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Replying To CARPS:  "What nonsense is this?

Most of the players involved also play football.

So if you push hurling back a week, you end up condensing their football schedule. So it ends up having the same effect,"
Neither are working Carps Just look at the evidence.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 12/08/2024 14:15:49    2564772

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Replying To Skippy2:  ""All worth it if mlr/mullins win the odd game in leinster "
Yes everything should be done to make sure those teams are prepared for a run at leinster.
Both those terms have being the flagship for Carlow gaa over the past 15 years.

Club hurling hasn't improved any with the split season, nothing has really changed.
Except K/C getting out a team.
And those player's would have been playing with B/K or Burren Rangers regardless.
It higher quality team's we need, lads will improve a lot more in that environment."
You want what's best for your club, which is fine, I'd expect that. But if your against the split season you clearly do not care about what's good hurling in the county. The major improvements have been felt at Junior and Intermediate, with the standard greatly improved.

The only point you came on was the KC starting back up (you conveniently ignored all the rest). Many of the KC lads stopped playing hurling for Ballinkillen prior to KC being reformed, partly because of the difficulties trying to hurl for Ballinkillen and play football with KC at the same time. If the lads 'would have been playing with B/K or Burren Rangers regardless' then why bother start KC up again?

Hurling at the moment is competing with nothing else at this time of the year, which is why numbers are up and more lads are able to commit. You go back to two weeks on/off, only 3 clubs won't be affected on the hurling end of things, everyone else will, especially CT, NB and BR.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 12/08/2024 15:27:17    2564784

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Replying To TaosHum:  "You want what's best for your club, which is fine, I'd expect that. But if your against the split season you clearly do not care about what's good hurling in the county. The major improvements have been felt at Junior and Intermediate, with the standard greatly improved.

The only point you came on was the KC starting back up (you conveniently ignored all the rest). Many of the KC lads stopped playing hurling for Ballinkillen prior to KC being reformed, partly because of the difficulties trying to hurl for Ballinkillen and play football with KC at the same time. If the lads 'would have been playing with B/K or Burren Rangers regardless' then why bother start KC up again?

Hurling at the moment is competing with nothing else at this time of the year, which is why numbers are up and more lads are able to commit. You go back to two weeks on/off, only 3 clubs won't be affected on the hurling end of things, everyone else will, especially CT, NB and BR."
Of course I want what's best to grow Carlow hurling standards.
Intermediate and junior levels haven't improved any in the last 5 years.
Results clearly show that.

The real proof is in the senior championship, less team's, with only 3 with any chance of winning it.

Burren Rangers were the real hope for Carlow (and maybe still will)
But their hand has been weakened a lot by KC reforming.
We really need to get 6-7 team's to a good senior level.
Splitting the pot won't achieve that.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 69 - 12/08/2024 17:41:43    2564820

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Always good debates here, the answer to all these issues is more dual clubs, all these stand alone football clubs need to be hurling, then you don't need split seasons, eire og and pal need to be hurling, I was looking through the Carlow town minor panel I think I counted 11 palatine players on it, so there is definitely a desire for hurling there, how many of those will carry it on to senior it's hard to say as they probably mainly view themselves as palatine, there is the potential for two strong dual clubs in town and palatine could be a very strong dual club, identity plays a big role in all of this and if you have two clubs one will always be your number 1 but in a dual club that doesn't happen, you may have a preference on sports but that's different, personally I don't like this split season, both codes get very little exposure as it's over so quick

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1661 - 13/08/2024 08:18:19    2564871

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Always good debates here, the answer to all these issues is more dual clubs, all these stand alone football clubs need to be hurling, then you don't need split seasons, eire og and pal need to be hurling, I was looking through the Carlow town minor panel I think I counted 11 palatine players on it, so there is definitely a desire for hurling there, how many of those will carry it on to senior it's hard to say as they probably mainly view themselves as palatine, there is the potential for two strong dual clubs in town and palatine could be a very strong dual club, identity plays a big role in all of this and if you have two clubs one will always be your number 1 but in a dual club that doesn't happen, you may have a preference on sports but that's different, personally I don't like this split season, both codes get very little exposure as it's over so quick"
Good call, barrow. The split season is a bit like brexit for the UK. Anyone who claims that squeezing your whole year into 5 weeks is just deluded. It's self sabotage, pure and simple. Be great if your suggestion about dual clubs came about but one town club has, while ostensibly supporting hurling ( for PR purposes), firmly refused to engage on the issue.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 13/08/2024 09:16:57    2564882

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Neither are working Carps Just look at the evidence."
what evidence?

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 727 - 13/08/2024 09:44:33    2564886

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Good call, barrow. The split season is a bit like brexit for the UK. Anyone who claims that squeezing your whole year into 5 weeks is just deluded. It's self sabotage, pure and simple. Be great if your suggestion about dual clubs came about but one town club has, while ostensibly supporting hurling ( for PR purposes), firmly refused to engage on the issue."
In 2019, and the previous years prior to it, we had 4 clubs competing in the SHC. Carlow Town and Naomh Brid were also in rapid decline.

Apart from wishful ideas about football clubs playing hurling (which I agree with but will never happen), what is going to prevent Carlow hurling declining back to where it was in 2019?

The delusion is thinking you can switch back without it having negative affects on most clubs and a decline in playing numbers.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 13/08/2024 11:09:09    2564921

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Good call, barrow. The split season is a bit like brexit for the UK. Anyone who claims that squeezing your whole year into 5 weeks is just deluded. It's self sabotage, pure and simple. Be great if your suggestion about dual clubs came about but one town club has, while ostensibly supporting hurling ( for PR purposes), firmly refused to engage on the issue."
Yes I was down in wexford last week, they have gone back to 2 week rotation and seem much happier with it. But again they are mainly dual clubs, when championships have some time it always feels more like a season, this is over in a flash and then the winners have to wait months to play leinster, meanwhile the football teams have been waiting 3 months with no competitive game. I don't think either code benefits

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1661 - 13/08/2024 13:44:24    2564954

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I am for the split season. I am against a return to a 2 week on and 2 week off.
Of course the olaying season has been squeezed and its git a lot.to with Keinater club championships being played at all grades.
That has narrowed the playing window.
If we return to a 2 week on and 2 week off scenario - then players that play both oarticularly in Carlow town environs will be forced to pick 1 code.
That has been the way for years and guess what - which sport will suffer - yep you guessed it.
Hurling as it is is struggling in Carlow town. With the split season players can for the first time in ages play both sports in the current system but returning to a Wexfird system of 2 weeks on will play havoc with hurling.
Hurling has played second fiddle to football in Carlow town always.
As for the replay- what other choice does the co board actually have except play it this Sunday or Saturday coming.
After all - the footballl clubs have their schedule as well !!!!!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1849 - 13/08/2024 14:42:32    2564972

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Regardless of whether we keep the split or go back to a rotation, this years football finals are on the weekend of 5/6 October but the very first team out in Leinster isn't until 2/3 November with the senior football champions playing on 9/10 November and senior hurling champions on 16/17 November.

I have huge admiration for our volunteers who give up their time to facilitate gaelic games in the county but why is there such a huge gap between county final and Leinster campaign for the footballers? There is at least 2 weeks extra which could be added to the calendar, potentially a week break after the group stage in both the hurling and football championships.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1835 - 13/08/2024 16:01:11    2564989

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Replying To carlowman:  "I am for the split season. I am against a return to a 2 week on and 2 week off.
Of course the olaying season has been squeezed and its git a lot.to with Keinater club championships being played at all grades.
That has narrowed the playing window.
If we return to a 2 week on and 2 week off scenario - then players that play both oarticularly in Carlow town environs will be forced to pick 1 code.
That has been the way for years and guess what - which sport will suffer - yep you guessed it.
Hurling as it is is struggling in Carlow town. With the split season players can for the first time in ages play both sports in the current system but returning to a Wexfird system of 2 weeks on will play havoc with hurling.
Hurling has played second fiddle to football in Carlow town always.
As for the replay- what other choice does the co board actually have except play it this Sunday or Saturday coming.
After all - the footballl clubs have their schedule as well !!!!!"
Why does it have to so rushed, even allowing for split season?

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 15/08/2024 11:25:02    2565218

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Replying To hurlingguru:  "Regardless of whether we keep the split or go back to a rotation, this years football finals are on the weekend of 5/6 October but the very first team out in Leinster isn't until 2/3 November with the senior football champions playing on 9/10 November and senior hurling champions on 16/17 November.

I have huge admiration for our volunteers who give up their time to facilitate gaelic games in the county but why is there such a huge gap between county final and Leinster campaign for the footballers? There is at least 2 weeks extra which could be added to the calendar, potentially a week break after the group stage in both the hurling and football championships."
Have been following this debate with interest because of how it's so similar to the situation we had here in Wexford as regards split season v alternate weeks/blocks of hurling and football.

I won't get into all that, but some of what you say there is news to me - how your football finals are scheduled for the first weekend of October, despite no Carlow team being due out in Leinster competition until four weeks after that.

That seems crazy to me, and first thing I'd say is that an extra week could have been given between the end of your hurling championships and the start of your football, to allow for the possibility of a replay in hurling.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 15/08/2024 12:27:53    2565235

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have been following this debate with interest because of how it's so similar to the situation we had here in Wexford as regards split season v alternate weeks/blocks of hurling and football.

I won't get into all that, but some of what you say there is news to me - how your football finals are scheduled for the first weekend of October, despite no Carlow team being due out in Leinster competition until four weeks after that.

That seems crazy to me, and first thing I'd say is that an extra week could have been given between the end of your hurling championships and the start of your football, to allow for the possibility of a replay in hurling."
Exactly, absolutely madness.
hurlingguru spelt it out on a post above with the dates.
No reguard for hurling players in this county.
Just get it out of the way and let the footballers play.
You have your 5-6 weeks and that's it.
Club standards have dropped, maybe a few more playing but not to any standard. How can anyone improve in such in small window.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 69 - 15/08/2024 17:27:54    2565309

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Replying To Skippy2:  "Exactly, absolutely madness.
hurlingguru spelt it out on a post above with the dates.
No reguard for hurling players in this county.
Just get it out of the way and let the footballers play.
You have your 5-6 weeks and that's it.
Club standards have dropped, maybe a few more playing but not to any standard. How can anyone improve in such in small window."
You have a point and many will agree with you but... was Extra Time played last Sunday .. No. Unlike the All Ireland final where again both teams played their hearts out -.so I would say that if the co board had little regard for hurling then the ET would have been sanctioned.
Secondly- as you know the football clubs are not happy at all overall as they see hurling having primacy within the county and i base that on the fact that hurling under the current system has the best weather to play in unlike the footballers who have to wait till the hurling is completed !
So I think its very easy for the hurlers to go into a shell and stay that the board does not care about hurling and likewise for the footballers to think the same.
Both codes need to have a little more empathy and understanding and see the constraints that pertain to fixtures.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1849 - 15/08/2024 19:20:34    2565326

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Replying To carlowman:  "You have a point and many will agree with you but... was Extra Time played last Sunday .. No. Unlike the All Ireland final where again both teams played their hearts out -.so I would say that if the co board had little regard for hurling then the ET would have been sanctioned.
Secondly- as you know the football clubs are not happy at all overall as they see hurling having primacy within the county and i base that on the fact that hurling under the current system has the best weather to play in unlike the footballers who have to wait till the hurling is completed !
So I think its very easy for the hurlers to go into a shell and stay that the board does not care about hurling and likewise for the footballers to think the same.
Both codes need to have a little more empathy and understanding and see the constraints that pertain to fixtures."
Extra time don't think so, and lose out on the Extra entry fees.
That decision had nothing to do with player welfare.
You only have to look at county underage setups, completely unbalanced resources on the side of football.
I am not trying to be anti football, just saying it as I see it.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 69 - 15/08/2024 21:51:42    2565345

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Replying To Skippy2:  "Extra time don't think so, and lose out on the Extra entry fees.
That decision had nothing to do with player welfare.
You only have to look at county underage setups, completely unbalanced resources on the side of football.
I am not trying to be anti football, just saying it as I see it."
To be fair I don't think underage football has an advantage neither are well funded, I think underage hurling at county has an issue with coaches getting involved though but that's not really a funding issue that goes back to clubs.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1661 - 15/08/2024 23:07:34    2565357

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Replying To carlowman:  "You have a point and many will agree with you but... was Extra Time played last Sunday .. No. Unlike the All Ireland final where again both teams played their hearts out -.so I would say that if the co board had little regard for hurling then the ET would have been sanctioned.
Secondly- as you know the football clubs are not happy at all overall as they see hurling having primacy within the county and i base that on the fact that hurling under the current system has the best weather to play in unlike the footballers who have to wait till the hurling is completed !
So I think its very easy for the hurlers to go into a shell and stay that the board does not care about hurling and likewise for the footballers to think the same.
Both codes need to have a little more empathy and understanding and see the constraints that pertain to fixtures."
It's hardly difficult to understand why hurling has primacy?

The hurlers are in Division Two (it's called one, but it's really two).. The footballers are in Division Four.

The hurlers held Kilkenny to a draw this year. The footballers were slaughtered by Wexford.

Yes, we have more football teams than hurling teams in the county. But that's more down to the fact that football is much easier to play.

Carlow is a hurling county. Wake up, lads.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 727 - 16/08/2024 00:27:25    2565366

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Replying To Skippy2:  "Exactly, absolutely madness.
hurlingguru spelt it out on a post above with the dates.
No reguard for hurling players in this county.
Just get it out of the way and let the footballers play.
You have your 5-6 weeks and that's it.
Club standards have dropped, maybe a few more playing but not to any standard. How can anyone improve in such in small window."
I'm fairly sure that the hurling clubs were the majority of the ones to vote for the split season, and that they play the hurling first? Also, the football is ran out in 6 weeks too so no difference between the timeframe given for the championship, only for the football tends to get the worse weather for their championship. Although the winners of the hurling have a long time to wait before they play their first round of Leinster which is not ideal either.

Ceatharlach15 (Carlow) - Posts: 8 - 16/08/2024 20:01:44    2565499

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St Mullins made no mistake today against Rangers who were slow to get out of the traps.
The match was nearly over after 20 minutes with the Rangers down to 14 men and tye Saints scoring almost at will in the first half.
The Saints were very fresh and direct and took on the Rangers rearguard with speed and Rangers had no real answer as ST Mullins used their extra man wisely.
It got very hot a few times on the sideline as Rangers became frustrated with their display.
St Mullins really did win this championship the hard way with 2 replays.
James Doyle was man of the match..another fine display from this very skilled player.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1849 - 18/08/2024 23:27:09    2565737

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Another enjoyable county final for the neutral. St Mullins got stuck in from the get go and mlr just took too long to settle. I didn't see the sending off incident but an umpire seemed to instruct the referee about it. To their credit mlr made a good fightback in the second half but hit too many wides. Was a very good championship for only 5 senior clubs

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 91 - 20/08/2024 16:08:43    2566029

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