose I am worse to even engage with that 'gent'. Now he says he would run to Wexford to greet Davy as the new Manager in Galway. He should heed the old warning 'be careful what you wish for'. Loughnane was if anything a better manager than Davy and he was a disaster as every outside manager there has been. You are right about '19- in my humble opinion that was a game utterly lost on the line, but of course there is no point talking about it now. After every defeat a team can only move on and learn from past mistakes. And that thankfully that is what Limerick did. Ruminating about what might have been, as our boys often did before, would have been a disaster.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3315 - 30/07/2021 19:49:30    2365919

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It won't surprise you but I think Katser got the wrong county there. The league game in 2019 when Joe got injured was vs Waterford. The Brick Walsh hit him with a heavy shoulder but there was no maliciousness in it. Its one of those "what might have been" scenarios, but imo in that particular year he was shaping up to have his best performances ever in a Galway jersey. He was excellent in all the league games to that point and was fitter than I'd ever seen him. He didn't return from injury until the last quarter vs Dublin in Parnell Park later that summer when he was introduced to try to rescue the game from the fire. We lost it of course and were knocked out of the championship. He was getting to that stage of his career where I felt it was foolhardy for him to be playing in the league due to the risk of injury and should have rested until the championship and so it proved. Can only speculate what type of year Galway would have had in 2019 had he rested in that years league and only played in the championship especially since Limerick got knocked out by a Kilkenny team that maximized their potential but was only of average quality in comparison to previous years."
No it was Kevin Moran who hit Joe and was extremely upset afterwards that he injured him.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1701 - 30/07/2021 20:57:58    2365933

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