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Replying To ecad123: "I think it is you that are shortsighted. You are presuming that everyone in Ireland has access to reliable broadband and have the know how to set this up in the first place. Again the likes of yourself don't think nor care about the older generation in rural Ireland whos highlight of the week is watch the hurling at the weekend. In a pandemic the gaa should have managed to get these on free to air for this championship. I was talking to a few people earlier today and everyone of them did not get to see the games, three top hurling games and none on free to air, these people live and breath hurling. And in relation to the tickets today! Some of these people are vulnerable and while the risk is probably low in the stadium how are they supposed to get there ?? Cram in on the dart or something. Or maybe they should cycle the 120 miles ?? These people do not have sky as it is pricy for pensioners and they don't have an interest in soccor. So think before you get up on your high horse and start looking at the bigger picture !" My father is over 70, a farmer and prefers watching hurling on Sky Sports to RTE. I think you are doing down the elderly and rural and slightly patronising. It's not 1980. The vast majority have access to Sky if they want it and the elderly have more money than most of us. To say they wouldn't know how to get Sky is just silliness. And I agree with posters.. the only thing that let's down Sky is Nicky English and to be fair Anthony Nash was desperate aswell. He sounded like a fascinated kid, not an 'expert'. He didn't really give any insight whatsoever
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Does the TV licence money go to RTE to pay their massive salaries? They seem to be anti Irish which is ridiculous, they are a westbrit leaning agenda, rugby hockey cricket, they hate anything Irish it seems,
I think every GAA person should boycott RTE and stop paying the licence fee. They get that plus advertising revenue, I'd pay a licence fee for TG4 though.
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Replying To supersub15: "Being provocative, snobary, and unetical." Nothing provocative about having games on Sky?
What is unethical about having games on Sky?
And how is it snobbish to have games on Sky?
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Replying To supersub15: "Being provocative, snobary, and unetical." Nothing provocative about having games on Sky?
What is unethical about having games on Sky?
And how is it snobbish to have games on Sky?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 04/07/2021 11:03:15
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RTÉ preferred to show the Irish Open and the rugby international against Japan. They wouldn't have shown all three hurling matches anyway. Get yourself a day pass for NowTV for a tenner. You can watch the games instead of moaning
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5426 - 04/07/2021 09:16:21
No RTE didnt prefer to show anything. They showed what they were allowed to by what they were contracted to show
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 04/07/2021 11:06:39
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I know loads of the older hurling generation who could not see the match today as it was not televised on free to air. All these people are good hurling people who have done a lot over the years for the game. They could not attend today because of the limit on attendance and some are are cocooning. They love hurling and these matches are sold to sky which in my view is terrible especially as these older generations have gone through so much in this pandemic. The gaa is made up of nearly all volunteers and this is what they do to them !
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 111 - 03/07/2021 21:49:13
Do these people not have family they could watch games with? You are making many of the older generations(from what age are you calling these older generations anyway? ) to be very feeble and not capable of much thinking...
There was no shortage of tickets for Croke Park today. They were on general sale nearly all day yesterday.
There has been so much absolute rubbish talked in the last few days about how disgraceful it was that todays games weren't on RTE etc.
Firstly, let's address one myth:
Contrary to popular belief, watching RTE isn't free.
We just have to pay for it in a different way, through TV licences and general taxation to pay the grossly inflated salaries of irritating presenters.
At least a person has a choice whether they want to pay for Sky or not. When it comes to RTE we have no choice, it's forced upon us to pay for it.
Secondly, a person without sky sports could have bought a day pass on nowtv for a tenner and saw all 3 games on sky today. €3.33 per game. You'd pay more for a coffee.
There is an unbelievable sense of entitlement when it comes to paying for things GAA related.
The GAA has a great product that multinational sports companies want to broadcast around the world. Why shouldn't we be welcoming that with open arms instead of cribbing.
There has never been as many games available to watch on TV thanks to things like the Sky and Eir Sports deals.
And it's not like all of the Sky Sports money goes into the pocket of some multimillionaire investor, the money is used to develop the organisation right across Ireland in every town and village.
The shortsightedness of some people in their complaining is exasperating.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 259 - 03/07/2021 22:14:07
top class post. totally agree about most of that...
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 04/07/2021 11:09:31
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Onfor15 I think the point that is being made is the older members of the population just wouldn't know anything about getting sky or going about paying for these matches..I saw the Kerry game advertised earlier it's on sky to which means that both their games so far are on sky..with RTÉ the majority pay license fee and watch whatever is on..with sky its a basic package anything else is extra..I would not get it but I'm lucky a relation has it and I saw limerick game..I'd agree with earlier poster Nicky English is painful.." Anything English is painful in my experience.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 04/07/2021 11:13:15
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Replying To Greengrass: "RTÉ preferred to show the Irish Open and the rugby international against Japan. They wouldn't have shown all three hurling matches anyway. Get yourself a day pass for NowTV for a tenner. You can watch the games instead of moaning" Where did I say in my post that I did not get the day pass ?? You presumed wrong, I did get the pass but other people are not so lucky i.e have no proper internet coverage and dont know how to use the technology to set it up either. I explain it more in my reply to Onfor 15 at 25:52 yesterday.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2021 11:30:56
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Replying To ecad123: "I think it is you that are shortsighted. You are presuming that everyone in Ireland has access to reliable broadband and have the know how to set this up in the first place. Again the likes of yourself don't think nor care about the older generation in rural Ireland whos highlight of the week is watch the hurling at the weekend. In a pandemic the gaa should have managed to get these on free to air for this championship. I was talking to a few people earlier today and everyone of them did not get to see the games, three top hurling games and none on free to air, these people live and breath hurling. And in relation to the tickets today! Some of these people are vulnerable and while the risk is probably low in the stadium how are they supposed to get there ?? Cram in on the dart or something. Or maybe they should cycle the 120 miles ?? These people do not have sky as it is pricy for pensioners and they don't have an interest in soccor. So think before you get up on your high horse and start looking at the bigger picture !" Agree 100%. Why should people have to get Sky Sports which is 95% rubbish to watch a hurling match in this country?
All Ireland champions in both sports only accessible on pay per view and in front of 11,000 people all told, tells a lot about where the elite in this country wants our culture to be.
That the GAA "leadership" goes along with all of this may come back to haunt them when we are reduced to a minority interest, which is what lots of those calling the shots want.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2525 - 04/07/2021 11:39:14
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Replying To bloodyban: "My father is over 70, a farmer and prefers watching hurling on Sky Sports to RTE. I think you are doing down the elderly and rural and slightly patronising. It's not 1980. The vast majority have access to Sky if they want it and the elderly have more money than most of us. To say they wouldn't know how to get Sky is just silliness. And I agree with posters.. the only thing that let's down Sky is Nicky English and to be fair Anthony Nash was desperate aswell. He sounded like a fascinated kid, not an 'expert'. He didn't really give any insight whatsoever" Most elderly have only 230 per week and that's it! Don't think it's patronising over 70 euro a month for sky is not cheep, now fair play to your father but I doubt he just has sky for the hurling! Out my way the broadband is simply not good enough I got the pass yesterday and the quality was not good because my internet is terrible it's mobile broadband we can't get the line it does not come down our road. You could bearly watch it. During a pandemic I'm sure they could have sorted out something, put it on free to air. Age action Ireland are trying to get the older generation tech savvy ie stream and cast but people with no family have no one to help them. I never said that the older generation could not order sky, it was streaming working with new tech that some have problems with.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2021 12:16:48
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Replying To ecad123: "Where did I say in my post that I did not get the day pass ?? You presumed wrong, I did get the pass but other people are not so lucky i.e have no proper internet coverage and dont know how to use the technology to set it up either. I explain it more in my reply to Onfor 15 at 25:52 yesterday." Yes you explained it in a patronising way as if most elderly people have lost their faculties. Most people ,the vast majority have access to Sky and can get Sky Sports. Why should RTE have a monopoly.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 04/07/2021 12:27:02
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Replying To Greengrass: "RTÉ preferred to show the Irish Open and the rugby international against Japan. They wouldn't have shown all three hurling matches anyway. Get yourself a day pass for NowTV for a tenner. You can watch the games instead of moaning" Can I respectfully suggest Sir, that's rubbish, ecad123:has expressed his disaffection with RTE and their preference to televise all Zero of the hurling games he is absolutely correct, what was at stake in the rugby game, was it more of a priority, on a scale of 1 to 10 where would you site the rugby over and above 1, 2, or 3 of the hurling games, as we pay our TV license that gives us every right to complain, that includes ecad123. it's a far cry from moaning,
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 04/07/2021 12:45:04
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Replying To bloodyban: "Yes you explained it in a patronising way as if most elderly people have lost their faculties. Most people ,the vast majority have access to Sky and can get Sky Sports. Why should RTE have a monopoly." Don't know how you thought it was patronising I think you know you are wrong and are lashing out. Maybe you should have a look at the age action web site in relation to technology. Or are you going to call them patronising also, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't the case. Some facts for you to look over, but if you are able to see the games than who cares about any one else. https://www.ageaction.ie › filesPDF
SUPPORTING DIGITAL LITERACY AMONG OLDER ... - Age Action.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 04/07/2021 13:04:47
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I agree with comments regarding Sky pundits being very weak. To be a good pundit, the ideal is to have a mix of, insight, humour, controversy or passion... for a while people like Loughnane and Brolly had all 4 qualities (whether you agreed or liked them was another thing)...for people like Mullane, his passion definitely makes up for some of his other limitations... most of the Sky pundits (and more recent RTE pundits such as M Ó Donoghue,) lack all 4 qualities.
Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 04/07/2021 13:11:35
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nothing provocative about having games on Sky?
What is unethical about having games on Sky?
And how is it snobbish to have games on Sky?" If by now you don't know the answers to all 3 it's pointless of me explaining because it may not get past the mod.
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Replying To bloodyban: "My father is over 70, a farmer and prefers watching hurling on Sky Sports to RTE. I think you are doing down the elderly and rural and slightly patronising. It's not 1980. The vast majority have access to Sky if they want it and the elderly have more money than most of us. To say they wouldn't know how to get Sky is just silliness. And I agree with posters.. the only thing that let's down Sky is Nicky English and to be fair Anthony Nash was desperate aswell. He sounded like a fascinated kid, not an 'expert'. He didn't really give any insight whatsoever" Thought Noel Connors was excellent, he spoke sense.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 04/07/2021 13:26:26
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Replying To Onfor15: "There was no shortage of tickets for Croke Park today. They were on general sale nearly all day yesterday.
There has been so much absolute rubbish talked in the last few days about how disgraceful it was that todays games weren't on RTE etc.
Firstly, let's address one myth:
Contrary to popular belief, watching RTE isn't free.
We just have to pay for it in a different way, through TV licences and general taxation to pay the grossly inflated salaries of irritating presenters.
At least a person has a choice whether they want to pay for Sky or not. When it comes to RTE we have no choice, it's forced upon us to pay for it.
Secondly, a person without sky sports could have bought a day pass on nowtv for a tenner and saw all 3 games on sky today. €3.33 per game. You'd pay more for a coffee.
There is an unbelievable sense of entitlement when it comes to paying for things GAA related.
The GAA has a great product that multinational sports companies want to broadcast around the world. Why shouldn't we be welcoming that with open arms instead of cribbing.
There has never been as many games available to watch on TV thanks to things like the Sky and Eir Sports deals.
And it's not like all of the Sky Sports money goes into the pocket of some multimillionaire investor, the money is used to develop the organisation right across Ireland in every town and village.
The shortsightedness of some people in their complaining is exasperating." That's a great post lad
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 04/07/2021 13:44:20
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Replying To ecad123: "Where did I say in my post that I did not get the day pass ?? You presumed wrong, I did get the pass but other people are not so lucky i.e have no proper internet coverage and dont know how to use the technology to set it up either. I explain it more in my reply to Onfor 15 at 25:52 yesterday." Your point about poor broadband is well made. I think nowadays there are very few people who don't have family members that are not familiar with the technology to which you refer. RTÉ broadcast the golf and the rugby yesterday. There's no way they would have broadcast all three games yesterday. You'd have been lucky to see one of them on RTÉ. Would you rather games were broadcast on Sky or not broadcast at all?
RTÉ for years only broadcast live GAA of any description between May and September. There wasn't a second of live GAA on RTÉ between late September and mid May of the following year.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/07/2021 13:48:09
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The issue with the Sky deal at the time was that the GAA hierarchy continually denied they would do a deal with Sky.
In fact they said they would never do a deal with Sky.
This is what the GAA President at the time said:
"The GAA can never in conscience decide to sell television rights to any media provider who will not be widely available throughout the country and which will not be national in character. We are not going to sell our people down the river for money"
The rest is history.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/07/2021 13:48:36
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Replying To AfricanGael: "The issue with the Sky deal at the time was that the GAA hierarchy continually denied they would do a deal with Sky.
In fact they said they would never do a deal with Sky.
This is what the GAA President at the time said:
"The GAA can never in conscience decide to sell television rights to any media provider who will not be widely available throughout the country and which will not be national in character. We are not going to sell our people down the river for money"
The rest is history." Which President said that AfricanGael?
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/07/2021 13:57:11
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