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Banty for Cavan??

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While we are on the subject of keeping players, my personal view is that we are only hitting the tip of the iceberg. Every club can see that there are one or two players each year moving for work or travelling. Its more and more common and the world is a much smaller place now. So I fully expect that Cavan will be forced into reducing the number of clubs rather than choosing to do it.

The reality is that there are more sports and more options for young people now - Rugby, Soccer, etc. and on the travelling front, you can get to London in 50 minutes. Australia, NZ, Canada, etc are common destinations now. So when we look at the trends and couple that with the fact that underage numbers are down then we should realise that we have a serious problem to address.

I keep banging on about the county board needing to make a plan and a template for Cavan football so that we have a directive and have everybody on board. If you look at the problems that I mentioned above then it seems fairly obvious that the counties with bigger populations and player pools will pull away even further than how it is today.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 18/07/2018 09:48:25    2123394

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Bigger counties like Meath or Cork?
Or maybe Monaghan, bigger than us, if you ignore the fact that they have a lower population.

Setantawatchl (Cavan) - Posts: 132 - 18/07/2018 10:52:23    2123418

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Replying To Setantawatchl:  "Bigger counties like Meath or Cork?
Or maybe Monaghan, bigger than us, if you ignore the fact that they have a lower population."
Strange reply, I don't understand what you're challenging here? Did you read the post?

My point is not based on numbers today, its a worry that I have in the years ahead. And the gap that I can see developing.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 18/07/2018 11:26:19    2123432

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "overall Martin Reilly have been a good servant to the county and is my number one by a long shot. Good respectful man towards the management as well. No 1 by a very long shot."
I'd agree with that Martin has been our most consistent player over the last decade. This year Gearoid has been our most influential player. as for managers, what has happened to Micheal McDermott former Ramour and county Clare manager who also managed top team in Clare. Is he still managing ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5350 - 18/07/2018 20:59:38    2123607

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I'd agree with that Martin has been our most consistent player over the last decade. This year Gearoid has been our most influential player. as for managers, what has happened to Micheal McDermott former Ramour and county Clare manager who also managed top team in Clare. Is he still managing ?"
And what team exactly has Michael McDerrmot switched alight this past 5 years? Or Peter Reilly either?
Jason won a club championship with the Gaels last year so did Canavan in 2014 and Along with other middle of the road managers including Gerry McCarville Ect?
Does that qualify them to manage Cavan in DIv 2??
I hear other posters complaining about development squads and structures being wrong but I don't hear any alternatives being put forward.
Kevin Walsh the Galway Manager spoke of 57 players that refused to play for Galway but they still in the super 8s and doing well.
We can't even make an Ulster final regardless of who commits.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 19/07/2018 00:09:22    2123660

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "And what team exactly has Michael McDerrmot switched alight this past 5 years? Or Peter Reilly either?
Jason won a club championship with the Gaels last year so did Canavan in 2014 and Along with other middle of the road managers including Gerry McCarville Ect?
Does that qualify them to manage Cavan in DIv 2??
I hear other posters complaining about development squads and structures being wrong but I don't hear any alternatives being put forward.
Kevin Walsh the Galway Manager spoke of 57 players that refused to play for Galway but they still in the super 8s and doing well.
We can't even make an Ulster final regardless of who commits."
The answer to your any alternatives inaroundehouse? is to get rid off the development squads completely and allow the clubs to develop their own players for the future at least you might get an even balance of unbiased attention towards your future club and county players unlike the development squads where a selective handful are brought in and the rest are forgotten about.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4564 - 19/07/2018 10:54:36    2123705

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "The answer to your any alternatives inaroundehouse? is to get rid off the development squads completely and allow the clubs to develop their own players for the future at least you might get an even balance of unbiased attention towards your future club and county players unlike the development squads where a selective handful are brought in and the rest are forgotten about."
The whole CB structure needs changing. Amalgamations are needed for the Senior championship just like it's done in Kerry. Mid . East west Ect competing with main clubs.
Good junior and intermediate players need to be able to compete at a higher level firstly within their own county .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 19/07/2018 16:36:12    2123813

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The whole CB structure needs changing. Amalgamations are needed for the Senior championship just like it's done in Kerry. Mid . East west Ect competing with main clubs.
Good junior and intermediate players need to be able to compete at a higher level firstly within their own county ."
There is such a bias towards senior clubs that It's a joke !

In you way of thinking only those playing Division 1 should make the county team !

If that were the case we'd be in a worse position than we are now.

If those that are playing for senior clubs are so much better than the other divisions, how come they are no keeping the like of Clarke, mc Kiernan, etc out of the team with their skill levels ?

Surely when they are training, playing challenges etc with the county then they will get up to speed of the inter county game. Having said that, the way we have been playing, speed doesn't come into it.

If you took a player from any senior team and dropped him straight into a county team he'd struggle until he got used to it. It's the same with any other division. If he's good enough and puts in the effort he'll make it. One of the best players we had in recent years was David givney and he played for a junior team. This article make the case

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/damn-time-stigma-attached-junior-intermediate-club-player-dropped-129921

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 20/07/2018 13:28:43    2124009

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Replying To StirringIt:  "There is such a bias towards senior clubs that It's a joke !

In you way of thinking only those playing Division 1 should make the county team !

If that were the case we'd be in a worse position than we are now.

If those that are playing for senior clubs are so much better than the other divisions, how come they are no keeping the like of Clarke, mc Kiernan, etc out of the team with their skill levels ?

Surely when they are training, playing challenges etc with the county then they will get up to speed of the inter county game. Having said that, the way we have been playing, speed doesn't come into it.

If you took a player from any senior team and dropped him straight into a county team he'd struggle until he got used to it. It's the same with any other division. If he's good enough and puts in the effort he'll make it. One of the best players we had in recent years was David givney and he played for a junior team. This article make the case

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/damn-time-stigma-attached-junior-intermediate-club-player-dropped-129921"
My way of thinking is any standout junior or intermediate player will get a better chance of improvement or been noticed if he performing at a higher level firstly within his own county. Lads like McKiernan , Clarke and any other budding player deserves a chance to play against teams like the Gaels in amalgamations as well as their own junior and intermediate competitions.
It can only improve players playing at a higher level firstly within their own county.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 20/07/2018 16:35:52    2124051

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "My way of thinking is any standout junior or intermediate player will get a better chance of improvement or been noticed if he performing at a higher level firstly within his own county. Lads like McKiernan , Clarke and any other budding player deserves a chance to play against teams like the Gaels in amalgamations as well as their own junior and intermediate competitions.
It can only improve players playing at a higher level firstly within their own county."
A few years back the Gaels had to play an amalgamation made up of Shercock and Bailieboro I think it was in a different level the gaels lost the final and walked off the pitch I think that answers your question don't you think. Everyone knows what the so called player of the game thought of being picked player of the match despite the fact he was no where near the player of the match but thats for another day.

Amalgamations are a great idea once they don't beat the gaels and also they cannot represent Cavan in the Ulster club games.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4564 - 21/07/2018 22:35:27    2124439

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "My way of thinking is any standout junior or intermediate player will get a better chance of improvement or been noticed if he performing at a higher level firstly within his own county. Lads like McKiernan , Clarke and any other budding player deserves a chance to play against teams like the Gaels in amalgamations as well as their own junior and intermediate competitions.
It can only improve players playing at a higher level firstly within their own county."
Clarke will get the chance this year.

Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone don't have amalgamtions and it's not doing them any harm.

And the answer to the thread is no. No way.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 22/07/2018 10:40:43    2124582

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "A few years back the Gaels had to play an amalgamation made up of Shercock and Bailieboro I think it was in a different level the gaels lost the final and walked off the pitch I think that answers your question don't you think. Everyone knows what the so called player of the game thought of being picked player of the match despite the fact he was no where near the player of the match but thats for another day.

Amalgamations are a great idea once they don't beat the gaels and also they cannot represent Cavan in the Ulster club games."
Sean, you always took great pride in being public in your posts.

Have you joined us on the dark side now?

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 24/07/2018 13:54:19    2125687

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Replying To Reformation:  "Sean, you always took great pride in being public in your posts.

Have you joined us on the dark side now?"
He's also 'mowbar'

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 425 - 24/07/2018 18:55:10    2125847

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Oh dear me I am not the above thats for sure Mrs-Mac .

Reformation it's a long story regarding my name anyone could see all that changed was my own personal name not to distract from topics because the usual individuals used it to accuse me of having inside information which I never had really. Now that I am no longer the caretaker I felt best to have it changed. Of course I had more inside knowledge after near on 40 years 21 of those on my own and one does learn a lot of things about individuals including managers Chairmen executives players so called supporters coaches bluffers and so on. It's natural don't you think. Being able to see most things first hand one does see things that go on that others would miss. I was nearly at the stage where I could name the first 12 of fifteen players that would start each match from watching them train with most of the managers. Common sense would tell you that don't you think. The fringe players could do so as well unless of course they were stupid.

I retired after the 3rd of September which was my last game of football to have seen in Breiffni as I had a major operation on the 5th of September near bled to death the last week in September so I am on recovery mode now. So
Regarding my health if you all are concerned is as follows I am holding my own my lungs have not allowed the issues to grow since my treatment began my Kidney's still have the infections my prostrate is 50% healthy but I feel fine thats all people need to know about me other than that I attend the Mater hospital regularly as I have three consultants taking care of me. Now can we leave it at that and move on please. Now is that a lot to ask for or I can just log out it's that simple forget my password I don't really care to be honest.
I may have had no fondness for several managers in my time but I feel I served them all well but many did not reciprocate our agreement regarding the abuse of the county pitch despite shaking hands after our conversations and once they broke that trust and agreement they lacked my respect. Now you know why I don't have a fondness for several that have passed through. Pity they did not have the same respect towards the caretaker and the county pitch as Martin McHugh had, a lesson could be learnt from him and maybe there might not be player power issues that are happening since he left.
Rant over so can we leave it now for this topic is about something else.
I hope Hoganstand will allow this post to be published to close the s***e that comes from the few who think they know it all.
So can we move on Please, I am tired give me space it's all I ask.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4564 - 08/08/2018 23:18:36    2131076

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Oh dear me I am not the above thats for sure Mrs-Mac .

Reformation it's a long story regarding my name anyone could see all that changed was my own personal name not to distract from topics because the usual individuals used it to accuse me of having inside information which I never had really. Now that I am no longer the caretaker I felt best to have it changed. Of course I had more inside knowledge after near on 40 years 21 of those on my own and one does learn a lot of things about individuals including managers Chairmen executives players so called supporters coaches bluffers and so on. It's natural don't you think. Being able to see most things first hand one does see things that go on that others would miss. I was nearly at the stage where I could name the first 12 of fifteen players that would start each match from watching them train with most of the managers. Common sense would tell you that don't you think. The fringe players could do so as well unless of course they were stupid.

I retired after the 3rd of September which was my last game of football to have seen in Breiffni as I had a major operation on the 5th of September near bled to death the last week in September so I am on recovery mode now. So
Regarding my health if you all are concerned is as follows I am holding my own my lungs have not allowed the issues to grow since my treatment began my Kidney's still have the infections my prostrate is 50% healthy but I feel fine thats all people need to know about me other than that I attend the Mater hospital regularly as I have three consultants taking care of me. Now can we leave it at that and move on please. Now is that a lot to ask for or I can just log out it's that simple forget my password I don't really care to be honest.
I may have had no fondness for several managers in my time but I feel I served them all well but many did not reciprocate our agreement regarding the abuse of the county pitch despite shaking hands after our conversations and once they broke that trust and agreement they lacked my respect. Now you know why I don't have a fondness for several that have passed through. Pity they did not have the same respect towards the caretaker and the county pitch as Martin McHugh had, a lesson could be learnt from him and maybe there might not be player power issues that are happening since he left.
Rant over so can we leave it now for this topic is about something else.
I hope Hoganstand will allow this post to be published to close the s***e that comes from the few who think they know it all.
So can we move on Please, I am tired give me space it's all I ask."
Agreed lets move on. This is meant to be a forum on football, not personal job CV's or health updates.

ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 206 - 09/08/2018 14:40:46    2131230

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "My way of thinking is any standout junior or intermediate player will get a better chance of improvement or been noticed if he performing at a higher level firstly within his own county. Lads like McKiernan , Clarke and any other budding player deserves a chance to play against teams like the Gaels in amalgamations as well as their own junior and intermediate competitions.
It can only improve players playing at a higher level firstly within their own county."
You have a point, but these lads are playing county football from November (football starts in January) until they're out of the championship in July. those two lads you've mentioned are playing county football since 2009/2012. now if they need a (poor) cavan senior championship to improve their game we may forget about all this professionalism blah blah nonsense.
What will improve club championship in Cavan is success at the highest level, an ulster title!!! success changes the mindset at club level. a changed mindset at club level then begins a feasible feeder system of good players into the county squad.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 394 - 10/08/2018 10:56:53    2131480

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Replying To theweanling:  "I remember Banty being mentioned for the job to years ago and the response by everyone was pretty much the same NO WAY!!!!!! Look my opinion is that it should be an inside manager, simple as. but the attitude and response towards the suggestion of Banty pretty much sums up cavans false elitist attitude. this county has won nothing at senior level in 21 year and nothing for another 27 years before that!!!! one solitary quarter final is our best finish in 17 years of qualifiers. Banty took Monaghan to two quarter finals and a whisker away from beating kerry!!! put a base in place to which Monaghan then went on and won two ulsters and consistent top 8 finishes. what have Meath done since he left btw? and what have cavan done , nothing!!!!!! the attitude needs to change in cavan, accept where we are (there is talent there) but its no good without the right attitude. so before dismissing Banty as pure folly remember the real problem in cavan lies within."
I agree with you to an extent but standout junior players are not ready for county football solely on performing in the local junior championship.
Yes if they can perform to a higher level in a senior championship as well as their own championship then they might be ready for the next level.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 10/08/2018 11:31:31    2131493

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I agree with you to an extent but standout junior players are not ready for county football solely on performing in the local junior championship.
Yes if they can perform to a higher level in a senior championship as well as their own championship then they might be ready for the next level."
I will say i'm an advocate of amalgamations and i do agree with you on your point about junior players playing senior. but some of these lads play more county football than club football. on another note what happened to the junior panel that was set up which brought an all Ireland to the county. it was meant to be a stepping stone and it was abolished

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 394 - 10/08/2018 12:12:26    2131507

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Jayo on a 2 run skid with a team that a lot of people on here think if manages itself. Not great timing when been linked with county especially when the 2 games are the most important of the year to date!

ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 206 - 11/08/2018 06:39:10    2131662

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Jayo is NOT the man for the Cavan job. The Gaels players would tell you this themselves. Cavan Gaels have a panel of 30 lads chomping at the bit to get into the starting team, they have more quality than anyone else. In fact I think there is so much more that could be got out of them.
If we appoint Jayo we are gonna have another long two years

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 178 - 11/08/2018 09:37:24    2131678

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