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Tyrone Vs Monaghan Final

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Replying To conman1282:  "U must be very far down in the grass that you cannot see.. Have u still got a sean cavanagh poster on your wall
3 matches in a row... Wot bloody rubbish"
You don't know what you are talking about.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5795 - 21/07/2021 15:24:50    2362551

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Going to be a great game of football, wont be much in it either way. Nobody is making out that McCurry is a saviour but he's definitely a player with confidence at the minute and will thieve in Croke Park on Ulster final day. The power of Tyrone's bench will have a big say next day out too when you see the calibre of players that can come on and push on last 15-20 mins.

budlight (Tyrone) - Posts: 540 - 21/07/2021 16:20:10    2362569

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Replying To patk:  "Tyrone do have good options off the bench, some players you'd expect to be starting normally. I'm not sure how much of this is to do with injury and match fitness( i.e. McShane) and how much is to do with finishing with a strong side - I'm surprised Tiernan McCann didn't start for example, maybe there's a reason for that. However they didn't start with alot of natural forwards, I wouldn't be expecting the like of McGeary to be scoring 0-3 every day, as good as he was at the weekend.

I'd be interested to see how we line up in the final in that regard, I wouldn't be surprised to see us hold back a few aswell. In most games this year we've started mostly natural forwards and scorers up front, but I wonder will we go back to playing a couple of "workers" at wing forward, leaving a bit more attacking threat to spring from the bench. I get the feeling it'll be a tight enough game, certainly the forwards won't see the kind of space they had at the weekend."
Had a good laugh at this. Seems its more the monaghan men who are the confident ones. Anyone tyrone ones I know are excited at the prospect of the team not that they are certain they will win.

Based on history tyrone have had monaghans number on a number of occasions. Monaghan like dongeal seem to think they are better than they actually are. Tyrone have no expectations for the last number of years as we no the game plan played under harte wasn't going to win the big games. Whoever wins I expect them to be well beaten by kerry.

Regarding Darren I agree he has flattered to deceive on recent years however that was based on a more cautious defensive game plan. He may come good against monaghan and issue you a dose of humble pie.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 21/07/2021 16:48:41    2362575

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Replying To conman1282:  "The term was in reference initially to RTE, which is basically the WBBC due to its love for all things British and its anti nationalism outlook

The reference initially was indicating RTE's appalling attitude to Tyrone football and the constant reference to them feigning injury and the dark arts. I am not saying they are choir boys but they certainly are not the only county involved in such things. Any incident involving a Tyrone player is scrutinised to the nth degree by both the commentators on RTE and the Studio "experts" on the Sunday game.
One example is Murphy's sending off on sunday. He could have broken the mans leg that's what McKernan was hopping about... I cant understand why people are saying it was accidental, as it it was can someone explain why he was kicking with such velocity?? Instead we had the panel discussing how bad it was.. bullshit. It happens all the bloody time, its just highlighted more when its tyrone...

What I took exception to is calling someone from Derry a west brit, that's unacceptable"
You used the phrase yourself and then take offence when its used in ironic retort? That's somewhat inconsistent.

Funny enough I agree that RTE have been offside in dealing with Ulster in general and Tyrone/Donegal in particular (last Sunday's preamble before the the clash between the two was instructive). However, I think you are misdiagnosing the problem. It has zero to do with any sort of anti-Northern bias in RTE and 100% to do with the fact that Pat Spillane still hasn't recovered from losing in 2003, 2005, and 2008. The '03 ambush was the most heinous of all! If you go back before then, the rise of Ulster teams in the 90's was welcomed by RTE/TSG and Tyrone were admired in 1995 and 1996. But they didn't annoy Pat at the time.

As for the aforementioned Brolly, he has been rabid in his criticism of Donegal since 2011, vilifying their tactics at every turn. He was also accuser-in-chief against Cavanagh, McCann and Tyrone in 2015 and 2018. I'm not sure that you are using WB regarding RTE due to their treatment of Tyrone and Ulster, but if so then you have to accept the same moniker for Brolly by definition.

All told it might be better to leave the politically charged rhetoric out of what is a discussion on a game of football between two neighboring counties.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 21/07/2021 17:03:18    2362579

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Replying To budlight:  "Going to be a great game of football, wont be much in it either way. Nobody is making out that McCurry is a saviour but he's definitely a player with confidence at the minute and will thieve in Croke Park on Ulster final day. The power of Tyrone's bench will have a big say next day out too when you see the calibre of players that can come on and push on last 15-20 mins."
Monaghan have a very strong bench too.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5795 - 21/07/2021 17:07:11    2362581

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Replying To patk:  "Got to love the smugness of some of the Tyrone lads once they win a couple on the bounce. I'm not sure where the great confidence comes from that this is their final to lose? To me there's nothing much between the two sides, and I wouldn't be surprised to see either the winner. I doubt there'll be much in it at the end. For all the talk of Tyrone's great firepower, I think we've been doing pretty well in that department ourselves this year. I'd say it could well come down to which team can prevent conceding goals.

And regarding the prospects of the Ulster winner meeting Kerry, you'd do well to remember the hiding that Kerry gave Tyrone not long ago."
Not smugness just facts. Tyrone and Donegal are a better team than Monaghan. 4 goal start against Armagh and they fell over the line, if ye played Armagh in the morning I'd still fancy Armagh so don't get over confident. I'm not a gambler but I'd hate to have my money on Monaghan +1.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 21/07/2021 17:17:47    2362584

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "You used the phrase yourself and then take offence when its used in ironic retort? That's somewhat inconsistent.

Funny enough I agree that RTE have been offside in dealing with Ulster in general and Tyrone/Donegal in particular (last Sunday's preamble before the the clash between the two was instructive). However, I think you are misdiagnosing the problem. It has zero to do with any sort of anti-Northern bias in RTE and 100% to do with the fact that Pat Spillane still hasn't recovered from losing in 2003, 2005, and 2008. The '03 ambush was the most heinous of all! If you go back before then, the rise of Ulster teams in the 90's was welcomed by RTE/TSG and Tyrone were admired in 1995 and 1996. But they didn't annoy Pat at the time.

As for the aforementioned Brolly, he has been rabid in his criticism of Donegal since 2011, vilifying their tactics at every turn. He was also accuser-in-chief against Cavanagh, McCann and Tyrone in 2015 and 2018. I'm not sure that you are using WB regarding RTE due to their treatment of Tyrone and Ulster, but if so then you have to accept the same moniker for Brolly by definition.

All told it might be better to leave the politically charged rhetoric out of what is a discussion on a game of football between two neighboring counties."
Agreed. It's not that long ago that the BBC refused to announce the GAA results on the sabbath. Whatever it's shortcomings RTE is still the national broadcaster.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 188 - 21/07/2021 17:59:52    2362601

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Replying To TYE08:  "Had a good laugh at this. Seems its more the monaghan men who are the confident ones. Anyone tyrone ones I know are excited at the prospect of the team not that they are certain they will win.

Based on history tyrone have had monaghans number on a number of occasions. Monaghan like dongeal seem to think they are better than they actually are. Tyrone have no expectations for the last number of years as we no the game plan played under harte wasn't going to win the big games. Whoever wins I expect them to be well beaten by kerry.

Regarding Darren I agree he has flattered to deceive on recent years however that was based on a more cautious defensive game plan. He may come good against monaghan and issue you a dose of humble pie."
How did you come to that conclusion? I've always said it'll be a tight game and there won't be much in it, and my initial comment was in response to a Tyrone poster saying it's Tyrone's to lose. Yet it's the Monaghan people who are the confident ones?

Had a good laugh at this myself.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 911 - 21/07/2021 18:05:23    2362605

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not smugness just facts. Tyrone and Donegal are a better team than Monaghan. 4 goal start against Armagh and they fell over the line, if ye played Armagh in the morning I'd still fancy Armagh so don't get over confident. I'm not a gambler but I'd hate to have my money on Monaghan +1."
How is it "facts" to say Tyrone only need to be at 80%, and that you can only see Tyrone by a handful of points? This only enhances my point of you being smug.

On a day like Saturday, getting over the line into the final was the only objective. Didn't matter whether we won by 2 or 20. It was an extremely draining day for Monaghan, the heat only being one part of that. Armagh are a right good side, and getting back in front of them after them going ahead by 2, showed great resilience to be honest.

I could always say that Tyrone were a man up over a Donegal side lacking ideas, who were without their full back and their leader for most of the game, yet could only put them away in the last 10 minutes. But that wouldn't be a fair reflection of their performance on the day. It's funny how you can frame things a certain way to try to make a point.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 911 - 21/07/2021 18:13:15    2362606

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Replying To seanie08:  "2 in it at the end actually but yeah agree with rest. Think you are remembering 2015 when ye were by far the better side but all talk afterwards was nonsence from both sides at the finish. Tyrone have always been the better side v us at croke Park and will be warm favourites here. Hopefully we can buck the trend come 31st."
That's the one Seanie. Getting old!!!

Listen Tyrone will be slight favourites. Absolutely no one will be surprised if Monaghan win.

I suppose it comes down to weather or not we can hold McManus and McCarron to decent totals.

One thing that does worry me is Monaghan's ability to score goals. Tyrone, on the other hand, can't seem to score goals.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2015 - 21/07/2021 18:25:26    2362609

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not smugness just facts. Tyrone and Donegal are a better team than Monaghan. 4 goal start against Armagh and they fell over the line, if ye played Armagh in the morning I'd still fancy Armagh so don't get over confident. I'm not a gambler but I'd hate to have my money on Monaghan +1."
Tyrone can have a wobble on the day against Monaghan and still win. Monaghan have to get everything right for themselves and still that might not be enough. That's the situation and most reasonable Monaghan supporters are well aware of it.

The depth of Tyrone panel is a clear advantage and the bench can dig the starting 15 out of a hole if it so transpires. I don't think we can say that about Monaghan just yet.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 21/07/2021 18:26:17    2362610

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Replying To patk:  "How did you come to that conclusion? I've always said it'll be a tight game and there won't be much in it, and my initial comment was in response to a Tyrone poster saying it's Tyrone's to lose. Yet it's the Monaghan people who are the confident ones?

Had a good laugh at this myself."
Lol my bad, I replied to the wrong post. Meant to reply to the other lad who listed half the tyrone panel stating that he wasn't worried about them.

It will be another tight cagey game. Would expect the monghan players to be fired up for it.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 21/07/2021 19:44:29    2362633

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Please god Monaghon beat Tyrone. id say other 30 counties will be up for Monaghon.

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 586 - 21/07/2021 23:05:59    2362699

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Tyrone can have a wobble on the day against Monaghan and still win. Monaghan have to get everything right for themselves and still that might not be enough. That's the situation and most reasonable Monaghan supporters are well aware of it.

The depth of Tyrone panel is a clear advantage and the bench can dig the starting 15 out of a hole if it so transpires. I don't think we can say that about Monaghan just yet."
Your right Eddie, any team can have a wobbler but as a Tyrone supporter I'm confident. Your earlier post about RTÉ was spot on. Looking forward to game to see how it pans out.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 21/07/2021 23:07:48    2362701

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "You used the phrase yourself and then take offence when its used in ironic retort? That's somewhat inconsistent.

Funny enough I agree that RTE have been offside in dealing with Ulster in general and Tyrone/Donegal in particular (last Sunday's preamble before the the clash between the two was instructive). However, I think you are misdiagnosing the problem. It has zero to do with any sort of anti-Northern bias in RTE and 100% to do with the fact that Pat Spillane still hasn't recovered from losing in 2003, 2005, and 2008. The '03 ambush was the most heinous of all! If you go back before then, the rise of Ulster teams in the 90's was welcomed by RTE/TSG and Tyrone were admired in 1995 and 1996. But they didn't annoy Pat at the time.

As for the aforementioned Brolly, he has been rabid in his criticism of Donegal since 2011, vilifying their tactics at every turn. He was also accuser-in-chief against Cavanagh, McCann and Tyrone in 2015 and 2018. I'm not sure that you are using WB regarding RTE due to their treatment of Tyrone and Ulster, but if so then you have to accept the same moniker for Brolly by definition.

All told it might be better to leave the politically charged rhetoric out of what is a discussion on a game of football between two neighboring counties."
Ok, After this I'm happy to leave it...

You called someone from the 6 counties a West brit. Not because of anything they do or stand for but because of the geographical location as to which they live. That to me is unacceptable..

I used the term West Brit TV to describe RTE as they have an pro british/partitionist outlook and seem to have a love to all things British. The original reference was made to the fact that RTE have an anti Tyrone sentiment and continually highlight and give a national platform to everything that they do or dont do, knowing all the time this happens in all counties.
(Examples -
GPS tracker thrown 2017 final?? god above imagine that was a Tyrone player that done that!
2018 semi final and the consistent off the ball fouling and dragging (Referee was looking at it, nearly tripped over him!!)) on P Harte especially on the goal chance late in the game to equalize - what did RTE do - not even mention it
Murphys leg breaker on Sunday - highlighted McKernan for jumping up an down and argued about it being accidental - WTF??

This then leads to the narrative about tyrone that people love to jump on, all aided and abetted by the media. That ****** me off, and I apologise for the use of the term Eddie, you caught me on a bad day

As for the game between neighbours, cant wait and its very close to call. Cant see Tyrone giving space for 4/5 goals again, but they also wont score too many. I think it will become a point shoot out, and this is where I think Tyrone have a slight edge (McManus is the best on the field but I think Tyrone have more long rang shooters)

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 22/07/2021 09:48:23    2362742

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Replying To dickie10:  "Please god Monaghon beat Tyrone. id say other 30 counties will be up for Monaghon."
Lol what's the hate with tyrone.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 22/07/2021 11:09:58    2362774

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Replying To dickie10:  "Please god Monaghon beat Tyrone. id say other 30 counties will be up for Monaghon."
It's all in your name

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 22/07/2021 13:07:13    2362833

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Your right Eddie, any team can have a wobbler but as a Tyrone supporter I'm confident. Your earlier post about RTÉ was spot on. Looking forward to game to see how it pans out."
Would you be confident of beating Kerry in a semi? I think your big loss down there in the league could work out brilliant for ye in the long run!

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 22/07/2021 22:24:43    2363019

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It's going to be a very close game, I have great respect for monaghan , on paper Tyrone have the edge but just , but that's on paper, it's a Ulster final and both teams will be reading to go !!. Also I would add to offer my condolences to the family and friends of the late Brendan Duffy may he rest in peace . God bless

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/07/2021 19:04:31    2363247

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Would you be confident of beating Kerry in a semi? I think your big loss down there in the league could work out brilliant for ye in the long run!"
I'd be confident with either Tyrone or Monaghan taking on Connaught, but with Kerry it would be hope.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 23/07/2021 23:41:22    2363321

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