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Tyrone Vs Monaghan Final

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Replying To thegadfly:  "I backed Monaghan at the start of the championship to win Ulster and I've said it here numerous times.
They'll steamroll Tyrone in the final if they can keep it tight at the back but that is a big if.
If Tyrone turn on the heat up in the second half and start eating into a lead I'd wonder if they have what it takes upstairs to see it out.
I'm really looking forward to it. May the best team win."
If Tyrone play 80% near their best they'll win. One victory over Armagh doesn't turn Monaghan into world beaters. Some people losing the run of themselves. Can't see anything only Tyrone by 3-6 points. To much firepower. If it is Monaghan it'll be a repeat of the Kerry tussle years ago and good luck.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 20/07/2021 20:12:51    2362255

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Got to love the smugness of some of the Tyrone lads once they win a couple on the bounce. I'm not sure where the great confidence comes from that this is their final to lose? To me there's nothing much between the two sides, and I wouldn't be surprised to see either the winner. I doubt there'll be much in it at the end. For all the talk of Tyrone's great firepower, I think we've been doing pretty well in that department ourselves this year. I'd say it could well come down to which team can prevent conceding goals.

And regarding the prospects of the Ulster winner meeting Kerry, you'd do well to remember the hiding that Kerry gave Tyrone not long ago.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 20/07/2021 21:28:46    2362288

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Replying To TYE08:  "What are you doing stating facts. Don't you know that monaghan men and some circles in the gaa love to belive that one man and one incident was directly responsible for bringing in the black card."
Cavanagh's tackle was nail in the coffin.. if it didn't happen Tyrone would have been beaten that day. it swung public opinion that something was needed to stop cynical play,

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 20/07/2021 23:09:13    2362342

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I think Tyrone are developing better options in their overall panel Patk. Monaghan need KHughes, Walshe and Kelly to be fully primed to give them the same spread, and I'm not so sure we can say that with confidence. Still, I prefer to be playing Tyrone than Donegal. No excuses for Monaghan this time out.

Great also to see the wide range in interest for the game on here. There's contributions from Kerry and Dublin and lots from Division 4 teams too, all having their say.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 864 - 20/07/2021 23:11:20    2362344

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "I think it was your near west Brit neighbour Joe Brolly who had the biggest issue with Tyrone. Anyway will we all 'do a Boris' and draw a line under these historical issues? It will be a long 2 weeks on here otherwise."
Well the fact u call Joe brolly a West brit... Tells me all I need to know... Disappointing to come from a monaghan man.

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 20/07/2021 23:40:20    2362357

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Replying To Farney:  "Cavanagh's tackle was nail in the coffin.. if it didn't happen Tyrone would have been beaten that day. it swung public opinion that something was needed to stop cynical play,"
Mcmanus dived that day plain and obvious

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 20/07/2021 23:42:50    2362360

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Replying To Farney:  "Cavanagh's tackle was nail in the coffin.. if it didn't happen Tyrone would have been beaten that day. it swung public opinion that something was needed to stop cynical play,"
What part of "the black card was already coming in" do you not understand??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4561 - 20/07/2021 23:58:19    2362363

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Replying To Farney:  "That give me a good laugh.. a Tyrone supporter talking about another county's players buying frees.. anyone for a hair ruffle!!! and wasn't it a rugby tackle on McManus that brought in the black cars to stop cynical fouling,, fair is fair!!"
Cavanagh's rugby tackle led to a free being awarded against him. Buying a free - like Donegal did in the second half last weekend (charge with ball, collapse as if shot at the slightest contact, get free) - is the exact opposite. I'd hate to be a defender nowadays. Shadowing, not tackling. Buying frees is an art form, it tends to be the really good players who are best at it. The Donegal lads weren't very good at it; just that the ref was in a mood to give them handy frees. But McManus is very good at it, v subtle; and so was Canavan btw. Every team needs a man who can buy a free in the closing stages.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1074 - 21/07/2021 02:01:29    2362376

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Replying To conman1282:  "Mcmanus dived that day plain and obvious"
No he didn't. He was very cynically dragged to the ground by Seán Cavanagh. That was the third successive championship game in which Seán Cavanagh had cynically dragged an opponent to the ground. He did it against Kildare and Meath as well as against Monaghan.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5707 - 21/07/2021 03:04:25    2362381

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Will be a good final this one. I fins it hard to call to be honest.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1602 - 21/07/2021 07:44:06    2362387

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Replying To conman1282:  "Well the fact u call Joe brolly a West brit... Tells me all I need to know... Disappointing to come from a monaghan man."
Can't believe still use that term. Embarrassing. You're spot on.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 21/07/2021 09:59:37    2362414

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "I think Tyrone are developing better options in their overall panel Patk. Monaghan need KHughes, Walshe and Kelly to be fully primed to give them the same spread, and I'm not so sure we can say that with confidence. Still, I prefer to be playing Tyrone than Donegal. No excuses for Monaghan this time out.

Great also to see the wide range in interest for the game on here. There's contributions from Kerry and Dublin and lots from Division 4 teams too, all having their say."
All I'm saying is that it's a close final which can go either way, I don't think that's a controversial opinion.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 21/07/2021 10:49:06    2362432

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Can't believe still use that term. Embarrassing. You're spot on."
Read back a bit and see how this archaic term was first fired into into what's supposed to be a discussion on football.
Embarrassing is right.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 864 - 21/07/2021 12:30:01    2362467

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Replying To Greengrass:  "No he didn't. He was very cynically dragged to the ground by Seán Cavanagh. That was the third successive championship game in which Seán Cavanagh had cynically dragged an opponent to the ground. He did it against Kildare and Meath as well as against Monaghan."
U must be very far down in the grass that you cannot see.. Have u still got a sean cavanagh poster on your wall
3 matches in a row... Wot bloody rubbish

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 21/07/2021 12:40:25    2362472

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Replying To Farney:  "Cavanagh's tackle was nail in the coffin.. if it didn't happen Tyrone would have been beaten that day. it swung public opinion that something was needed to stop cynical play,"
You can't say that for certainly Farney. Tyrone won that day fair and square. Think there was 4-5 in it at the end. Better team won

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1949 - 21/07/2021 13:39:39    2362500

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Replying To patk:  "Got to love the smugness of some of the Tyrone lads once they win a couple on the bounce. I'm not sure where the great confidence comes from that this is their final to lose? To me there's nothing much between the two sides, and I wouldn't be surprised to see either the winner. I doubt there'll be much in it at the end. For all the talk of Tyrone's great firepower, I think we've been doing pretty well in that department ourselves this year. I'd say it could well come down to which team can prevent conceding goals.

And regarding the prospects of the Ulster winner meeting Kerry, you'd do well to remember the hiding that Kerry gave Tyrone not long ago."
Agreed, they think the great Darren mc curry is the saviour, what has he ever done other than flatter to deceive when the pressure comes on him? If he is their go to man then I'm not shaking in my boots.

Their midfield men are two massive tall men who aren't going to keep the scoreboard ticking, not overly too bothered by them either, sudden half back isn't a marker, Peter harte will have to man mark mc carthy, brennan half back is nothing major going forward and myler is just a runner. Where is this confidence coming from ?

Mc curry scored 10 v cavan and then 4 or 5 the last day, he's due a scoreless game when we get stuck into him.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 21/07/2021 14:15:37    2362510

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Read back a bit and see how this archaic term was first fired into into what's supposed to be a discussion on football.
Embarrassing is right."
The term was in reference initially to RTE, which is basically the WBBC due to its love for all things British and its anti nationalism outlook

The reference initially was indicating RTE's appalling attitude to Tyrone football and the constant reference to them feigning injury and the dark arts. I am not saying they are choir boys but they certainly are not the only county involved in such things. Any incident involving a Tyrone player is scrutinised to the nth degree by both the commentators on RTE and the Studio "experts" on the Sunday game.
One example is Murphy's sending off on sunday. He could have broken the mans leg that's what McKernan was hopping about... I cant understand why people are saying it was accidental, as it it was can someone explain why he was kicking with such velocity?? Instead we had the panel discussing how bad it was.. bullshit. It happens all the bloody time, its just highlighted more when its tyrone...

What I took exception to is calling someone from Derry a west brit, that's unacceptable

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 21/07/2021 14:31:02    2362522

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "You can't say that for certainly Farney. Tyrone won that day fair and square. Think there was 4-5 in it at the end. Better team won"
2 in it at the end actually but yeah agree with rest. Think you are remembering 2015 when ye were by far the better side but all talk afterwards was nonsence from both sides at the finish. Tyrone have always been the better side v us at croke Park and will be warm favourites here. Hopefully we can buck the trend come 31st.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1589 - 21/07/2021 14:34:06    2362523

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Tyrone do have good options off the bench, some players you'd expect to be starting normally. I'm not sure how much of this is to do with injury and match fitness( i.e. McShane) and how much is to do with finishing with a strong side - I'm surprised Tiernan McCann didn't start for example, maybe there's a reason for that. However they didn't start with alot of natural forwards, I wouldn't be expecting the like of McGeary to be scoring 0-3 every day, as good as he was at the weekend.

I'd be interested to see how we line up in the final in that regard, I wouldn't be surprised to see us hold back a few aswell. In most games this year we've started mostly natural forwards and scorers up front, but I wonder will we go back to playing a couple of "workers" at wing forward, leaving a bit more attacking threat to spring from the bench. I get the feeling it'll be a tight enough game, certainly the forwards won't see the kind of space they had at the weekend.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 21/07/2021 14:49:23    2362533

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Agreed, they think the great Darren mc curry is the saviour, what has he ever done other than flatter to deceive when the pressure comes on him? If he is their go to man then I'm not shaking in my boots.

Their midfield men are two massive tall men who aren't going to keep the scoreboard ticking, not overly too bothered by them either, sudden half back isn't a marker, Peter harte will have to man mark mc carthy, brennan half back is nothing major going forward and myler is just a runner. Where is this confidence coming from ?

Mc curry scored 10 v cavan and then 4 or 5 the last day, he's due a scoreless game when we get stuck into him."
I haven't watched enough of Monaghan to comment on them, but you clearly don't know what you are talking about re: Tyrone.

Brennan rarely plays half back and he probably won't start the final.

McCurry scored 0-7, not 4 or 5.

The mid-field is improving and Tyrone don't have to work around having a weak mid-field as before. Meyler doesn't score many too often, but he is a very good kicker of the ball.

In terms of half backs the last day, Sludden scored 0-3, Harte scored 0-2 McCann came off the bench for second half and scored 0-3, Burns got a point too. Mattie Donnelly and Conor McKenna could potentially play 6.

Tyrone have Canavan, McKenna and McShane to come back in, with Mark Bradley and Paul Donaghy still in reserve.

Tyrone have a great spread of scores and different types of excellent attacking options. A lot players who had had been a bit out of form, Donnelly, Sludden, and McCann have hit a vein of form at the right time. I think this is why Tyrone people are getting excited and I, as well as other, think that there could be a lot more in them.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1736 - 21/07/2021 15:07:58    2362543

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