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No League Finals - A Joke

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The GAA has amateur players performing at a professional level. It has also truly amateur administration at the highest levels.

Arranging a competition with a 1 week gap to the semi finals, then saying there isn't enough time to play the final. Rules on venues that become known to most after the venue is decided.

If an extra week rest is now deemed critical before a major knock out game, why does the GAA calendar pencil in the Ulster Final 1 week after the Munster Final knowing they will play each other?

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 743 - 31/05/2021 13:12:52    2346936

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Same thing happened last year, more than a fair chance we would have won the league if the GAA had played the final. Precedent was set then.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4115 - 31/05/2021 13:27:24    2346947

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Replying To ArmaghCat:  "Might be for the top 8 teams or so but the National Hurling League is highly competitive and taken very seriously....there is more to hurling than 8 teams"
And I'm not denying that. It's good that it's highly competitive and taken seriously in the lower divisions and long may that continue. But at Liam McCarthy level it is only a warm up competition and for experimenting.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1593 - 31/05/2021 13:54:14    2346962

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Isn't it amazing all the same the amount of lads that are ( not from Kerry ) that are the first to react. I like that. And , the lovely Michael, with only the one username too. You must think we all came down in the last shower.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 31/05/2021 14:43:55    2346998

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Replying To catch22:  "Isn't it amazing all the same the amount of lads that are ( not from Kerry ) that are the first to react. I like that. And , the lovely Michael, with only the one username too. You must think we all came down in the last shower."
I like it too- this is good yes and no going forward for me. Do u like the president

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 31/05/2021 14:59:40    2347006

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Colm Cooper is correct stating no league finals is undermining the integrity of the competitions. Surely one extra match as a final could be facilitated??
The league of Ireland can play a 20 match season , surely to god we can complete a 5 match league schedule ffs. Are the GAA saving money on medals or what??"
why can't people recognise it for what it is this year and get over it. Its preseason for the championship that doesn't have any real impact except for those demoted from div 2 (next year assuming the new championship format comes into play and even then they have a chance to go straight back up). Cooper must feel a bit upset that nobody is talking about the football this year and the hurling panelists are talking up a storm of controversy.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1259 - 31/05/2021 15:02:40    2347009

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Happened in the hurling last year and they just used the first round of Munster as the final as the draw worked out that way.


Why not do the same with the league match between the 2 sides next year? Have them in Croker in front of the biggest crowd in 2 years. . .division 2 and 3 finals on a Saturday, division 1 and 4 finals on the Sunday, and give each team 3 home and 3 away games from their other 6 fixtures.

A great start to next year's league and some closure and reward for teams and fans of the 8 successful teams from this year."
I see merit in this idea.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 31/05/2021 15:07:08    2347014

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Of course it could be fitted in. If Tyrone beat Kerry and you beat Donegal there will be a final. They should ve just let top of North and south play each other in final or else forget the two week gap and play a final."
And what if the best two teams in one of them groups ? There is a strong possibility that both mayo and Meath will progress and get promoted but if we used that system Meath would have lost out.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 31/05/2021 15:09:49    2347017

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Replying To catch22:  "Isn't it amazing all the same the amount of lads that are ( not from Kerry ) that are the first to react. I like that. And , the lovely Michael, with only the one username too. You must think we all came down in the last shower."
It's almost as amazing as you being able to bring Kerry into any topic.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 703 - 31/05/2021 15:23:03    2347025

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Replying To tonguey:  "I like it too- this is good yes and no going forward for me. Do u like the president"
Only the red shoe will do.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 31/05/2021 15:23:59    2347027

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I see merit in this idea."
Yeah, if anything it makes the league final way more important than usual.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3478 - 31/05/2021 16:21:34    2347068

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Same thing happened last year, more than a fair chance we would have won the league if the GAA had played the final. Precedent was set then."
No it was different last year. There were no semi finals last year and there never was going to be. A semi final means there should be a final. Why have semi s if there s a chance of not being a final. It does nt make sense.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2679 - 31/05/2021 16:27:51    2347073

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Replying To tonguey:  "I like it too- this is good yes and no going forward for me. Do u like the president"
Catch or mermaid must ve very wet. Obviously did come down in the last shower. I have one Username and one only and I can swear on my life and kids life on it. Can others? I wonder. Insecure folk might need another username. I'm not afraid to air my views upfront. I don't have to hide like some. Some folk way off the mark. There is none so blind as those who can't see.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2679 - 31/05/2021 16:32:29    2347078

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Replying To tyroneed:  "The GAA has amateur players performing at a professional level. It has also truly amateur administration at the highest levels.

Arranging a competition with a 1 week gap to the semi finals, then saying there isn't enough time to play the final. Rules on venues that become known to most after the venue is decided.

If an extra week rest is now deemed critical before a major knock out game, why does the GAA calendar pencil in the Ulster Final 1 week after the Munster Final knowing they will play each other?"
Good point Tyroneed

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2679 - 31/05/2021 16:34:03    2347080

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Glorified practice games

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8269 - 31/05/2021 16:51:10    2347092

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Replying To tyroneed:  "The GAA has amateur players performing at a professional level. It has also truly amateur administration at the highest levels.

Arranging a competition with a 1 week gap to the semi finals, then saying there isn't enough time to play the final. Rules on venues that become known to most after the venue is decided.

If an extra week rest is now deemed critical before a major knock out game, why does the GAA calendar pencil in the Ulster Final 1 week after the Munster Final knowing they will play each other?"
And who said an extra weeks rest is critical before a major knock out game ? And extra on top of what ?

There will still be a two week gap between the Ulster final and the All-Ireland semi final, which is perfect, so I don't see what the issue is, any more is too much.

I'd sooner have a two week break that a three week break, assuming there's no injuries of course, which no one can plan for anyway.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 31/05/2021 16:52:24    2347093

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And what if the best two teams in one of them groups ? There is a strong possibility that both mayo and Meath will progress and get promoted but if we used that system Meath would have lost out."
Of course Meath would have lost out, because they couldn't beat Mayo. That doesn't take from the suggestion. There's a thing called the luck of the draw. Anyway, there's nothing at all between Clare, Kildare and Meath when it comes to football. You might find that out a bit sooner than you anticipate.

At least, we'd have had a final and some definite conclusion to each division.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 658 - 31/05/2021 17:02:57    2347096

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Don't really care. How many people can remember anything about league finals from 2 or 3 years ago? If the finals were to go ahead this year, some teams would not take them seriously anyway - they would just rest a bunch of players for the following week's championship match, so what's the point?

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 907 - 31/05/2021 17:08:16    2347098

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And what if the best two teams in one of them groups ? There is a strong possibility that both mayo and Meath will progress and get promoted but if we used that system Meath would have lost out."
Well someone has to lose out Royal Dunne. I mean two teams qualifying for a semi out of 4 is a bit Irish anyway. I would like nothing more than seeing Meath back at the top table but not this way. The 2nd team could still play for promotion but the top one from each group straight into final. However it is what it is and now there s still no reason why they could nt play final week s after semi finals.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2679 - 31/05/2021 17:24:48    2347104

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Don't really care. How many people can remember anything about league finals from 2 or 3 years ago? If the finals were to go ahead this year, some teams would not take them seriously anyway - they would just rest a bunch of players for the following week's championship match, so what's the point?"
Teams who reach the final of a competition deserve to play that final. These finals could and should be played in Croke Park on a National League Finals weekend. The semi finals should be played this weekend and the finals should be played on the following weekend. That would leave a fortnight for all teams to prepare for the championship. Who are the clowns who come up with these rules?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5594 - 31/05/2021 18:06:15    2347117

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