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Replying To browncows:  "I agree with you Duff has some cheek, is the man living on the same planet as the rest of use. The GAA thru volunteers have one of not two pitches in every parish in the country north and south with over 90% of them put there without any government grants. It is a fact that we all pay huge tax on the fuel we use to drive to matches and sport gives our younf folk a great start in life experiences and discipline which follows. We do not pay our club players and we do not export our best players across the channel for huge sums. Duff needs to get a reality check, or is this a distraction to cover up the poor management he provides to his team- maybe he would do better if he concentrated on the job in hand."
Duff suggests that €50 million of Government money would be better spent on academies to develop soccer players.

That'd be like somebody saying the Government should divide €50 million between GAA County Boards to go towards the cost of running their underage Development Squads.

I don't think there's a GAA person alive who'd have the cheek or the nerve or the sheer stupidity to even suggest that.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 22/02/2024 13:23:04    2527551

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Replying To browncows:  "I agree with you Duff has some cheek, is the man living on the same planet as the rest of use. The GAA thru volunteers have one of not two pitches in every parish in the country north and south with over 90% of them put there without any government grants. It is a fact that we all pay huge tax on the fuel we use to drive to matches and sport gives our younf folk a great start in life experiences and discipline which follows. We do not pay our club players and we do not export our best players across the channel for huge sums. Duff needs to get a reality check, or is this a distraction to cover up the poor management he provides to his team- maybe he would do better if he concentrated on the job in hand."
I wonder has Duff any views on the FAI shower who the Government in effect nationalised due to their debts and Delaney etc.
Now they're trying to pull wool over the Governments eyes like the shifty dodgy organisation they (FAI) ares

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1950 - 22/02/2024 13:56:51    2527564

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Níl aon fhreagra agat seachas maslaí pearsanta. Nó ag tabhairt le tuiscint go bhfuil bréag á insint ag dhaoine eile.

Nl aon rud níos cráite ná sin, i mo thuairm :-)

Is cumann Woke an eite clé na Bohs."
Not insulting you. Woke is a term thrown at everyone who is slighlty left of centre, whether they have a valid point or not. You used the term which has been adopted by the hard right, especially in America. You also linked immigration as the reason less students are studying Irish, which is absolute nonsense. Feel free to debate the above if you wish.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 22/02/2024 14:13:41    2527568

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Not insulting you. Woke is a term thrown at everyone who is slighlty left of centre, whether they have a valid point or not. You used the term which has been adopted by the hard right, especially in America. You also linked immigration as the reason less students are studying Irish, which is absolute nonsense. Feel free to debate the above if you wish."
Woke is a self definition adopted by the American left, Nothing to do with Trump at all.

The fact that it is considered now to be an insult by the people who invented it is an illustration that people have had enough of the sanctimonious hypocrisy of the Woke left.

You still haven't said what you base your intimate knowledge of the schools on. I assume you are not a teacher, such as those who tell me that migrant children do indeed constitute a large cohort of those claiming exemptions from Irish.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 23/02/2024 07:53:15    2527642

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Not insulting you. Woke is a term thrown at everyone who is slighlty left of centre, whether they have a valid point or not. You used the term which has been adopted by the hard right, especially in America. You also linked immigration as the reason less students are studying Irish, which is absolute nonsense. Feel free to debate the above if you wish."
Nonsense.Woke attitudes are nothing to do with the left in fact they are driving normal left of centre people to the right.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1600 - 23/02/2024 08:22:38    2527645

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Woke is a self definition adopted by the American left, Nothing to do with Trump at all.

The fact that it is considered now to be an insult by the people who invented it is an illustration that people have had enough of the sanctimonious hypocrisy of the Woke left.

You still haven't said what you base your intimate knowledge of the schools on. I assume you are not a teacher, such as those who tell me that migrant children do indeed constitute a large cohort of those claiming exemptions from Irish."
I never said who created it , I said it has been adopted as by the right as the thing they are most against. I am not far left or far right, some of the nonsense that comes from both sides is tiresome but your use of the word woke and criticism of the woke left as you say plus your ill informed comments on immigrants and the Irish language paint a clear picture.

Also my limited knowledge you say? Did you read my posts? Now you are making assumptions. I have worked in education for the past 15 years and I am in schools every single day in 3 different provinces. I know the breakdown of the numbers doing Irish. Of course the vast majority of non nationals are exempt but the numbers of Irish kids being exempt is increasing year on year. I literally have the data and numbers from a huge number of schools.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 09:19:09    2527654

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Woke is a self definition adopted by the American left, Nothing to do with Trump at all.

The fact that it is considered now to be an insult by the people who invented it is an illustration that people have had enough of the sanctimonious hypocrisy of the Woke left.

You still haven't said what you base your intimate knowledge of the schools on. I assume you are not a teacher, such as those who tell me that migrant children do indeed constitute a large cohort of those claiming exemptions from Irish."
I think part of the problem you are facing Barney is the particular type of immigrant you have in North Dublin. Its unfair to tar all immigrants with the same brush. I'd say very few of the doctors, nurses, call centre operators, etc, immigrants that are working and contributing who are the large majority of immigrants as a whole in the country, are lurking around street corners in Blanch, Finglas etc during the day.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 23/02/2024 09:23:11    2527656

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Replying To jobber:  "Nonsense.Woke attitudes are nothing to do with the left in fact they are driving normal left of centre people to the right."
Did you read that over before you posted it? It makes no sense and it's a contradiction.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 09:54:54    2527661

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I never said who created it , I said it has been adopted as by the right as the thing they are most against. I am not far left or far right, some of the nonsense that comes from both sides is tiresome but your use of the word woke and criticism of the woke left as you say plus your ill informed comments on immigrants and the Irish language paint a clear picture.

Also my limited knowledge you say? Did you read my posts? Now you are making assumptions. I have worked in education for the past 15 years and I am in schools every single day in 3 different provinces. I know the breakdown of the numbers doing Irish. Of course the vast majority of non nationals are exempt but the numbers of Irish kids being exempt is increasing year on year. I literally have the data and numbers from a huge number of schools."
"Of course the vast majority of non nationals are exempt."

Which is what I said and you took exception to. Now you stating it as fact.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 23/02/2024 10:03:24    2527663

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "FAI are already looking for almost €700 million in State and Local Authority funding for their €863 million infrastructure "masterplan".

They say there's been "chronic" underfunding for more than 20 years while other sports (by which they mean gaelic games) got the lion's share.

May well be the case that GAA projects have received more, but fact remains that by far the largest single source of such funding has been the State Capital Grants (i.e. the "Lotto grants"), and that it's always been as perfectly open to soccer as well as the GAA to apply for it.

If soccer hasn't been able to put together applications and plans to the same high standard as GAA outfits, and hasn't been able to provide the same levels of matching funding, well then surely that falls at their own door."
Sports capital grants are awarded to clubs/groups/schools who own their grounds or have long term leases etc which gaa clubs in main have but many soccer clubs especially those in the cities do not.
They dont just refer to gaa. The soccer crowd refer to lot of other sports and sport organisations not just gaa.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 23/02/2024 10:28:01    2527673

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Bit of an aside, but with mention of Damien Duff here, a real example of how some PR spin can turn a negative into a positive -

His Shelbourne side play Shamrock Rovers tonight in what they're heralding as "the first sell-out crowd at Tolka Park since 2006".

But, Health & Safety concerns have seen the capacity of Tolka Park reduced over the past number of years from approx. 10,000 to less than half that.

So, positive spin - "our first sell-out crowd since 2006! Isn't it wonderful that there's such big interest in this Dublin Derby?!"

But, another version of the same story - "Health & Safety concerns have seen our capacity significantly reduced, and so we can't accommodate all who would like to attend this match. If we'd maintained the place properly over the years, we'd be able to welcome more fans, generate more income, and have an even greater occasion. We apologise to fans who have missed out on tickets because we can't accommodate as many as we used to be able to do."

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 23/02/2024 10:30:56    2527674

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  ""Of course the vast majority of non nationals are exempt."

Which is what I said and you took exception to. Now you stating it as fact."
Are you serious? We were talking about the drop off in Irish. I told you there is a huge increase in Irish kids being exempt. You originally said the high numbers were due to immigrants. That is not the same thing,

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 10:47:18    2527676

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Are you serious? We were talking about the drop off in Irish. I told you there is a huge increase in Irish kids being exempt. You originally said the high numbers were due to immigrants. That is not the same thing,"
You recognize that the vast majority of non nationals are exempt from Irish. Which is what i said and you denied!

You are contradicting yourself now.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 23/02/2024 11:22:47    2527686

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You recognize that the vast majority of non nationals are exempt from Irish. Which is what i said and you denied!

You are contradicting yourself now."
You are just spinning words now. Your whole original point was numbers were up due to non nationals. If you take non nationals out of it numbers of exemptions have increased massively for Irish kids. This whole debate is why the language is dying and being allowed to. Immigrants have nothing to do with it. You brought them into the argument.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 11:32:49    2527687

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Sports capital grants are awarded to clubs/groups/schools who own their grounds or have long term leases etc which gaa clubs in main have but many soccer clubs especially those in the cities do not.
They dont just refer to gaa. The soccer crowd refer to lot of other sports and sport organisations not just gaa."
You seem to be arguing against my post, but whether you realise it or not, you're actually backing it up.

In general, GAA clubs - even those in cities - were able through their own hard work over the years to put themselves in position to apply for Sports Capital Grants, and to put together strong enough applications to be awarded those grants.

In general, soccer clubs didn't do nearly so well, and that's what falls at their own door.

And yes, I know there are lots of other sports and other sporting organisations, but still, when the soccer community refers to "other sports getting more money", it's usually a fairly safe bet that they're referring to gaelic games more than anything else.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 23/02/2024 12:34:36    2527695

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You are just spinning words now. Your whole original point was numbers were up due to non nationals. If you take non nationals out of it numbers of exemptions have increased massively for Irish kids. This whole debate is why the language is dying and being allowed to. Immigrants have nothing to do with it. You brought them into the argument."
I hope you are not teaching the kids debating skills at least :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 23/02/2024 12:41:44    2527697

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I hope you are not teaching the kids debating skills at least :-)"
Great comeback .

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 12:46:45    2527700

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I hope you are not teaching the kids debating skills at least :-)"
There was a 43 per cent increase in exemptions in the 5 years from 2016 - 2021. Immigrants yeah?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 23/02/2024 13:20:28    2527707

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To be fair to Duff (what a player by the way in his day), he was very complimentary to the GAA's facilites a couple of years ago saying that their grounds and training centres were miles ahead of LOI teams.
I didn't like his "dinosaurs" jibe at the GAA back at the time of the Liam Miller game - he'd do well to remember that those same "dinosaurs" acoomodated the ROI team when they were effectively homeless.
As for his most recent comments regarding the €50 million for Casement, the main issue is that no-one can trust the FAI to spend taxpayers money correctly. Delaney is long gone but there still seems to be a cohort of chancers running the sport at the very top.

CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 23/02/2024 13:45:12    2527716

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "There was a 43 per cent increase in exemptions in the 5 years from 2016 - 2021. Immigrants yeah?"
Good man yourself derailing the chat from duff to immigration. maybe if you spent less school hours online getting triggered you would not be running around 3 provinces. Set up another discussion if you want and stop derailing this GAA one.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 23/02/2024 18:10:05    2527756

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