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Wondering how we will line up V Down. Apparently we have a clean bill of health.

Galligan
McLoughlin Faulkner Clarke
Moynagh C Brady E Flanagan
K Brady McKiernan
M Reilly McVeety O Kiernan
C O'Reilly Magee Johnston

Subs: Farrelly, Murray, Mackey, Bradley, Clerkin, Cole, F Reilly, McCormack, Wharton, Monahan, D Brady

Mattie is eyeing up a long summer so we will have to be solid at the back for a start. I'd prefer to see Clarke further out but his presence in the full back line could be a help. Half back line worries me but no obvious solutions. I'd prefer to see McKiernan closer to goal but midfield is a problem area for us too. Think gunner might be worth a try here. Add a bit of steel there which is missing since Mossy and give a bit of extra protection to central defense and stop runners through the middle. I think there are a few options with that forward 6 and room for in game switches as required. Magee could be a good outlet to go direct at times with O'Reilly/Johnston working off him. McVeety can drift in there too at times. I know we need to tighten up but I hope we don't leave our inside men isolated. Plenty of options from the bench as well. Hopefully we can scrape a win and get a bit of confidence going. Would be nice to get a couple of scalps this summer.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/06/2018 23:34:08    2112202

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "To quote your good self...'Can I not ask a question without being questioned' ..........my original question was to find out if there were any other designated grounds in Cavan for Ulster Championship football....that's all.......don't see anything controversial in that ! Lots of people participate in other county forums from time to time and in my opinion it adds to the quality of debate except that is for the few 'wind up' merchants who contribute nothing positive and just annoy everyone !"
Yes originally the number one pitch to the county grounds was Cootehill, Kingscourt was never number one. The reason these grounds are not allowed to be used is health and safety and will never approved unless there is a vast improvement in parking and in one case money spent on improving their facility. Since the health and safety issues came to the fore many clubs would never be able to play a big match.
If the county pitch is not ready don't be a bit surprised if Enniskillen is used for them if they wish to play a double header but let's hope this will not be the case.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 17/06/2018 09:58:14    2112223

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1 area where Cavan have certainly improved under mcgleenan is discipline. Am I correct in saying we haven't had a single straight red card in his tenure so far? This was a recurring problem under Terry, we would have beaten Derry in breffni in 2016 bar for the idiotic red. Plenty of other examples too.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 291 - 17/06/2018 14:53:39    2112259

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@GallantJohnJoe

I don't recall us having a straight red yet this year so you could be right. While the improved discipline is good, I wonder if it's led to a bit of a lack of steel and fight in the team. We were far too passive in defence in a number of league games, with teams running straight through us with ease on many occasions - something Donegal ruthlessly exploited.

It was good we tightened up against Wicklow but the big test will of course be next weekend. Down carved us up a bit in the league and were it not for some superb saves from Galligan we could have come out the wrong side of that result. Will be interesting to see how it goes in Brewster.

TheBlackDeath (Cavan) - Posts: 33 - 17/06/2018 21:19:19    2112422

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Best of luck to the Bréifne next weekend against Down. Unfortunately away for the next few weeks but will be following our Ulster teams all the way!

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 678 - 17/06/2018 21:26:38    2112426

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Yes originally the number one pitch to the county grounds was Cootehill, Kingscourt was never number one. The reason these grounds are not allowed to be used is health and safety and will never approved unless there is a vast improvement in parking and in one case money spent on improving their facility. Since the health and safety issues came to the fore many clubs would never be able to play a big match.
If the county pitch is not ready don't be a bit surprised if Enniskillen is used for them if they wish to play a double header but let's hope this will not be the case."
I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 17/06/2018 23:53:04    2112468

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches."
Out from Inniskeen where is your second pitch for Monaghan don't own St. Tiernachs Park

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 18/06/2018 11:24:57    2112582

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches."
Name the counties that do

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11600 - 18/06/2018 13:44:07    2112644

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches."
Dublin don't even have 1....

Waterford cant hold a hurling championship game...

Louth and Kildare would only hold very low profile championship games if at all.

radiotower (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 18/06/2018 16:36:51    2112720

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Replying To radiotower:  "Dublin don't even have 1....

Waterford cant hold a hurling championship game...

Louth and Kildare would only hold very low profile championship games if at all."
I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches.
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 420 - 17/06/2018 23:53:04

Why??? How many home games does a inter county team have each year.

3 or 4 league games

1 Provincial Championship game ( dependent on draw)

1 or two qualifier games (dependent on draw)

So best case 7 inter county games at home.

Worst case 3 inter county games at home.

Now can you explain why you think that a county should two inter county grounds for 7 games a year and possibly 3.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 584 - 18/06/2018 17:10:13    2112741

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Replying To RHF:  "I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches.
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 420 - 17/06/2018 23:53:04

Why??? How many home games does a inter county team have each year.

3 or 4 league games

1 Provincial Championship game ( dependent on draw)

1 or two qualifier games (dependent on draw)

So best case 7 inter county games at home.

Worst case 3 inter county games at home.

Now can you explain why you think that a county should two inter county grounds for 7 games a year and possibly 3."
Because they will have to cede home advantage if main ground unavailable ......as Cavan have to do with Down !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 18/06/2018 17:23:11    2112747

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Out from Inniskeen where is your second pitch for Monaghan don't own St. Tiernachs Park"
No need to split hairs about who owns Clones.........it's our county ground full stop. If it was unavailable for any reason and we have a championship match with Down, like Cavan do, then that game would be played in Blayney (2,000 capacity seated stand and like Breffni close to major road networks) and failing that in Inniskeen.

This point seems to have hit a sore point with some very frustrated Cavan supporters but knowledgeable supporters (thankfully in the majority) can see that it's not about bragging rights.

The point is relevant for any county with only 1 designated county ground.....it's topical presently because of the the Cavan v Down game that's all !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 18/06/2018 17:32:58    2112750

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I created this thread for the discussion of football matters, not for trivial nonsense like who owns what ground.

Back to the topic at hand please.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 353 - 18/06/2018 18:08:22    2112761

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "No need to split hairs about who owns Clones.........it's our county ground full stop. If it was unavailable for any reason and we have a championship match with Down, like Cavan do, then that game would be played in Blayney (2,000 capacity seated stand and like Breffni close to major road networks) and failing that in Inniskeen.

This point seems to have hit a sore point with some very frustrated Cavan supporters but knowledgeable supporters (thankfully in the majority) can see that it's not about bragging rights.

The point is relevant for any county with only 1 designated county ground.....it's topical presently because of the the Cavan v Down game that's all !"
To be ruthlessly honest if you are good enough it should not matter what ground you play on. Home or away if you have the quality you should not be afraid to play on any pitch it's that simple. Cavan have not been the only grounds closed over the years for refurbishment.

Next week end one will see how good Cavan are and if beat I hope they don't start blaming not being able to play on their home ground. You will have the same supporters as you would have in Breifni except the free loaders who come in at half time when the gate is opened.
The best of luck to the lads and management and all going well be in the draw next Monday.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 18/06/2018 18:38:17    2112772

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "
Replying To RHF:  "I still think counties in this day and age should have least 2 county grounds capable of holding inter county championship matches.
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 420 - 17/06/2018 23:53:04

Why??? How many home games does a inter county team have each year.

3 or 4 league games

1 Provincial Championship game ( dependent on draw)

1 or two qualifier games (dependent on draw)

So best case 7 inter county games at home.

Worst case 3 inter county games at home.

Now can you explain why you think that a county should two inter county grounds for 7 games a year and possibly 3."
Because they will have to cede home advantage if main ground unavailable ......as Cavan have to do with Down !"
Because they will have to cede home advantage if main ground unavailable ......as Cavan have to do with Down !
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 422 - 18/06/2018 17:23:11 2112747

Big swing

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 584 - 18/06/2018 18:38:25    2112773

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A little correction if I may - Cavan didn't concede home advantage to Down, you dont concede home advantage if your ground is unavailable. Clones was unavailable due to the Ulster Final, so Brewster was the next best thing, and a ground that actually Cavan like.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 19/06/2018 13:24:19    2113051

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "Wondering how we will line up V Down. Apparently we have a clean bill of health.

Galligan
McLoughlin Faulkner Clarke
Moynagh C Brady E Flanagan
K Brady McKiernan
M Reilly McVeety O Kiernan
C O'Reilly Magee Johnston

Subs: Farrelly, Murray, Mackey, Bradley, Clerkin, Cole, F Reilly, McCormack, Wharton, Monahan, D Brady

Mattie is eyeing up a long summer so we will have to be solid at the back for a start. I'd prefer to see Clarke further out but his presence in the full back line could be a help. Half back line worries me but no obvious solutions. I'd prefer to see McKiernan closer to goal but midfield is a problem area for us too. Think gunner might be worth a try here. Add a bit of steel there which is missing since Mossy and give a bit of extra protection to central defense and stop runners through the middle. I think there are a few options with that forward 6 and room for in game switches as required. Magee could be a good outlet to go direct at times with O'Reilly/Johnston working off him. McVeety can drift in there too at times. I know we need to tighten up but I hope we don't leave our inside men isolated. Plenty of options from the bench as well. Hopefully we can scrape a win and get a bit of confidence going. Would be nice to get a couple of scalps this summer."
Mackey....on the bench....are you serious?

Hes the only forward we have with a bit of creativity about him. Johnston in the free role v Antrim was shocking

Galligan

McLoughlin
Clarke
Flanagan

Reilly
Faulkner
Holla

McKiernan
Moynagh

Mackey
Kiernan
Muray

Caoimhin
Cole
McVeety

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 19/06/2018 17:53:41    2113153

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "A little correction if I may - Cavan didn't concede home advantage to Down, you dont concede home advantage if your ground is unavailable. Clones was unavailable due to the Ulster Final, so Brewster was the next best thing, and a ground that actually Cavan like."
More hair splitting....if Cavan had another ground satisfying the criteria the Down game would be there and not in Brewester, Clones, planet mars or wherever else !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 19/06/2018 20:11:11    2113184

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Just goes to show the interest in cavan football when the main contributor to the page is a Monaghan supporter and the contribution is regarding football pitches!!!!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 384 - 20/06/2018 12:44:00    2113323

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Replying To theweanling:  "Just goes to show the interest in cavan football when the main contributor to the page is a Monaghan supporter and the contribution is regarding football pitches!!!!!!"
I appreciate the sentiment but all I asked was a simple question and then paranoia came out of the woodwork.

Let's talk football...Cavan to beat Down pulling up !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 20/06/2018 14:11:56    2113354

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