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Kildare Vs Dublin

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Replying To supersub15:  "People are stupid for a variety of reasons, like paying into a game, let it be a provincial final, an all-Ireland semi final or simply postings."
And by putting up stupid lists of rankings.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 27/07/2021 22:40:58    2364916

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Kildare hit with injuries to key players, very unlucky, god knows its hard enough.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8372 - 27/07/2021 22:57:37    2364922

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Replying To Northsidegaels:  "Remember that well, a rotten decision which handed dublin the game but this was around the time where Dublin got all these decisions as the gaa wanted Dublin winning all irelands. Only a few years before hand a meath and dublin leinster semi went to a replay. Before the throw in ciaran whelan walked up to nigel Crawford and decked him with a right hook that mike Tyson would be proud of, the whole of croke park seen it apart from the officials. Later on Geraghty scored a perfect goal to win the game but the referee decided to pretend he seen a push and blow for a free out, you'd imagine with it now gone full circle and their domination being bad for the game that they would be on the end of a few dodgy decisions themselves but I've yet to see them on the end of a bad decision in a big game strangely enough"
Dubs vs Meath game 1991 ,how was Keith Barr's penalty not retaken ? Mick Lyons is literally running beside him as he strikes the ball , Guess your to young to remember this lol.... ,the whole of croke park seen this apart from the officials -:)

Remember this well a rotten decision Meath V Louth Leinster final in 2010 , im sure you remember that one -;)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 27/07/2021 22:59:08    2364924

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Replying To realdub:  "I disagree strongly, poor decision for the free but Dublin were by far the better team that day and would have won the replay."
Better team up to O Gara getting sent off that made it hairy and we had to battle it out if my memory is correct. Certainly wasn't the give me we have seen in recent years.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4273 - 27/07/2021 23:27:40    2364930

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Why is it shocking…. Why would anyone pay in to see a game that will more than likely be a turkey shoot…? Are people really that stupid…??"
Wild guess here but maybe they want to support their county regardless of the probable result. Proud GAA people.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 28/07/2021 00:15:23    2364935

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Replying To Saynothing:  "And by putting up stupid lists of rankings."
Now, now, mo cara, they are not rankings, as rankings include all 32 counties, either way rankings hurt no one, just their egos.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 28/07/2021 09:31:36    2364966

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Replying To Northsidegaels:  "Remember that well, a rotten decision which handed dublin the game but this was around the time where Dublin got all these decisions as the gaa wanted Dublin winning all irelands. Only a few years before hand a meath and dublin leinster semi went to a replay. Before the throw in ciaran whelan walked up to nigel Crawford and decked him with a right hook that mike Tyson would be proud of, the whole of croke park seen it apart from the officials. Later on Geraghty scored a perfect goal to win the game but the referee decided to pretend he seen a push and blow for a free out, you'd imagine with it now gone full circle and their domination being bad for the game that they would be on the end of a few dodgy decisions themselves but I've yet to see them on the end of a bad decision in a big game strangely enough"
In fairness to the officials - I think they have a tough job to do an generally do it well. In close games you'll generally see the losing side will have some grounds for grumbling at a decision seen as badly made or not made. I don't see this as blaming the referee for a loss but more from the bounce of a ball / luck on the day part of every game.

But yeah - these decisions often seemed to go for Dublin back then.

In Ciaran Whelan's own words 15 years later - "As the ball was being thrown up for our Leinster semi-final against Meath, I clashed with Nigel Crawford. In hindsight, it worked out as I got away with it and went on to play well but it could have been so different. If I had been shown an early red, it could have been a disaster."

As for the 2011 incident - watch it again and I still can't see how any referee could give a free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXa4WDUiTs

The Dubs needed the slice of luck back then - they certainly don't need it now.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 189 - 28/07/2021 09:45:51    2364975

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Dubs vs Meath game 1991 ,how was Keith Barr's penalty not retaken ? Mick Lyons is literally running beside him as he strikes the ball , Guess your to young to remember this lol.... ,the whole of croke park seen this apart from the officials -:)

Remember this well a rotten decision Meath V Louth Leinster final in 2010 , im sure you remember that one -;)"
The same keith barr who said he didn't even notice Lyons and had to be told about that afterwards

The same referee who told Peter Fitzpatrick he was giving a penalty if he hadn't given a goal

Every county benefits from terrible decisions we can all play the game.

Anyways to the matter at hand. I've heard Kildare are probably missing a few key players and Dublin are getting some back which would suggest to me this game will only go one way. Kildare might hang on til half time or 50 minutes but I'd imagine once Dessie starts running the bench they'll burn off Kildare.

Would be really great to see Kildare put up a performance and be there going into the last 10 minutes but given some of those missing unfortunately I don't see that happening. Wexford and Meath hunted in packs and Kildare will have to do that for 70+ minutes this weekend too. The worst thing is that even if Kildare do everything right and get 100% out of themselves on the day they could still lose by 10 - 15 points.

Dublin were outstanding in the first half v Meath and abysmal in the second half. They'll look to make a statement this weekend and some of their leaders Fenton, Kilkenny, Mccarthy will demand more from their team mates.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1803 - 28/07/2021 10:31:45    2364989

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Better team up to O Gara getting sent off that made it hairy and we had to battle it out if my memory is correct. Certainly wasn't the give me we have seen in recent years."
No it certainly wasn't, Kildare were decent then, McGeeney, despite what some say, inspired that to be very competitive.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8372 - 28/07/2021 10:35:21    2364990

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Realistically as a proud Kildare man i will travel to Croke park on Sunday not expecting to win but for them lads to give everything for the jersey. Dublin are still the team to beat this year in my view they will be a hard team to crack in Croke park i just hope from a Kildare point of view that we turn up and make a game of it injuries will affect us more than they will Dublin and you never no miracles do happen in sport from time to time.

cracker95 (Kildare) - Posts: 46 - 29/07/2021 07:11:42    2365353

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Kildare had a good side in 2010/2011

A bounce of the ball either way and things could have been different

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 29/07/2021 21:07:00    2365617

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Replying To brian:  "The same keith barr who said he didn't even notice Lyons and had to be told about that afterwards

The same referee who told Peter Fitzpatrick he was giving a penalty if he hadn't given a goal

Every county benefits from terrible decisions we can all play the game.

Anyways to the matter at hand. I've heard Kildare are probably missing a few key players and Dublin are getting some back which would suggest to me this game will only go one way. Kildare might hang on til half time or 50 minutes but I'd imagine once Dessie starts running the bench they'll burn off Kildare.

Would be really great to see Kildare put up a performance and be there going into the last 10 minutes but given some of those missing unfortunately I don't see that happening. Wexford and Meath hunted in packs and Kildare will have to do that for 70+ minutes this weekend too. The worst thing is that even if Kildare do everything right and get 100% out of themselves on the day they could still lose by 10 - 15 points.

Dublin were outstanding in the first half v Meath and abysmal in the second half. They'll look to make a statement this weekend and some of their leaders Fenton, Kilkenny, Mccarthy will demand more from their team mates."
I'm not sure what the referee was giving a penalty for the Joe Sheridan incident as just put his head down and dived for the line was no way fouled. Still probably the worst decision ever made in the history of the GAA only mad in the crowd or watching on TV to somehow see that it was carried over the line was the referee. If anything it probably should have been a free out before that as a result of a Meath player being in the square before the ball came in.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 43 - 30/07/2021 09:01:42    2365673

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "I'm not sure what the referee was giving a penalty for the Joe Sheridan incident as just put his head down and dived for the line was no way fouled. Still probably the worst decision ever made in the history of the GAA only mad in the crowd or watching on TV to somehow see that it was carried over the line was the referee. If anything it probably should have been a free out before that as a result of a Meath player being in the square before the ball came in."
Carta, if you look seamus kenny near had his head taken off his shoulders. Sludden told Peter Fitzpatrick walking off he'd have awarded a penalty. Full accept the whole thing was awful but this stuff happens. Look at your own county and Offaly in 97 and a referee blew up 3 minutes early. TBF the GAA rectified the issue themselves and replayed the match.

Anyways to the match at hand, was talking to a few Dubs i work with yesterday and there's a bit of a feeling Kildare could get a hiding in this match. Dublin haven't got going this season fully so maybe if the got the dirty diesel out of their system they might improve dramatically. Again I'll say Kildare could get everything right on the day and ship a 15+ point defeat which won't do anyone any good

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1803 - 30/07/2021 10:08:28    2365680

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Replying To cracker95:  "Realistically as a proud Kildare man i will travel to Croke park on Sunday not expecting to win but for them lads to give everything for the jersey. Dublin are still the team to beat this year in my view they will be a hard team to crack in Croke park i just hope from a Kildare point of view that we turn up and make a game of it injuries will affect us more than they will Dublin and you never no miracles do happen in sport from time to time."
Approaching a leinster final fast, no one giving Kildare a chance, Kildare got to a provincial final on merit so for that reason I'm giving them a sporting chance, think about it this way, a very disorganized Wexford ( absolutely no offence meant) gave the Dub's a game , quality of the game not important, a couple of weeks previous Carlow beat more or less that same Wexford team, the Dublin / Wexford game had no goals 00 - 15 to 00 - 07 the Dub's won by a small margin of 00-08

Dublin beat a luke warm Meath team 2-16 to 1-13, it's my belief that had Meath played for 70 mins and not 35 they could went home with a one or two point win, perhaps more.
I understand Kildare are short 3 of their starting 15, but if their bench is strong enough in theory they should be able to compensate for those eventualities. By my calculation Dublin have lost or are without the services of 10 their all Ireland winning panel over the past 12 months (ish) the last player being Cluxton, those players with all Ireland winning medals are a massive loss, the practical balance is still in Dublin's favour but the psychological balance should be in Kildare's favour.

Smart football, Lady luck, good refereeing, and your half way there, - Best of luck.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 30/07/2021 11:14:23    2365716

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Kildare had a good side in 2010/2011

A bounce of the ball either way and things could have been different"
I believe Kildare have better footballers in 2021 but perhaps need a year or two in Division 1 before being a genuine top team again and hopefully getting the bounce of the ball this time.

As for Sunday - I'm getting the usual hope that the lads can all play to their potential together and be close enough to cause a big upset and set up that Division 2 final against Mayo.

Looking forward to the Monday Morning headlines - "Win like Flynn"

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 189 - 30/07/2021 11:30:50    2365724

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Replying To brianb:  "I believe Kildare have better footballers in 2021 but perhaps need a year or two in Division 1 before being a genuine top team again and hopefully getting the bounce of the ball this time.

As for Sunday - I'm getting the usual hope that the lads can all play to their potential together and be close enough to cause a big upset and set up that Division 2 final against Mayo.

Looking forward to the Monday Morning headlines - "Win like Flynn""
Well Eoin Doyle starting certainly gives me a lift! A few points knocked off the scoreboard :)

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1687 - 30/07/2021 11:37:20    2365727

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Big game coming up for a number of Dublin young lads.

It'll be their first Leinster final. If the injuries persist it's this sort of game time that will really bring them on.

Dublin missing an awful lot of quality half back offensive options at present, it's really showing imo and it's a weapon that has won Dublin so much.

McCaffrey, McDaid, Small and Murchan.

Real quality going forward. Hopefully 3 of those options will be available if Dublin can get out of Leinster.

Really looking forward to attending the game. Best of luck to both teams and officials and may the best team win.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 30/07/2021 12:25:50    2365759

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Replying To brian:  "Carta, if you look seamus kenny near had his head taken off his shoulders. Sludden told Peter Fitzpatrick walking off he'd have awarded a penalty. Full accept the whole thing was awful but this stuff happens. Look at your own county and Offaly in 97 and a referee blew up 3 minutes early. TBF the GAA rectified the issue themselves and replayed the match.

Anyways to the match at hand, was talking to a few Dubs i work with yesterday and there's a bit of a feeling Kildare could get a hiding in this match. Dublin haven't got going this season fully so maybe if the got the dirty diesel out of their system they might improve dramatically. Again I'll say Kildare could get everything right on the day and ship a 15+ point defeat which won't do anyone any good"
I watched it back there now and definitely was no penalty Seamus Kenny had a great him fielding catch for a small wasn't tackled went to shoot, Paddy Keenan made a great block and then Two Louth players jumped for the one ball and got in each other's way. If they had showed more composure there and one of the players called my ball, the whole situation could have been avoided, then the ball spilled to Sheridan and the rest as they say is history.

Anyway regards, the match like you I can't see anyway how Kildare can get near Dublin, you would expect Dublin to have something to prove and are under pressure for the first time in god knows how long in Leinster not in terms of potentially losing as even the last day in the second half when Ye in Meath started to put it up to them they were able to kick 3 points in added time to seal the victory, but I they will be under pressure in terms of putting in a better performance and a better all round performance.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 43 - 30/07/2021 13:58:50    2365804

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Kildare had a good side in 2010/2011

A bounce of the ball either way and things could have been different"
Louth beat them pretty easily in Navan 2010. They were good in 2011

Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 150 - 30/07/2021 16:18:21    2365858

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Replying To Meath10:  "Louth beat them pretty easily in Navan 2010. They were good in 2011"
They narrowly lost an AI semifinal in 2010 after going on a good run through back door

They got further than the newly crowned Leinster Champions..

In fact beating them on their run

Kildare were every bit as good as Down and a bounce of a ball away from a final

I'd call that a good year for Kildare GAA after a deserved loss versus the best Louth team in many a year

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 30/07/2021 17:43:20    2365882

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