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Replying To Galway9801:  "Has breaking the rules delayed the reopening though?
Once our government, who apparently are allowed do whatever they want because they were elected (though they weren't really), decided to send us into lockdown, there was never going to be any real chance of the economy rebounding until a vaccine was created and distributed, so even if everyone did exactly as they were told, to a tee, the economy would have still been unable to get going again (apart from Netflix and amazon of course)."
Sorry who was elected then ? My calculations say 51% of the population voted for one of grns fg or ff. that's a majority isn't it ? Also they have the seats. Again part of our democracy. You may not like the result but don't pretend this is not a legitimate government.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/04/2021 21:33:05    2335708

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Sorry who was elected then ? My calculations say 51% of the population voted for one of grns fg or ff. that's a majority isn't it ? Also they have the seats. Again part of our democracy. You may not like the result but don't pretend this is not a legitimate government."
47% of people say that is incorrect

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 01/04/2021 21:42:07    2335709

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It isnt discriminating at all.
Care to show how it is discriminating?
That belittles all the racism/sexism and all other actual serious issues and cases where people are discriminated because of their race/gender/sexual orientation etc"
I think that you have a strong case when you argue that the word discrimination is most readily used in relation to issues of race, creed, gender and sexual orientation KillingFields. However when it came to the application of the definition of elite sports male and female hurlers and gaelic footballers were unfairly treated.
The definition of elite sports was not applied equitably. Professionalism was perhaps the single most important criterion.There are amateur rugby and soccer teams training and playing away with the permission of the government. The Irish women's rugby team is overwhelmingly populated by amateur players. The professional players amongst the squad also work as GPOs in the community. The squad is travelling to Wales for a game on the 10th of April. They then welcome France the following weekend and they may end up travelling to Italy for their final game. The vast majority of the panel are either students or they work in the community. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. A lot of the players don't even get expenses. Their league started last weekend. In Division One of The LOI there are entirely amateur teams such as UCD and Wexford Youths. The Echo in Cork reported before Christmas that Cork City would be amateur this season. Do Cabinteely, Treaty United and Athlone pay their players on a full time basis? I very much doubt it. Do they pay them at all? The players in the sports I have mentioned above are living and working in the community in the exact same way that senior inter county male and female hurlers and footballers do. They have all been allowed to train and play by the government. Yet male and female gaelic footballers and hurlers have been banned from training and playing by the government for the last three months. It may not amount to discrimination KillingFields but it is most certainly unfair and inequitable treatment.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 01/04/2021 21:43:10    2335710

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Can someone clarify for me. The Dublin Gaa have suspended Dessie Farrell. Not the central body, as in the CCCC.... this is an internal suspension so yes? As opposed to an official gaa disciplinary sanction.

Can the CCCC loans another suspension on the Dublin man like Ronan McCarthy ?"
Dublin County Board have suspended Farrell for 12 weeks.

The GAA itself is yet to hand out any punishment but probably will in the next few days one imagines.

The GAA can ban Farrell for longer or shorter. If it's a shorter ban he'll still have to serve his County Board suspension.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 01/04/2021 21:47:57    2335712

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Replying To tonguey:  "what about the players- are they also being suspended?? Cop out from Dublin."
Whole team should be suspended , happy now -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 01/04/2021 21:53:26    2335716

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Replying To tonguey:  "what about the players- are they also being suspended?? Cop out from Dublin."
No they're not. Nor should they be. No players from Down or Cork were suspended. Dublin like Cork and Down will lose home advantage in one league game.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 01/04/2021 21:55:34    2335717

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Don't know why you're trying to be smart. Sure let everyone back and forget the rules, it's just a pandemic"
Yeah , I know , 9 lads in a field.
News of the world. Dreadful altogether.
A pandemic, and this is big,big news.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 01/04/2021 21:58:51    2335718

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I wouldn't get too excited about it, every team will be back at full training in a few weeks anyway, only thing that would annoy me about it is it gives the anti GAA crowd a stick to beat us with, bit like the SF politicians attending the Bobby Storey funeral, bad optics and not 'on message' as the pc crowd would say these days.
Don't think this would have happened under Jim Gavin no harm to Dessie, anyway I don't expect it to do anything to derail the Dubs and it will be long forgotten about when Dublin are lifting Sam again this year.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3182 - 01/04/2021 22:09:50    2335720

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Replying To Galway9801:  "If the gaa are barred from playing, so should the league of Ireland be, as loi players have jobs outside of their sport too."
LOI competitions run along side the UEFA calender and all leagues across Europe are playing at the moment. Also our teams are in European club competition come July and one other point is not one Covid violation was broken by the Football player's or clubsin the country during the past 12 months ....pity we can't say the same about our club and county team

superos (Roscommon) - Posts: 49 - 01/04/2021 22:10:18    2335721

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "So for all of you brushing this off as an overreaction, here are the stats. Almost 4.7k deaths in the country, families impacted beyond words & traumatized as they had to pick and chose who could attend funerals- hurts & traumas that will never heal. Many long established businesses have been destroyed - some of them having been in families for generations. I haven't seen many members of my family in a year - elderly people prisoners in their homes in their twilight years. Missed cancer diagnosis & delayed health care delivery.
As a country we will be paying the multi dimensional psychological & economic costs of this pandemic for years. It is about the spirit of the guidance & that sense of the collective that has been lost and a damned sense of entitlement by a few - whether that be golfing societies in Mayo, vaccine distribution by those who have power over supply or inter county players conducting training sessions. I would suggest that the next time these players look to do their photo opportunities in hospitals, they should not be given access. What they did was a slap in the face to the bereaved & to front line workers & to the sacrifices made by so many."
And how many of that was caused by GAA players? Consider the huge amount of deaths caused by a Govt that didnt consider nursing homes, levt airports open etc etc. Spare us the outrage, my mother went into hospital last summer with a stroke and got covid off a member of staff and died. So yeah the system is a killing machine

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 01/04/2021 22:27:17    2335722

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Sorry who was elected then ? My calculations say 51% of the population voted for one of grns fg or ff. that's a majority isn't it ? Also they have the seats. Again part of our democracy. You may not like the result but don't pretend this is not a legitimate government."
Couldn't agree more. I can't stand FF/FG but at the end of the day they're a very legitimate government.

PR system is way more democratic than the UK's FPTP system for example.

Yes SF got the most 1st preference votes but that's not the name of the game so it doesn't matter a sh1t and if it was the name of the game there's zero guarantee that the outcome would've been the same in that regard.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4519 - 01/04/2021 22:30:15    2335723

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Who's be training in the Hyde?"
Sulkies

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 01/04/2021 22:30:54    2335724

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Replying To arock:  "And how many of that was caused by GAA players? Consider the huge amount of deaths caused by a Govt that didnt consider nursing homes, levt airports open etc etc. Spare us the outrage, my mother went into hospital last summer with a stroke and got covid off a member of staff and died. So yeah the system is a killing machine"
Sorry for your loss.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 01/04/2021 22:33:09    2335725

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Replying To arock:  "And how many of that was caused by GAA players? Consider the huge amount of deaths caused by a Govt that didnt consider nursing homes, levt airports open etc etc. Spare us the outrage, my mother went into hospital last summer with a stroke and got covid off a member of staff and died. So yeah the system is a killing machine"
Spot on, and my condolences on the loss of your mother.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3182 - 01/04/2021 22:38:08    2335729

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for stupidity alone, the players and fitness coach that took parts should all get 12 week bans. By having it at 6 in the morning, they were obviously trying to get away with breaking the rules. Very sneaky by the dublin CB giving the ban to ensure he is back for championship. Are the GAA going to leave that ban and set a precedent that CB's decide their own punishments when they break national laws and rules. Some crack if they take away home advantage in the league...they'll probably play the games in croker then instead of parnell park!!!!!!!!!!
wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1504 - 01/04/2021 20:50:57
Or they had it at 6am simply to allow the players train and then go to work just like many athletes do in multiple sports.

And where is all this racism and sexism taking place? Do you live in Russia?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7897 - 01/04/2021 21:01:29 Just look at the news, see posts by many female journalists, commentators on issues of all kinds on social media and look at comments below them and there's so many misogynistic posts

I think that you have a strong case when you argue that the word discrimination is most readily used in relation to issues of race, creed, gender and sexual orientation KillingFields. However when it came to the application of the definition of elite sports male and female hurlers and gaelic footballers were unfairly treated.
The definition of elite sports was not applied equitably. Professionalism was perhaps the single most important criterion.There are amateur rugby and soccer teams training and playing away with the permission of the government. The Irish women's rugby team is overwhelmingly populated by amateur players. The professional players amongst the squad also work as GPOs in the community. The squad is travelling to Wales for a game on the 10th of April. They then welcome France the following weekend and they may end up travelling to Italy for their final game. The vast majority of the panel are either students or they work in the community. The National Women's League in soccer is entirely amateur. A lot of the players don't even get expenses. Their league started last weekend. In Division One of The LOI there are entirely amateur teams such as UCD and Wexford Youths. The Echo in Cork reported before Christmas that Cork City would be amateur this season. Do Cabinteely, Treaty United and Athlone pay their players on a full time basis? I very much doubt it. Do they pay them at all? The players in the sports I have mentioned above are living and working in the community in the exact same way that senior inter county male and female hurlers and footballers do. They have all been allowed to train and play by the government. Yet male and female gaelic footballers and hurlers have been banned from training and playing by the government for the last three months. It may not amount to discrimination KillingFields but it is most certainly unfair and inequitable treatment.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5278 - 01/04/2021 21:43:10 Elite was probably wrong word to be used by government and the definition was essentially changes for 2021. The top hurlers and footballers werent unfairly treated.
There isnt really many adult rugby sides training away and there definitely isnt any amatuer rugby sides playing games right now.
Womens national rugby team does contain a considerable number of professional players and many others who work as development officers in schools but since schools have been closed/none of that work going ahead they can just train. many/most are not working in the community at all

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 01/04/2021 22:43:27    2335730

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I think that's it. If same was to happen in Meath I'd say the same thing. So close to having gaa return in may, to do something silly like this will only amplify the anti gaa crowd (who have crawled out from under their rocks) in huge numbers lately. Need a strong signal to be sent out. Regardless of county"
Don't often agree with you but your right about the anti GAA brigade. I'd be disappointed if Tyrone weren't doing the same. No harm in it compared to golf dinners and the like. To many people on high horses. Papers should make a headline about the fact that the 2 soccer managers of the South and North haven't won a match between them.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 01/04/2021 22:48:23    2335731

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The 12 week ban was well thought out, as it doesn't include championship football, someone asks why did Dublin do it.? The only reason I can think of is the fact that they are going for seven all Irelands in a row, - they're hardly training for the O'Byrne cup or the NFL.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3178 - 01/04/2021 22:52:07    2335732

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Replying To Canuck:  "This nonsense needs to stop. The pic shows five people, one supposedly a coach out in a field spaced out. If this is spreading covid then we are truly ******. With regards the rules the rest of the country needs to do the same in solidarity with this group. Go kick a ball around with your friends. Rules need to make some sense if you expect compliance. Phil Fanning wrote an article lately where by he was driving by the RSC and there was a full fledged soccer game on with two teams and a significant group of others around. Continuing on his way he went by several GAA grounds including Walsh Park and the gates were chained. It just did not make sense. The authorities every where are grasping at straws because they can not solve the real causes spreading this horrible virus. They are regulating the people who are complying the most because they can't control the real spreaders. I was in support of all and any regulations but now like many others getting tired of the smoke screens been put up. It's called losing the people.
If the GAA with its huge members and influence grew a pair instead of cowing to every thing we would be better off. Standing by watching other sports operating while their members are grounded. Follow good practices and do what is best for the over all health including mental of its members."
Agre, said weeks ago about rugby players in scrum with French and then an outbreak in the French camp. But sure GAA will do what their told. Not on.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 01/04/2021 22:58:37    2335733

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Replying To Rebel2020:  "How the hell are the rules discriminatory against the GAA?"
Have you not heard about the other team sports that are in progress ? The part time soccer players who are in the work place, community and training in group situations. Or is there something in other sports formats that immunes them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 01/04/2021 22:59:35    2335734

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Replying To superos:  "LOI competitions run along side the UEFA calender and all leagues across Europe are playing at the moment. Also our teams are in European club competition come July and one other point is not one Covid violation was broken by the Football player's or clubsin the country during the past 12 months ....pity we can't say the same about our club and county team"
Division One of The LOI has fully amateur teams in it. Irrespective of European calendars an unfair and inequitable distinction was made between two sets of amateur sportspeople in this country. That was wrong. Division One of The LOI should not have been given the imprimatur of the government if they weren't prepared to give the same imprimatur to male and female footballers and hurlers. LOI teams competing in Europe is in no way related to Division One of The LOI. The National Women's League is completely amateur. It too is being played. Your point about Covid violations is poorly made. Neither you or I have any idea what junior soccer players the length and breadth of the country did or did not do in relation to Covid violations. The LOI was extremely well policed in terms of Covid restrictions last year. So too were the hurling and football championships. Competing teams in The Lory Meaghar Cup Final were not even allowed eat their post match meal in the stadium. I presume it was the same for the rest of the competitions. I accept your point that what happened after club championship finals was completely unacceptable. I do know that the town of Dundalk was absolutely bouncing and that the pubs were packed on the night of The FAI Cup Final in December. There was a victory parade attended by a large crowd of people when the team coaches returned from Dublin. There was absolutely no social distancing. That was not reported at national level.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 01/04/2021 23:17:03    2335737

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