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Better watch what you are saying, or the far right might come after you, all 6 of them :D :D :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 21/12/2023 22:08:06 2517595 Link 1 |
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For sure. We have been the fastest growing country. As it is we have full employment, bar lads who can't or won't work. As the economy keeps growing so there will be need for more people to work. And a need to increase services like health, education and housing to keep up. These are also facts. Mihael Martin acknowledged as much, although this government has done little else except acknowledge it. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/06/23/census-2022-population-rises-above-five-million-for-first-time-since-1851/ Another fact is that most of the 20% you talk about are EU and UK citizens. They are entitled to come here and live, as we are entitled to go there. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 21/12/2023 22:10:24 2517596 Link 1 |
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Most of our non Irish immigrants are here from the EU and the UK. Most of the rest are here on work permits. You only have to visit any hospital and you would see our country would fall apart without them. Only a small fraction, less than 10%, are non Ukrainian asylum seekers.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 21/12/2023 22:12:29 2517597 Link 0 |
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They are not actually. You might do some research. Check the work permits stats for a start. I can't be correcting people all the time. I give you a correct % and then you misinterpret it,
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3125 - 22/12/2023 08:19:05 2517608 Link 0 |
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But obviously anyone granted a work permit to work here must be employed and therefore necessarily in the country. As has been said before our health service for example would collapse altogether as many of these are granted for health workers.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 08:38:45 2517609 Link 0 |
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"Census figures show that one in ten (12%) of people living in Ireland were non-Irish citizens, an increase from 11% in Census 2016. Half of non-Irish citizens living in Ireland were citizens of other EU countries and 13% were citizens of the UK. The remaining 37% were citizens from countries outside of the EU and UK, including countries in Asia (16%) and Africa (5%). The number of citizens from European countries outside of the EU/UK increased by 131%, largely due to arrivals from Ukraine following the war." https://emn.ie/one-in-ten-of-the-population-are-non-irish-citizens-census-2022-figures-show/#:~:text=Half%20of%20non%2DIrish%20citizens,were%20citizens%20of%20the%20UK. As you can see Barney you are wrong, most of the non Irish in Ireland, 63%, are from the EU and UK. And a large proportion of the rest, some 30%, are here from the Ukraine on humanitarian grounds. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 08:44:11 2517610 Link 0 |
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I have 4 nieces and nephews who Barney classes as "non Irish" because they weren't born here. Their parents are Irish, they were living/working in England when the children were born. They came back home late 90s and all 4 live here full time. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 22/12/2023 10:37:08 2517628 Link 0 |
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Viking, I have corrected this for Barney and he choses to ignore it. The almost 20% (its 19%) of non-Irish he is quoting has been seen in headlines about the census - what the 19% represents is people who have not exclusively identified themselves as Irish, it includes people who identify themselves as Irish and something else and no nationality at all. The 12% are people who identify themselves as exclusively as another nationality. Looking back over the years the last decade is not where the largest % increase came and it really came with the eastern European countries been added to the the EU. What I found surprising is that even in the 2006-2011 period the numbers continued to increase despite the property bust and the recession that followed. An unscientific assumption would be that Ireland has also got hooked on cheap labor which local Irish don't want to have to do anymore or there is just not enough to do it. The change in the immigrants has really been one of color, if all these immigrants came from eastern Europe and were white would be see the same level of complaints? zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 22/12/2023 13:01:47 2517636 Link 0 |
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I present facts, you provide anecdotes.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3125 - 22/12/2023 13:52:34 2517638 Link 0 |
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Present the correct facts then Barney. The facts I quoted I provided a reputable source for. The 2022 Census. The bottom line is non Ukrainian asylum seekers are a fraction of our annual immigrants. Less than 10%. The rest are entitled to be here under the terms of the CTA or our membership of the EU, or are necessary for the country to keep going and here on work permits. That's why none of the mainstream parties can talk s###e about capping immigration as such. To do so in any meaningful way would mean withdrawing from the CTA or the EU. Or both. Which would mean economic suicide.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 18:24:33 2517650 Link 0 |
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Zinny, the 19% in the census are people who were born in a country other than Ireland. The Census was in March 2022. BEFORE the arrival of over 100,000 more people born in a country other than Ireland, And with the net migration of several thousand people born in Ireland. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3125 - 22/12/2023 18:33:44 2517654 Link 0 |
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"There were almost 632,000 non-Irish citizens living in Ireland in Census 2022, which was 12% of the population. Almost 313,000, or nearly half, were citizens of European Union (EU) countries, and over 83,000 were UK citizens" That's copied and pasted directly from the census Barney. https://www.cso.ie/en/csolatestnews/pressreleases/2023pressreleases/pressstatementcensus2022resultsprofile5-diversitymigrationethnicityirishtravellersreligion/ Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 19:08:15 2517657 Link 0 |
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How reliable is the census? Genuine question. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 22/12/2023 19:37:05 2517661 Link 0 |
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I agree with your point about us becoming hooked on cheap labour, and to an extent I agree with your point about irish people being more inclined towards immigration from eastern Europe, but to be fair there has been a lack of integration from immigrants of all backgrounds,including eastern Europe. I live close to ballybane in Galway city and even between kids who were born and reared here in Ireland, there seems to be a lack of integration except in forced settings such as classrooms or sports clubs. I don't see any real desire to come together from any community tbh, with most citizens, white Irish and non white Irish alike seemingly happy to not make the effort. United Ireland my a##e. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 22/12/2023 19:45:53 2517663 Link 1 |
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Does it mention the percentage of people who filled out the census form. It's not like they make you do it while they sit and watch. I'd guess there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of households all over Ireland who never bothered filling it out. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 22/12/2023 20:03:24 2517665 Link 1 |
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I'd say most immigrants live in cities. It's where most of the work is. Most work in the health and hospitality sectors apparently, so cities that have major hospitals are likely to have more immigrants also. The relative economic prosperity we have enjoyed since the 90s has been backboned by foreign investment, and largely due to our membership of the EU. As we have got more prosperous as a country, of course more lads will want to come here to make a new life for themselves, as many Irish people did over the last couple of centuries elsewhere.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 20:07:14 2517667 Link 0 |
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There are over a MILLION people born outside of the country. Citizenship is neither here nor there. It is easiest state in world to get citizenship in. That by the way is a press release. Look at the tables. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3125 - 22/12/2023 20:36:57 2517668 Link 0 |
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First up it's a hard enough country to get citizenship in. You have to live and work here for a long time if you haven't close Irish relatives. As regards the 1m not born here 313000 are from the EU. 83000 are from the UK. There will be many more here born to Irish parents abroad. These are all entitled to be here. There are 100s of 1000s here on working permits here also. The country needs these people. And more like them if we are going to address the staff shortages in our hospitals and schools. And that's not even getting into the construction workers we are going to have to bring in to build all the houses that should've been built over the last 20 years. Who exactly do you think we can stop coming in who are coming as it is, and how many do you think there would be? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 22/12/2023 21:37:54 2517670 Link 3 |
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There's always been an anti gaa agenda from soccer muppets especially. But for decades especially in limerick soccer supporters opinions matter naught freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 757 - 22/12/2023 23:20:03 2517675 Link 0 |
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Some horrible sneering articles today in RTE about the GAA. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2565 - 30/12/2023 13:05:35 2517868 Link 0 |