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I think with the amount of teams we have the current format is not the worst. The issue at the moment is the current big four (Trim, Kiltale, Kildalkey, Ratoath) have pushed on a bit since covid, and a few of the stronger teams have dipped off like longwood, kilyon, Dunboyne in the last year or so. Na fianna to their credit have closed the gap on the others and on their day can give any of the top boys a serious run.
What would be the benefit of a restructure? unless they introduce two completely separate (A&B championships). The gap at present(and over the past decade between the top senior team and lowest is drastic and it just comes down to how clubs are running their underage setups.
The only alteration id make at the minute perhaps would be the bottom 2 of Senior B should playoff against the beaten inter finalists and inter 3rd(based on points) teams from the Inter grade to ensure the strongest are senior.
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I see Kildalkey have a Double Header at home on Sunday.
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Replying To Stiofan: "I see Kildalkey have a Double Header at home on Sunday." Are you surprised ? Never see them play outside of Pairc tailteann !!
Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 07/09/2022 09:16:26
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Replying To Joe_soap1: "Are you surprised ? Never see them play outside of Pairc tailteann !!" @joe_soap1 I don't know how they do it. They must have some pull in the CB. Some say its their massive support that they bring to Páirc Tailteann and ticket sales.
Stiofan (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 07/09/2022 19:52:39
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This weekend quickly approaching, could be the last time out for some teams this year.
Intermediate :
Dunderry v Gaeil colmcille
Verdict - dunderry by 4
Kildalkey 2nds v kilskyre/moylagh
Kildalkey will have to keep the 2 shines quiet or game will be over at half time. If they do the game could be close , Still fancy kilskyre to pull through.
Verdict - kilskyre/moylagh by 7
Senior:
Ratoath v killyon
Im still waiting for ratoath to just click and put in a performance and I think this weekend is when it will happen . Killyon lucky to get through but still a team that could cause an upset , if Mullen Gannon and smullen can run at what is a Dodgey full back line for ratoath I think there will be plenty of goal opportunities. Will be a good one.
Verdict - ratoath by 2
Kildalkey v Kilmessan
Game of the weekend in my opinion, kildalkey have everything on the line while Kilmessan come in as underdogs and nothing to lose , which will probably suit Kilmessan. Kilmessan also another team lucky to get out of group B but as I said about killyon these could cause a major upset come the weekend. Kildalkey are still relying on the like of geoghan and potterton to push them over the line , while Kilmessan in there last few games have had plenty of scorers from all over the field. If Kilmessan can keep goals out and limit fouls , they will come close. Kildalkey have played in navan numerous times this year so should be well able to use the big pitch to there advantage.
Verdict - Kildalkey by 3
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Replying To Joe_soap1: "This weekend quickly approaching, could be the last time out for some teams this year.
Intermediate :
Dunderry v Gaeil colmcille
Verdict - dunderry by 4
Kildalkey 2nds v kilskyre/moylagh
Kildalkey will have to keep the 2 shines quiet or game will be over at half time. If they do the game could be close , Still fancy kilskyre to pull through.
Verdict - kilskyre/moylagh by 7
Senior:
Ratoath v killyon
Im still waiting for ratoath to just click and put in a performance and I think this weekend is when it will happen . Killyon lucky to get through but still a team that could cause an upset , if Mullen Gannon and smullen can run at what is a Dodgey full back line for ratoath I think there will be plenty of goal opportunities. Will be a good one.
Verdict - ratoath by 2
Kildalkey v Kilmessan
Game of the weekend in my opinion, kildalkey have everything on the line while Kilmessan come in as underdogs and nothing to lose , which will probably suit Kilmessan. Kilmessan also another team lucky to get out of group B but as I said about killyon these could cause a major upset come the weekend. Kildalkey are still relying on the like of geoghan and potterton to push them over the line , while Kilmessan in there last few games have had plenty of scorers from all over the field. If Kilmessan can keep goals out and limit fouls , they will come close. Kildalkey have played in navan numerous times this year so should be well able to use the big pitch to there advantage.
Verdict - Kildalkey by 3" Ratoath v Killyon: Agree with that, Ratoath havent clicked yet, and will need to. Its one of those tricky games but if it all falls into place for Ratoath, they should really be running away with this. Ratoath by 8 Kiltale await the winner here, they wouldn't like to be playing a firing Ratoath but they are still my pick to win it.
Kildalkey v Kilmessan: Kildalkey will want to prove a point here that they are right up there with Trim and Kiltale and I fancy them to just about overcome a Kilmessan that will come out fighting. KIldakey by 4. Trim await the winners
countyman123 (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 08/09/2022 12:35:03
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Kildalkey played in Rathmolyon and Longwood in the group stages, didnt they? A bit odd they always bring Trim v Kildalkey to Navan id imagine Boardsmill or Athboy is the perfect neutral venue and better atmosphere too for that game. Fair enough Ratoath and Kiltale games its near enough half way for both.
Cant understand why the intermediate quater finals are not double headers and leave senior quater finals together as double headers. Should be Kells v Dunderry and Kildalkey v Kilskyre as a double header Saturday in Athboy which have a brilliant new pitch and getting very few games, those two games couldnt be any more geographically neutral to all those 4 teams. Must be close to maximum 7 miles down to 3 miles for all thise clubs. Instead they drag people from Dromone they whole way to Navan for the game.
I think Killyon could pull a surprise off vs Ratoath . Kildalkey should do enough v Kilmessan but if Kilmessan come with a plan and belief they could be closer than people think. If Kildalkey play like they did v Na Fianna or Dunboyne could be a major shock.
Still cant see past a Kiltale v Trim final, with Trim to win.
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 08/09/2022 13:36:53
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I think Killyon Ratoath will be close for long parts but fitness will tell it's tale and Ratoath will pull away last 15 mins, Ratoath by 7
Kildalkey will walk all over a very average kilmessan team who are still reliant on the veterans. They have already overachieved this year. Kildalkey by 8+
Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 171 - 08/09/2022 13:37:01
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Replying To Joe_soap1: "This weekend quickly approaching, could be the last time out for some teams this year.
Intermediate :
Dunderry v Gaeil colmcille
Verdict - dunderry by 4
Kildalkey 2nds v kilskyre/moylagh
Kildalkey will have to keep the 2 shines quiet or game will be over at half time. If they do the game could be close , Still fancy kilskyre to pull through.
Verdict - kilskyre/moylagh by 7
Senior:
Ratoath v killyon
Im still waiting for ratoath to just click and put in a performance and I think this weekend is when it will happen . Killyon lucky to get through but still a team that could cause an upset , if Mullen Gannon and smullen can run at what is a Dodgey full back line for ratoath I think there will be plenty of goal opportunities. Will be a good one.
Verdict - ratoath by 2
Kildalkey v Kilmessan
Game of the weekend in my opinion, kildalkey have everything on the line while Kilmessan come in as underdogs and nothing to lose , which will probably suit Kilmessan. Kilmessan also another team lucky to get out of group B but as I said about killyon these could cause a major upset come the weekend. Kildalkey are still relying on the like of geoghan and potterton to push them over the line , while Kilmessan in there last few games have had plenty of scorers from all over the field. If Kilmessan can keep goals out and limit fouls , they will come close. Kildalkey have played in navan numerous times this year so should be well able to use the big pitch to there advantage.
Verdict - Kildalkey by 3" Like your optimism in the senior but its going to be two hammerings this weekend. Kilmessan wont keep it pucked out to kildalkey and Ratoath will hammer kilyon. Gap in the standards will show this week.
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Think both quarter finals will be very close.
Ratoath and kildalkey will be favourites but Killyon and Kilmessan will quietly fancy their chances.
Ratoath and Kildalkey have been a pale shadow of themselves this year.
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Killyon not at the races at all , ratoath deserved win but still didn't play that well .
On another note I thought refereeing was terrible , handy frees , then ratoath man shouldered killyon man in the head , yellow car some how. Just no flow to the game at all. I'm sick of talking about them but bringing in a ref from outside the county is just outrageous. Something needs to be done for next year because it's too late for this year !
Joe_soap1 (Meath) - Posts: 84 - 10/09/2022 19:51:19
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Replying To Joe_soap1: "Killyon not at the races at all , ratoath deserved win but still didn't play that well .
On another note I thought refereeing was terrible , handy frees , then ratoath man shouldered killyon man in the head , yellow car some how. Just no flow to the game at all. I'm sick of talking about them but bringing in a ref from outside the county is just outrageous. Something needs to be done for next year because it's too late for this year !" Wasn't at either game this weekend but heard the reffing was shockingly bad, especially on Sunday. Late replacement too I was told. How many of the current refs have actually played the game ? That's a big part of it too I believe.
Woodbutcher (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 12/09/2022 14:06:46
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Was at the 2 double headers the weekend,
Kells & Dunderry could have went either way, fair play to Dunderry who got the goals to see them home. Dunderry now play Drumree who will probably be favorite's.
Ratoath didn't exactly excel and disposed of a very poor Killyon outfit easily, wasn't surprised to see Ratoath win but was surprised in the way Killyon rolled over. I am sure Kiltale will not take Ratoath lightly but I do expect Kiltale to win.
Kildalkey' s second team were good value for their win even if assisted by a dubious penalty. They now meet Rathmolyon in the semi, last time out Rathmolyon had an extra man for 40 odd minutes and won by 5 i think, interesting game here next day. Not a good sign when you see a second team in a semi, is the quality that poor or is the second team that good? Rathmolyon by slender margin.
Kilmessan started like a train where Kildalkey started the polar opposite. At 1.03 to zero Kilmessan missed a free or 2 to put a lot of doubt in the holders head, Kildalkey eventually got into the game and once level never looked like loosing, however don't think they will trouble Trim.
4 referees on show over weekend of which 1 played the game, what is going on in Meath, no consistency, no clear understanding of the rules from what i saw except for the one who played the game, no official lines people for some parts, the senior ref on Sunday was a late change I believe and fair play to him for doing so, i feel he was out of his depth big time, but in fairness he didn't favor either side, he got a lot of abuse after the game I assume as he issued a few red cards. I don't condone this but I can understand players frustrations when the standard is well below what it can be.
What are the referees committee at or is there one ?
Who is responsible for appointing these, is it the CCC ?
Lets hope the semi finals get a little more respect.
Be interested to see will the football qtrs. get the same level of respect next weekend, will there be lines people and good quality refs in all venues, i would assume yes.
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Replying To pixey: "Was at the 2 double headers the weekend,
Kells & Dunderry could have went either way, fair play to Dunderry who got the goals to see them home. Dunderry now play Drumree who will probably be favorite's.
Ratoath didn't exactly excel and disposed of a very poor Killyon outfit easily, wasn't surprised to see Ratoath win but was surprised in the way Killyon rolled over. I am sure Kiltale will not take Ratoath lightly but I do expect Kiltale to win.
Kildalkey' s second team were good value for their win even if assisted by a dubious penalty. They now meet Rathmolyon in the semi, last time out Rathmolyon had an extra man for 40 odd minutes and won by 5 i think, interesting game here next day. Not a good sign when you see a second team in a semi, is the quality that poor or is the second team that good? Rathmolyon by slender margin.
Kilmessan started like a train where Kildalkey started the polar opposite. At 1.03 to zero Kilmessan missed a free or 2 to put a lot of doubt in the holders head, Kildalkey eventually got into the game and once level never looked like loosing, however don't think they will trouble Trim.
4 referees on show over weekend of which 1 played the game, what is going on in Meath, no consistency, no clear understanding of the rules from what i saw except for the one who played the game, no official lines people for some parts, the senior ref on Sunday was a late change I believe and fair play to him for doing so, i feel he was out of his depth big time, but in fairness he didn't favor either side, he got a lot of abuse after the game I assume as he issued a few red cards. I don't condone this but I can understand players frustrations when the standard is well below what it can be.
What are the referees committee at or is there one ?
Who is responsible for appointing these, is it the CCC ?
Lets hope the semi finals get a little more respect.
Be interested to see will the football qtrs. get the same level of respect next weekend, will there be lines people and good quality refs in all venues, i would assume yes." As far as I know there a referee's committee that appoints the refs.
royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 12/09/2022 21:20:45
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The next round is the senior / inter and junior 2 semi finals along with junior final.
14 teams out that weeknd so a chance to put on a good setup for what should be decent crowds.
Scrap ticket only option - fine during covid , but your lose customers now as older people cant access tickets.
Put a small booklet together that covers the 7 games - the online digital version was fine during covid but is fairly poor if thats only what will be on offer in two weeks. Im sure people wont mind a extra 1 or 2 euros.
Make sure refs have minimum of umpires with them , its looks terrible scrambling for umpires and linesmen a few mins before throw in and is asking for problems.
hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 425 - 13/09/2022 10:43:02
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In fainess the standard of refereeing has been a mixed bag all year. In fainess the abuse they get from all angles, why would anyone even contemplate becoming a referee. Iagree with posters above that especially for hurling you need to have played the game or at least been involved in it your whole life. The shoe-horning of football refs into hurling games has caused a serious stop start flow to games almost turning them into "glorified free taking competitions".
Could a solution be to have a list of 20-30 refs across Meath, Kildare, Westmeath who only do hurling and allow them have a cross county platform to reduce familiarilty of knowing the players etc. (obviously there would be issues regarding finances around this and referee coordinators. (We have a Kildare man and have had a Louth man refereeing in meath so what difference would this make)
bountyboy22 (USA) - Posts: 38 - 13/09/2022 10:51:45
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Replying To pixey: "Was at the 2 double headers the weekend,
Kells & Dunderry could have went either way, fair play to Dunderry who got the goals to see them home. Dunderry now play Drumree who will probably be favorite's.
Ratoath didn't exactly excel and disposed of a very poor Killyon outfit easily, wasn't surprised to see Ratoath win but was surprised in the way Killyon rolled over. I am sure Kiltale will not take Ratoath lightly but I do expect Kiltale to win.
Kildalkey' s second team were good value for their win even if assisted by a dubious penalty. They now meet Rathmolyon in the semi, last time out Rathmolyon had an extra man for 40 odd minutes and won by 5 i think, interesting game here next day. Not a good sign when you see a second team in a semi, is the quality that poor or is the second team that good? Rathmolyon by slender margin.
Kilmessan started like a train where Kildalkey started the polar opposite. At 1.03 to zero Kilmessan missed a free or 2 to put a lot of doubt in the holders head, Kildalkey eventually got into the game and once level never looked like loosing, however don't think they will trouble Trim.
4 referees on show over weekend of which 1 played the game, what is going on in Meath, no consistency, no clear understanding of the rules from what i saw except for the one who played the game, no official lines people for some parts, the senior ref on Sunday was a late change I believe and fair play to him for doing so, i feel he was out of his depth big time, but in fairness he didn't favor either side, he got a lot of abuse after the game I assume as he issued a few red cards. I don't condone this but I can understand players frustrations when the standard is well below what it can be.
What are the referees committee at or is there one ?
Who is responsible for appointing these, is it the CCC ?
Lets hope the semi finals get a little more respect.
Be interested to see will the football qtrs. get the same level of respect next weekend, will there be lines people and good quality refs in all venues, i would assume yes." It's a disgrace the whole lot of it , refereeing for both senior quarter finals was horrific , and yes it was a late change for kildalkey game but for what reason ? I know Martin Dawson was standby referee and even he wasn't informed of a change. I also know that kildalkey have trouble with the original referee that was assigned for the Kilmessan game and the Kilmessan team were expecting a change !!
On Saturday we had a referee from outside the county come in and do a senior quarter final and also do an horrific job absolutely zero flow to the game whatsoever . I know we have better refs inside the county so surely we could even save money by assigning refs from inside our own county and maybe improve them by giving them these high profile games ?
Lastly I know there is a referee coordinator for the county board that would contact these referees but I'm not 100% if there is a committee. With football this weekend there'll probably be standby linesmen Nevermind standby refs !
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On Saturday we had a referee from outside the county come in and do a senior quarter final and also do an horrific job absolutely zero flow to the game whatsoever . I know we have better refs inside the county so surely we could even save money by assigning refs from inside our own county and maybe improve them by giving them these high profile games ?
Lastly I know there is a referee coordinator for the county board that would contact these referees but I'm not 100% if there is a committee. With football this weekend there'll probably be standby linesmen Nevermind standby refs !" We all know referee's do a thankless job and some are just not up to the standard. But at the very least the CCC should support the referees and have proper linesmen and umpires assigned to these games. Also it must be noted the abuse the referee received on Sunday especially from Kilmessan players, total disregard for a man trying to referee the game as best he could, I hope the CCC come down hard on them with suspensions. Regardless of his performance he had no bearing on the result, Kilmessan were never going to beat Kildalkey as kildalkey never got out of second gear and were just doing enough.
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Replying To Redsalltheway: "We all know referee's do a thankless job and some are just not up to the standard. But at the very least the CCC should support the referees and have proper linesmen and umpires assigned to these games. Also it must be noted the abuse the referee received on Sunday especially from Kilmessan players, total disregard for a man trying to referee the game as best he could, I hope the CCC come down hard on them with suspensions. Regardless of his performance he had no bearing on the result, Kilmessan were never going to beat Kildalkey as kildalkey never got out of second gear and were just doing enough." CCC never appoint umpires thats up to the referee, Most lads would bring a minimum of two I would presume and if they are short the hosting club might help out. The let the "game flow" is a laughable statement. The players dictate that by how they follow the rules not the ref he just enforces them
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who will win the semi finals?
On form it looks Drumree v Rathmolyon but Kildalkey could pull off a shock. Agree it looks terrible when 2nd strings get into semi finals. Intermediate hurling must be bad, those clubs need to sort themselves out big time.
Rathmolyon would get a great boost to be back senior and meath hurling needs them back badly.
Kiltale and Trim i think for the final. Trim have a had a good rest the last fortnight. Kiltale will shade it v rataoath. Kildalkey need to play the game of their season and probably as good as they have ever played to pull off a win, cant see it really.
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 13/09/2022 21:22:57
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