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Just to note that the issue with closing out games for Kildare is not a fitness thing, it's been a mental switch off.

It only happens in games that we have been winning easily entering the last 10 / 15 minutes. Cork, Meath, Offaly, Westmeath were all games that Kildare were winning by 6+ points plus going into the last quarter. Worrying no doubt but not something I see being an issue this weekend.

SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 76 - 27/07/2021 11:06:27    2364611

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Why is it shocking…. Why would anyone pay in to see a game that will more than likely be a turkey shoot…? Are people really that stupid…??"
I take it you would have stayed at home for last years semi final so?!?

SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 76 - 27/07/2021 11:09:06    2364614

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Replying To Daith:  "If Kildare were to get within 15 points they would need to have their best players fit and flying. Feely, Cribben, Doyle out and Hyland and Dan Flynn only getting back after hamstring injuries.

If Kildare fans are honest we were very lucky to get past westmeath and this will be an absolute annihilation.

Don't let the modest score lines v Welford and Meath fool you. Leinster football is a farce and the 11 other counties are a spineless disgrace for not boycotting this nonsense."
Boycotts are for the spineless

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3450 - 27/07/2021 11:32:08    2364627

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "Can't see anything other than a Dublin win here and will be backing the handicap of -9 especially with the injury trouble Kildare have at the moment. I watched the Kildare v Offaly game and if Offaly had a cutthroat edge to them up front they'd have taken a goal chance or two and could have snuck it even. Same goes for the Westmeath game too. Dublin are a massive step up to either of those teams.

Dublin as we know haven't looked great but McDaid and Murchan both back training the last couple of weeks so if they feature then our defence takes a whole different look with Howard being deployed further forward. I myself have questioned the Dublin motivation recently but I think the past couple of weeks will hopefully have given them all they need on that front especially with Kerry now bookies favourites for the All Ireland. Dublin have as we all know slipped back towards the pack a bit but the starting 15 or at least potential strongest starting 15 is still a serious side hence why I'm not buying a lot of the doom and gloom surrounding us at present. A good solid win on Sunday should hopefully lift the spirits too."
Good honest post there trueblue and I agree with you 100%.

Unfortunately for kildare injuries have hit at the wrong time.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13945 - 27/07/2021 11:53:13    2364640

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We'd be disanointed to loose this.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 27/07/2021 12:49:23    2364668

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Replying To Breezy:  "Still tickets for this on GAA.ie which is pretty shocking"
The link on ticket master has become active in the last few minutes folks. They'll be gone shortly so snap them up now if anyone hasn't theirs sorted yet

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 256 - 27/07/2021 12:57:04    2364672

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Replying To TheUsername:  "We'd be disanointed to loose this."
But the day is coming username, maybe not Sunday but soon....disappointment is inevitable.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1819 - 27/07/2021 12:59:38    2364674

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Why is it shocking…. Why would anyone pay in to see a game that will more than likely be a turkey shoot…? Are people really that stupid…??"
Maybe Cavan people are that stupid, they couldn't wait to get a crack at Dublin last year and then turned on the Dubs when they were beat blaming everything under the sun. Reading what they say they are still anti Dublin.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 27/07/2021 13:11:09    2364684

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Don't believe all the hype lately regards Dublin demise.

Dubs to win by 20+

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 47 - 27/07/2021 13:13:22    2364685

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "The link on ticket master has become active in the last few minutes folks. They'll be gone shortly so snap them up now if anyone hasn't theirs sorted yet"
Brilliant. Just got 5. Thanks a mill for posting, I'd been watching like a hawk all day to see if they reactivated the link.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4093 - 27/07/2021 13:22:02    2364693

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "Don't believe all the hype lately regards Dublin demise.

Dubs to win by 20+"
Depends, Kildare have been good at taking early leads and seeing out games by shutting up shop. Been helped massively by having one of, if not the best goalkeeper in the country in Mark Donnellan who will very seldom make a mistake or concede. If dunking get an early lead, I fear for how bad it might get. If they don't, this game could surprise many, many people by being tight

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 256 - 27/07/2021 13:29:59    2364695

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "Depends, Kildare have been good at taking early leads and seeing out games by shutting up shop. Been helped massively by having one of, if not the best goalkeeper in the country in Mark Donnellan who will very seldom make a mistake or concede. If dunking get an early lead, I fear for how bad it might get. If they don't, this game could surprise many, many people by being tight"
I love your optimism, keep her lit!!

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1679 - 27/07/2021 13:50:00    2364709

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Replying To avonali:  "But the day is coming username, maybe not Sunday but soon....disappointment is inevitable."
Be my take as well mate, i think Kerry rate of growth and our regression has seen them over take us, but id never rule anything out from these exceptional group of men. if we were to pull it off it would be one of the great ones, but would be down to will and determination, cant see it though red flags all over the show. We cant be greedy either, we,ve been spoilt.

Not looking beyond Sunday, wed be disappointed to loose, but one game at a time. I think Mayo could take us you know if we get there and there would be a bit of poetic justice in that as our biggest rival, they almost deserve to take us out - even if its on our last legs, id say it would be near a definite if Cillian hadn't got injured.

Even Kildare mind, i think they were unlucky in the Leinster Semi against us way back in 11 when the whole thing kicked off, remember being at that game touch and go for a while, O Gara, hero and Villian and i think either Bernard or Alan nicked it, with a questionable goal, i was four sheets though - as per.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 27/07/2021 14:45:30    2364735

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Be my take as well mate, i think Kerry rate of growth and our regression has seen them over take us, but id never rule anything out from these exceptional group of men. if we were to pull it off it would be one of the great ones, but would be down to will and determination, cant see it though red flags all over the show. We cant be greedy either, we,ve been spoilt.

Not looking beyond Sunday, wed be disappointed to loose, but one game at a time. I think Mayo could take us you know if we get there and there would be a bit of poetic justice in that as our biggest rival, they almost deserve to take us out - even if its on our last legs, id say it would be near a definite if Cillian hadn't got injured.

Even Kildare mind, i think they were unlucky in the Leinster Semi against us way back in 11 when the whole thing kicked off, remember being at that game touch and go for a while, O Gara, hero and Villian and i think either Bernard or Alan nicked it, with a questionable goal, i was four sheets though - as per."
I still think 2011 was a real sliding doors moment. Dublin won due to a controversial free from a foul that only the ref spotted which still rankles given the trajectory of Dublin since then. The draw would have had Kildare pitted against the Dubs again in the All Ireland semi-final; but owing to a goal disallowed due to a terrible square ball judgment and a great point by Kevin Cassidy it didn't happen so instead we were introduced to Jim McGuinness's blanket in a dire 0-08 - 0-06 semi final. I still remember reading a headline in the paper "Are Kieran McGeeney's Kildare cursed".

Since 2011 Dublin have gone from strength to strength turned the leinster championship into a procession but I believe this Kildare team have enough good footballers to trouble anyone on any given day even given the injuries. It will take a below par Dublin performance to turn them over here but Dublin's form so far certainly suggests that that below par day is possible.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 119 - 27/07/2021 16:13:12    2364778

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Replying To brianb:  "I still think 2011 was a real sliding doors moment. Dublin won due to a controversial free from a foul that only the ref spotted which still rankles given the trajectory of Dublin since then. The draw would have had Kildare pitted against the Dubs again in the All Ireland semi-final; but owing to a goal disallowed due to a terrible square ball judgment and a great point by Kevin Cassidy it didn't happen so instead we were introduced to Jim McGuinness's blanket in a dire 0-08 - 0-06 semi final. I still remember reading a headline in the paper "Are Kieran McGeeney's Kildare cursed".

Since 2011 Dublin have gone from strength to strength turned the leinster championship into a procession but I believe this Kildare team have enough good footballers to trouble anyone on any given day even given the injuries. It will take a below par Dublin performance to turn them over here but Dublin's form so far certainly suggests that that below par day is possible."
2011 had so many sliding door moments thinking back from a Dublin perspective. I agree Kildare could have very easily won that day, i think you call some of the decisions borderline to right. I think the ref was being kind to us as he sent O Gara of very harshly if im remember correctly. I never rated Geezer as a good manger and if im honest i still dont, i think he had Kildare and even Armagh now, well below their potential for talent.

Interesting the trajectory of the two counties since, i think we just flatly refused not to win the All Ireland that year. But that year and the following we could be got at, 2013 changed everything and the mentality just got stronger and stronger from there. Thought Kildare made a big error getting rid of Cian myself thought he was doing a terrffic job there ad needed a few more years.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 27/07/2021 17:54:38    2364823

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Replying To brianb:  "I still think 2011 was a real sliding doors moment. Dublin won due to a controversial free from a foul that only the ref spotted which still rankles given the trajectory of Dublin since then. The draw would have had Kildare pitted against the Dubs again in the All Ireland semi-final; but owing to a goal disallowed due to a terrible square ball judgment and a great point by Kevin Cassidy it didn't happen so instead we were introduced to Jim McGuinness's blanket in a dire 0-08 - 0-06 semi final. I still remember reading a headline in the paper "Are Kieran McGeeney's Kildare cursed".

Since 2011 Dublin have gone from strength to strength turned the leinster championship into a procession but I believe this Kildare team have enough good footballers to trouble anyone on any given day even given the injuries. It will take a below par Dublin performance to turn them over here but Dublin's form so far certainly suggests that that below par day is possible."
Remember that well, a rotten decision which handed dublin the game but this was around the time where Dublin got all these decisions as the gaa wanted Dublin winning all irelands. Only a few years before hand a meath and dublin leinster semi went to a replay. Before the throw in ciaran whelan walked up to nigel Crawford and decked him with a right hook that mike Tyson would be proud of, the whole of croke park seen it apart from the officials. Later on Geraghty scored a perfect goal to win the game but the referee decided to pretend he seen a push and blow for a free out, you'd imagine with it now gone full circle and their domination being bad for the game that they would be on the end of a few dodgy decisions themselves but I've yet to see them on the end of a bad decision in a big game strangely enough

Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 235 - 27/07/2021 18:07:23    2364825

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Replying To TheUsername:  "2011 had so many sliding door moments thinking back from a Dublin perspective. I agree Kildare could have very easily won that day, i think you call some of the decisions borderline to right. I think the ref was being kind to us as he sent O Gara of very harshly if im remember correctly. I never rated Geezer as a good manger and if im honest i still dont, i think he had Kildare and even Armagh now, well below their potential for talent.

Interesting the trajectory of the two counties since, i think we just flatly refused not to win the All Ireland that year. But that year and the following we could be got at, 2013 changed everything and the mentality just got stronger and stronger from there. Thought Kildare made a big error getting rid of Cian myself thought he was doing a terrffic job there ad needed a few more years."
I disagree strongly, poor decision for the free but Dublin were by far the better team that day and would have won the replay.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 27/07/2021 20:50:17    2364877

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Why is it shocking…. Why would anyone pay in to see a game that will more than likely be a turkey shoot…? Are people really that stupid…??"
People are stupid for a variety of reasons, like paying into a game, let it be a provincial final, an all-Ireland semi final or simply postings.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2495 - 27/07/2021 21:34:24    2364893

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Spare a thought too for Wexford in 2011 in the Leinster final.

That was a game they could have won, and the goal came through a bit of a mess up between the Wexford goalkeeper Masterson and the backs. It was mostly downhill for them after that with the great Mattie gone.

Dublin could have lost any of four games that year, but won them sometimes with a rub of the green. Such is life and sport.

We hurlers balance it out with a series of running kicks into the genollockers that never never seems to end ...

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 366 - 27/07/2021 22:29:17    2364909

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Replying To Northsidegaels:  "Remember that well, a rotten decision which handed dublin the game but this was around the time where Dublin got all these decisions as the gaa wanted Dublin winning all irelands. Only a few years before hand a meath and dublin leinster semi went to a replay. Before the throw in ciaran whelan walked up to nigel Crawford and decked him with a right hook that mike Tyson would be proud of, the whole of croke park seen it apart from the officials. Later on Geraghty scored a perfect goal to win the game but the referee decided to pretend he seen a push and blow for a free out, you'd imagine with it now gone full circle and their domination being bad for the game that they would be on the end of a few dodgy decisions themselves but I've yet to see them on the end of a bad decision in a big game strangely enough"
Get over it, the anthem of the losing team, "blame the ref" and you go even farther, the refs were told Dublin have to win, ah you're right, and silly me thinking it was because of Philly, Stevo, R. O'C, C.O'S, Jack, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, MDMA, Fento, Deano, Alan, Berno, Dermo, Killer, Con, and on and on, get over it, six in a row, best team won.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 27/07/2021 22:35:50    2364912

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