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Replying To avonali:  "lol. Do you sit in front of a computer all day recycling the same argument in different configurations just to seem 'reasonable'. This is nothing but old fashioned begrudgery masquerading as reasoned debate. Go out for a walk for yourself like a good man. Jesus, if the Dubs win the five in a row your computer will explode."
The English Women's Rugby team are dominating an amateur Six Nations. Can Dublin GAA relate to this?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7827 - 04/07/2019 16:34:30    2205511

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Replying To Joxer:  "I don't know but one title in a football province must be worth 10 in a hurling province. I mean 3 games to win an AI title and one of those games against a hurling county. Hand back the medals. 81 titles in Munster. I mean really. Time for the Rebels to rebel and get Kerry moved into Ulster."
We were lucky to get out of Limerick with a draw in 2004. Can Dublin relate to playing a final in an opponents ground?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7827 - 04/07/2019 16:40:20    2205515

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The English Women's Rugby team are dominating an amateur Six Nations. Can Dublin GAA relate to this?"
Don't like Rugby , but fair play to them , 81 Munster titles 37 All Ireland Can Kerry GAA relate to this ? -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 16:41:59    2205516

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Is it like comparing dog years to human years? Is it like comparing scoring goals in the Dutch Football League to scoring goals in the English Premier League?"
I don't know is it ? What do you think ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 16:46:12    2205521

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Replying To Joxer:  "I don't know but one title in a football province must be worth 10 in a hurling province. I mean 3 games to win an AI title and one of those games against a hurling county. Hand back the medals. 81 titles in Munster. I mean really. Time for the Rebels to rebel and get Kerry moved into Ulster."
Cake walk titles most of them

Complete dominance and only for a push in the back would have been a very handy 5 in a row playing very few matches, and given how uncompetitive most of those were.. It's Very clear the level of opposition just weren't anywhere near good enough. A poor era.

Teams playing 3 games to win an AI is ridiculous.

Very large winning margins year after year. Utter dominance.

Now compare that to this decade and the far superior competitive nature to the titles collected by the various winners.

It's very telling that Kerry had it pretty easy. 15 games to win 4.. it took Dublin 28 to win the same amount of titles.

Almost twice as difficult and zero cake walks.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/07/2019 16:46:29    2205522

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Replying To legendzxix:  "We were lucky to get out of Limerick with a draw in 2004. Can Dublin relate to playing a final in an opponents ground?"
No we are not allowed .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 16:48:15    2205525

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Replying To avonali:  "Oh for God's sake would you ever get a lif!. Go out for a walk or something and clear your head.You'll drive yourself mad."
Children must play lol...

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 16:51:28    2205528

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "100% jack, Horan is trying his hardest to to get tier 2 in and turning a blind eye to what is going on under his nose.

****
the tier 2 s***e and share the money out equally.

I can't see anything being changed until county teams take a stand and strike, i gaurentee you if there's mention of a strike and sky get word of it the GAA will have to change the over funding of Dublin and while they're at it get the dubs on the road."
A second tier championship is addressing a symptom not the cause . Both Meath and Kildare would be in the top tier .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/07/2019 17:20:23    2205542

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Replying To superbluedub:  "No idea don't know anything about the man ."
Ah come on, surly u can do a bit better than that answer

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 04/07/2019 17:29:21    2205544

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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "100% jack, Horan is trying his hardest to to get tier 2 in and turning a blind eye to what is going on under his nose.

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the tier 2 s***e and share the money out equally.

I can't see anything being changed until county teams take a stand and strike, i gaurentee you if there's mention of a strike and sky get word of it the GAA will have to change the over funding of Dublin and while they're at it get the dubs on the road."
A second tier championship is addressing a symptom not the cause . Both Meath and Kildare would be in the top tier .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 4973 - 04/07/2019

The second tier championship is smoke & mirrors by an unashamedly partisan president. An attempt to deflect from the real issues.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 04/07/2019 17:36:45    2205546

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Ah come on, surly u can do a bit better than that answer"
D- LOL...…

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 17:38:20    2205548

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The Munster Final was the only all Division 1 final for many a year. There were 2 All-Munster All-Ireland finals. All without any state aid.

Dublin have had no challenger in the Leinster Championship. All-Irelands have been won with 3 or 4 home games.

2000 was the last All-Ireland Championship before the qualifiers began. It was very fitting that Kerry won it after beating Armagh after extra time is the replay semi-final and Galway after a replay in the final.

Do ye remember the 2001 quarter-final in Thurles? Kerry offered a coin toss for home advantage. Dublin wanted the neutral venue of Thurles! ;)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7827 - 04/07/2019 17:45:25    2205550

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Cake walk titles most of them

Complete dominance and only for a push in the back would have been a very handy 5 in a row playing very few matches, and given how uncompetitive most of those were.. It's Very clear the level of opposition just weren't anywhere near good enough. A poor era.

Teams playing 3 games to win an AI is ridiculous.

Very large winning margins year after year. Utter dominance.

Now compare that to this decade and the far superior competitive nature to the titles collected by the various winners.

It's very telling that Kerry had it pretty easy. 15 games to win 4.. it took Dublin 28 to win the same amount of titles.

Almost twice as difficult and zero cake walks."
I was there at all of those semi finals and finals Jimbo. That was a brilliant team. They are the best I have ever seen. As a very young team they took out Dublin's last great team prior to this great Dublin team. Like this Dublin team they had a core of great players who lasted a long time. Kerry didn't have it easy. They had to take out a Cork team in the 70s that had won an All Ireland. They went toe to toe with a Dublin team that won 3 All Irelands in 4 years. They then beat an Offaly team that also went on to win an All Ireland. Finally they twice took out a Dublin team that won an All Ireland in 1983. Remember that there was no cushion in those days. If you lost you were out. I have attended 100 All Ireland senior finals between hurling and football. I have been at every All Ireland football final since 1972 bar the 2000 replay. No All Ireland is easily won. What you have written is deeply disrespectful to a great team.
I do not deny the greatness of this Dublin team nor would I ever speak in disparaging terms of their achievements. There can be no denying that Dublin have had massive financial and logistical advantages bestowed upon them by the GAA for at least twelve years. There can also be no doubt that this is helping this great team to rebuild and perpetuate itself. Look at the results of their minor and most particularly their U 20/21 teams in this decade. What worries me is that I believe that if The GAA continue to bestow these advantages upon Dublin it will lead to the decimation of the All Ireland football championship in a manner very similar to what has happened to the Leinster senior football championship. Gaelic Games are at the core of my identity as I believe they are at the core of your identity too Jimbo. Do you want to see the All Ireland championship destroyed ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/07/2019 17:57:35    2205552

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Replying To legendzxix:  "We were lucky to get out of Limerick with a draw in 2004. Can Dublin relate to playing a final in an opponents ground?"
Was that on the way to title number 67 or 68? It's all a blur at this stage. Just one long 81 years of a procession for the annual gifting of the golden bookmarks and the door stop. It's like Palm Sunday each year.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/07/2019 18:06:31    2205555

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Replying To superbluedub:  "No we are not allowed ."
Other counties keep dictating that we play in neutral Croke Park instead of our home in Donnycarney. Somebody needs to sort this. It's an unfair advantage alright. We'd fix it if the DCB decided these things but they don't. The power is in other county's hands.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/07/2019 18:10:50    2205558

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Cake walk titles most of them

Complete dominance and only for a push in the back would have been a very handy 5 in a row playing very few matches, and given how uncompetitive most of those were.. It's Very clear the level of opposition just weren't anywhere near good enough. A poor era.

Teams playing 3 games to win an AI is ridiculous.

Very large winning margins year after year. Utter dominance.

Now compare that to this decade and the far superior competitive nature to the titles collected by the various winners.

It's very telling that Kerry had it pretty easy. 15 games to win 4.. it took Dublin 28 to win the same amount of titles.

Almost twice as difficult and zero cake walks."
Massive asterisk over those titles. Dublin had to play nearly twice the amount games to win the same amount of titles in an era were dedication levels are supreme and we're not housed in a hurling only province. Munster counties need to start campaigning to get Kerry out. Ulster would be the logical choice.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/07/2019 18:19:17    2205561

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The English Women's Rugby team are dominating an amateur Six Nations. Can Dublin GAA relate to this?"
Are you suggesting there's an analogy between The Dubs and the English Ladies' Rugby team?

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 04/07/2019 18:36:36    2205567

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Replying To Joxer:  "Other counties keep dictating that we play in neutral Croke Park instead of our home in Donnycarney. Somebody needs to sort this. It's an unfair advantage alright. We'd fix it if the DCB decided these things but they don't. The power is in other county's hands."
Its not right , the sooner its sorted the better.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/07/2019 18:43:49    2205571

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The English Women's Rugby team are dominating an amateur Six Nations. Can Dublin GAA relate to this?"
Exactly and they're trying to say money doesn't matter :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/07/2019 18:50:04    2205572

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Cake walk titles most of them

Complete dominance and only for a push in the back would have been a very handy 5 in a row playing very few matches, and given how uncompetitive most of those were.. It's Very clear the level of opposition just weren't anywhere near good enough. A poor era.

Teams playing 3 games to win an AI is ridiculous.

Very large winning margins year after year. Utter dominance.

Now compare that to this decade and the far superior competitive nature to the titles collected by the various winners.

It's very telling that Kerry had it pretty easy. 15 games to win 4.. it took Dublin 28 to win the same amount of titles.

Almost twice as difficult and zero cake walks."
Your attempt to run down one of the sports great teams is pathetic Jim. Every team played less games then and Kerry won titles right throughout the 00's when they had to play 6,7,8 games just as well.

That late 70's / 80's possibly wasn't the greatest era in football but now is arguably worse where you have one great team and everyone else struggling for one reason or another. It's not 'competitive' if one team is winning everything, usually not having a glove laid on them until the final, if even. This is a great Dublin team but they are also the most privileged side in any sport that I know of ever, getting a massive leg up in every way imaginable year after year.

And you regularly go on about Kerry having a weak province and all these extra games Dublin have to play. Leinster over the past five years has been an embarrassment and the extra games are against really poor opposition and you know it. It's conceivable that Dublin May never again be beaten there. Some players on opposing teams are actually suggesting strikes such is the imbalance in the province and the glaring gap in resources and standards, others have already walked away quietly with the result many county teams cannot depend on having their best 15 available any more.

And you want to claim Dublins success is worth more than another counties? Pull the other one Jim

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 04/07/2019 19:23:41    2205585

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