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Dublin under Farrell are not the team that they were and won't win this year's championship.
Any combination of our panel would beat Wicklow or Wexford easily and shouldn't be considered a benchmark. We are the currently the second best team in Leinster but are we any better than previous years going back to the previous management?
Our goalkeeper/ kickout problem remains and if anything is worse
Our backs are better and Keoghan would make any team
We still have only one midfielder but he's excellent
Our forwards have got worse as we never found a go to forward to replace Sheridan or Biggy or developed an inside forward like McManus or Rock To pull in big scores
Dublin still look like beating us though which is a pity as after watching their last two games they are there to be taken this year with no discipline etc they are going backwards.
If the current regime is to remain Dublin have to be beaten by us this year and that should be our benchmark and no more excuses

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 28/10/2020 09:36:35    2302338

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Replying To ABK67:  "Dublin under Farrell are not the team that they were and won't win this year's championship.
Any combination of our panel would beat Wicklow or Wexford easily and shouldn't be considered a benchmark. We are the currently the second best team in Leinster but are we any better than previous years going back to the previous management?
Our goalkeeper/ kickout problem remains and if anything is worse
Our backs are better and Keoghan would make any team
We still have only one midfielder but he's excellent
Our forwards have got worse as we never found a go to forward to replace Sheridan or Biggy or developed an inside forward like McManus or Rock To pull in big scores
Dublin still look like beating us though which is a pity as after watching their last two games they are there to be taken this year with no discipline etc they are going backwards.
If the current regime is to remain Dublin have to be beaten by us this year and that should be our benchmark and no more excuses"
Only 1 midfielder? So which of Jones and Menton isn't good enough? That's a strange statement to make. Menton although starting out as a defender had to developed into a fine midfielder and Jones has the potential to be one of the top midfielders in the country and both did really well in the last two league games.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 28/10/2020 09:47:34    2302343

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Replying To ABK67:  "Dublin under Farrell are not the team that they were and won't win this year's championship.
Any combination of our panel would beat Wicklow or Wexford easily and shouldn't be considered a benchmark. We are the currently the second best team in Leinster but are we any better than previous years going back to the previous management?
Our goalkeeper/ kickout problem remains and if anything is worse
Our backs are better and Keoghan would make any team
We still have only one midfielder but he's excellent
Our forwards have got worse as we never found a go to forward to replace Sheridan or Biggy or developed an inside forward like McManus or Rock To pull in big scores
Dublin still look like beating us though which is a pity as after watching their last two games they are there to be taken this year with no discipline etc they are going backwards.
If the current regime is to remain Dublin have to be beaten by us this year and that should be our benchmark and no more excuses"
The current regime should be replace by who do you think? Honestly the BS that is talked on the Meath forum is truly something else. The benchmark should be Dublin the 5 in a row all Ireland champions laughable stuff. This doesn't happen overnight

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 28/10/2020 10:21:31    2302358

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Leitrim : people are entitled to an opinion without being run down (you've done it a few times in this thread alone) , no matter how wacky their post might be. Argue the points with them but telling someone their opinion is BS is not on.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 28/10/2020 10:32:36    2302363

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "The current regime should be replace by who do you think? Honestly the BS that is talked on the Meath forum is truly something else. The benchmark should be Dublin the 5 in a row all Ireland champions laughable stuff. This doesn't happen overnight"
The idea that we don't set a benchmark beyond what was achieved the previous year ie beaten Leinster finalists is probably why we continue to stagnate
What should it be? A good showing, a valiant defeat , one player or other has a good day but rarely two days in a row? Keoghan and Menton excepted
We used to be hard to beat no matter what
Páidí O Se famously referred to the Kerry Football public as
Animals because they never accepted second best and because of that a Munster or AI title was never far away
Maybe we should be a bit more like that
But I suppose as long as there are those that pre excuse every defeat and cheerlead every minor step forward and dismiss any criticism as BS maybe we are where we deserve to be

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 28/10/2020 11:01:23    2302385

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Only 1 midfielder? So which of Jones and Menton isn't good enough? That's a strange statement to make. Menton although starting out as a defender had to developed into a fine midfielder and Jones has the potential to be one of the top midfielders in the country and both did really well in the last two league games."
Menton is outstanding
Jones hopefully is the answer but he is only in that position for the last two league games
Prior to this there had been a number of partners that did not work out
My point is that the absence of a consistent midfield pairing has contributed to our kickout problems which undermine a strong and improving defence
If Jones is it and nothing suggests that he won't then so much the better but two games less than a month out from championship doesn't give you much of a track record

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 28/10/2020 11:13:12    2302392

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "The current regime should be replace by who do you think? Honestly the BS that is talked on the Meath forum is truly something else. The benchmark should be Dublin the 5 in a row all Ireland champions laughable stuff. This doesn't happen overnight"
Yeah found that funny too. The benchmark should be the beating the greatest team to ever play while they still at the top for a team ranked 7/8 positions lower than them. Honestly if it wasn't so pathetic it'd be funny.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2020 11:16:35    2302395

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Replying To ABK67:  "The idea that we don't set a benchmark beyond what was achieved the previous year ie beaten Leinster finalists is probably why we continue to stagnate
What should it be? A good showing, a valiant defeat , one player or other has a good day but rarely two days in a row? Keoghan and Menton excepted
We used to be hard to beat no matter what
Páidí O Se famously referred to the Kerry Football public as
Animals because they never accepted second best and because of that a Munster or AI title was never far away
Maybe we should be a bit more like that
But I suppose as long as there are those that pre excuse every defeat and cheerlead every minor step forward and dismiss any criticism as BS maybe we are where we deserve to be"
Ok so even I the most optimistic Meath supporter you could meet except that more than likely we won't beat Dublin this year, we are not at that level yet, the gap has closed and will get closer, but we not there yet. Are you really suggesting we turf out the management team that has brought us to this level of improvement for who ? And what ? And if they don't beat Dublin next year turf them out too??
See how silly that sounds. We have eventually gotten over the disaster of the banty mod era. We hold firm and continue to build progress. And we will beat dubs in near future

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2020 11:22:04    2302397

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Replying To ABK67:  "Menton is outstanding
Jones hopefully is the answer but he is only in that position for the last two league games
Prior to this there had been a number of partners that did not work out
My point is that the absence of a consistent midfield pairing has contributed to our kickout problems which undermine a strong and improving defence
If Jones is it and nothing suggests that he won't then so much the better but two games less than a month out from championship doesn't give you much of a track record"
Ok fair enough but with Jones its not really as black and white as he's only played 2 league games. He has a good few championship games under his belt from previous years and if he hadn't of been living in America for the last 2 years I think everyone would agree he would already be one of our established players so I would be very confident of him cutting it at Senior Championship level and hitting the ground running.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1012 - 28/10/2020 11:43:21    2302406

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ok so even I the most optimistic Meath supporter you could meet except that more than likely we won't beat Dublin this year, we are not at that level yet, the gap has closed and will get closer, but we not there yet. Are you really suggesting we turf out the management team that has brought us to this level of improvement for who ? And what ? And if they don't beat Dublin next year turf them out too??
See how silly that sounds. We have eventually gotten over the disaster of the banty mod era. We hold firm and continue to build progress. And we will beat dubs in near future"
To clarify I wasn't necessarily saying that the management be replaced but the regime employed I believe has not brought forward any meaningful progress over the last while as we are still the second best team in Leinster and have the same flaws that we had 12-18 months ago and a fresh approach may benefit
If nobody else thinks that Dublin are beatable then we will see by Christmas
If nobody thinks that Meath are capable of doing it then I still think we should at least see that we are closer than we were last year or the year before which I don't think we are and should always be something to aspire to
Glad to have sparked a bit of a response though!

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 28/10/2020 11:46:43    2302409

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Replying To ABK67:  "To clarify I wasn't necessarily saying that the management be replaced but the regime employed I believe has not brought forward any meaningful progress over the last while as we are still the second best team in Leinster and have the same flaws that we had 12-18 months ago and a fresh approach may benefit
If nobody else thinks that Dublin are beatable then we will see by Christmas
If nobody thinks that Meath are capable of doing it then I still think we should at least see that we are closer than we were last year or the year before which I don't think we are and should always be something to aspire to
Glad to have sparked a bit of a response though!"
here's some wood for the fire lads.....Suggest, Andys tenure gets extended now pre Champ due to Management team effectively "losing a season" with this squad. take pressure off him....and add a further layer of stability to situation...BUT...insist two things....that he/they start a discussion about the next Guy in , so that in Andys last year , we have a transition plan , and also insist that he improves his engagement with u20 & U17 Management Teams, as a standard template going forward …..

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 28/10/2020 13:33:07    2302474

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Replying To ABK67:  "To clarify I wasn't necessarily saying that the management be replaced but the regime employed I believe has not brought forward any meaningful progress over the last while as we are still the second best team in Leinster and have the same flaws that we had 12-18 months ago and a fresh approach may benefit
If nobody else thinks that Dublin are beatable then we will see by Christmas
If nobody thinks that Meath are capable of doing it then I still think we should at least see that we are closer than we were last year or the year before which I don't think we are and should always be something to aspire to
Glad to have sparked a bit of a response though!"
'has not brought any meaningful progress'

First all ireland quarter final appearance (Super 8s) in 13 years
Promoted back into division 1 for the first time in 14 years
3 all star nominations

If thats not 'meaningful progress' I dont know what is
What sort of progress are you looking for????

Meathgaa5 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 28/10/2020 15:51:53    2302540

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "'has not brought any meaningful progress'

First all ireland quarter final appearance (Super 8s) in 13 years
Promoted back into division 1 for the first time in 14 years
3 all star nominations

If thats not 'meaningful progress' I dont know what is
What sort of progress are you looking for????"
Totally agree!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 515 - 28/10/2020 16:14:34    2302548

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Replying To ABK67:  "The idea that we don't set a benchmark beyond what was achieved the previous year ie beaten Leinster finalists is probably why we continue to stagnate
What should it be? A good showing, a valiant defeat , one player or other has a good day but rarely two days in a row? Keoghan and Menton excepted
We used to be hard to beat no matter what
Páidí O Se famously referred to the Kerry Football public as
Animals because they never accepted second best and because of that a Munster or AI title was never far away
Maybe we should be a bit more like that
But I suppose as long as there are those that pre excuse every defeat and cheerlead every minor step forward and dismiss any criticism as BS maybe we are where we deserve to be"
You seem to think that by having the same mindset as Kerry will just all of a sudden make us better, it doesn't work like that it's a process. Despite being that mindset Kerry have won 1 all Ireland in the last 11 years. You say we used to be hard to beat, that was 20 years ago. The one good spell we've had since was 07-10. In this we blew a 9 point lead to Wexford, got hammered by Limerick and couldn't get over the line against the Dubs in 07 or 09 when they were a far cry from what they are now. Also do you think Andy accepts moral victories. After a 4 point loss to Dublin which is the closest we've been in 8 years he said we came here to win and we are 4 points off. Compare that to the last manager who when we lost to Tyrone in the league said you have to remember Tyrone are a division 1 side really. And my original question still stands. Who would you bring in instead?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 28/10/2020 16:28:51    2302551

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "You seem to think that by having the same mindset as Kerry will just all of a sudden make us better, it doesn't work like that it's a process. Despite being that mindset Kerry have won 1 all Ireland in the last 11 years. You say we used to be hard to beat, that was 20 years ago. The one good spell we've had since was 07-10. In this we blew a 9 point lead to Wexford, got hammered by Limerick and couldn't get over the line against the Dubs in 07 or 09 when they were a far cry from what they are now. Also do you think Andy accepts moral victories. After a 4 point loss to Dublin which is the closest we've been in 8 years he said we came here to win and we are 4 points off. Compare that to the last manager who when we lost to Tyrone in the league said you have to remember Tyrone are a division 1 side really. And my original question still stands. Who would you bring in instead?"
Who would you bring in instead?"
my Guess ABK67 would bring in someone from Dunshaughlin,,

ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 68 - 28/10/2020 16:40:52    2302558

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If anyone is suggesting getting Rid of Andy its got to be a wind up.Leave him to do the job ! This meath team is on track

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 28/10/2020 17:35:26    2302584

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "'has not brought any meaningful progress'

First all ireland quarter final appearance (Super 8s) in 13 years
Promoted back into division 1 for the first time in 14 years
3 all star nominations

If thats not 'meaningful progress' I dont know what is
What sort of progress are you looking for????"
Last quarter final was 2010 - we lost to Kildare

Last time in division 1 was 2003 I believe

Mick O'Dowd had all star nominations

Yes Andy has done well, no one doubts that, but should we settle for mediocrity too and accept that he's also had his faults?? I'd say Sean Boylan also had his faults, ever manager has. People are allowed voice an opinion on it.

Personally i think Andy could've done better. But he's made his errors over his four years which are well documented. Just because we've advanced a bit doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for the errors he's made. We all want to see a a great and competitive Meath team on the pitch and he's getting us there, but other managers also put in work before him and at underage level to help get him there.

The day I accept everything is rosy in the garden with Meath football when they're not regularly challenging for leinster and all ireland titles across all age grades is a day i hope never to see. Meath football stagnated in the 90's and was passed out by almost every county in terms of how things are done. This has hampered every manager including Sean Boylan onwards. Until we get things back up to those standards of competing at all levels of the game the product on the pitch for senior football will suffer.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 28/10/2020 18:00:30    2302589

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Replying To ABK67:  "Dublin under Farrell are not the team that they were and won't win this year's championship.
Any combination of our panel would beat Wicklow or Wexford easily and shouldn't be considered a benchmark. We are the currently the second best team in Leinster but are we any better than previous years going back to the previous management?
Our goalkeeper/ kickout problem remains and if anything is worse
Our backs are better and Keoghan would make any team
We still have only one midfielder but he's excellent
Our forwards have got worse as we never found a go to forward to replace Sheridan or Biggy or developed an inside forward like McManus or Rock To pull in big scores
Dublin still look like beating us though which is a pity as after watching their last two games they are there to be taken this year with no discipline etc they are going backwards.
If the current regime is to remain Dublin have to be beaten by us this year and that should be our benchmark and no more excuses"
Some big assumptions throughout your post,
Dublin have gone backwards, this before a ball is kicked in Championship, league has meant little to Dublin over last few years, its just a way to introduce up and coming talent and get them used to their system.
Any Meath selection will beat Wicklow/Wexford, read many similar posts before Longford game, not the frame of mind any team should enter a game. can prove to be very embarrassing.
Currently second best team in Leinster, based on what, if we get to semi, opposition will have no fear of us whatsoever a 50/50 game.
Kick out strategy has been done to death on here.
Backs do look better, but we continue to concede high scores.
Hopefully we have a partner for Menton at long last
Forwards have started to look like a unit and have put up decent scores over last few matches. How exactly do you go about developing an inside forward like McManus or Rock ,if it was that easy every team would be full of top class forwards knocking up big scores in every match-and why stop with the forwards, let us know the secret.
No doubt Dublin will address their discipline, let them get their best team out before proclaiming their demise.
We are a top ten team with a dreadful record coming into this championship, lets take it one game at a time and see where that takes us. Hopefully we make the Leinster Final and get a chance to play Dublin.
Ill-informed bravado never won a game

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 28/10/2020 18:01:55    2302591

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Replying To Meathgaa5:  "'has not brought any meaningful progress'

First all ireland quarter final appearance (Super 8s) in 13 years
Promoted back into division 1 for the first time in 14 years
3 all star nominations

If thats not 'meaningful progress' I dont know what is
What sort of progress are you looking for????"
That's actually a fair point

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2020 19:23:46    2302609

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I've been viewing posts on the Meath forum a long time now so i'm going to give my choice of a team for rest of 2020

Colgan best option left this year & will be determined to use lessons learned in super 8's last year

Lavin best no.2
McGill best no.3
Ryan based on last year's performance & last Sunday's v Monaghan, solid, smart & tenacious

Keogan best no.5
Menton we know what he can do in midfield, could be even better as a back.
J McEntee mobile , tenacious and also gets forward.

Jones exciting player, I expect a lot from him
Conlon based on his first performance v Donegal in PT, enigmatic but has potential and could be good foil to Jones

Harnan give him freedom here to pick up midfield breaks, cut out counterattacks and give steel going forward
McMahon best for here atm, can score, maybe keep all 6 forwards moving and he,ll get in closer and
O' Sullivan hope hes well, great speed, attitude, fearless runs & he could include/offload other forwards more

Morris 7pts says he has to start next day, if he keeps scoring he plays- need fearless accurate scoring forwards

Walsh ability, scores every game and is improving a lot.
Lenihan will be cute, will score preferably lots of goals & can work with Walsh and Morris.
Thats it, Hope we get a decent deserved injury free run at it this Winter. and we can change change Played 10 Lost 9 and Drew 1 in 2020
PS Btw tell Andy I'm available till December with this lockdown & Im much better looking than Fino or Donal, just sayin

meathareneverbeat (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 28/10/2020 23:03:23    2302695

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