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The Qualifiers

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Who's arguing that they are top intercounty footballers? No matter where they rank on the scale nationally they are as good as we have in Cavan and better than some of what's there at the moment, we need these lads."
I have to disagree with you quality were not asked back and others got no recognition shows that this management watched no matches last season championship.
Most have gone to the states would you blame them.
Jack Brady James McEnroe DJames Brady Agnew Argue Dillion Reilly Corr Rory Dunne especially Rory we don't have a back like him yet he is left at home are better than 90% of the present players and this is only a few players. Also tells you that this management have not got a clue they send McCormack back to his club and bring him back what message is he giving to those that were on the panel.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 13/06/2018 00:23:01    2110832

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The last league game we played in Breffni was 25th March and it still can't be ready for the qualifiers? 3 months later.
If we beat Down and get a home Draw against a big team where we going to play it?
Great planning here I must say."
Just in reply to the above post the last National league Match on the main pitch was Cavan V Sligo Senior ladies first week in April. The weekend of the 13th and 14th Feile qualifiers were played. Feile Finals were played the 17th April so the pitch up to that date was being used for Senior men training Senior Hurlers training U20 training and challenge games. Training continued right up to June until work started on the County pitch.
I suppose the chances of playing the County simi Finals and finals are still a possibility. Unfortunately there was a huge set back with work on the pitch when it was discovered that practically all the the draining system had been damaged when other work was done for 2006. Thankfully all this has now been repaired and all the soil and drainage stone ect are now in place. Next is the seeding of the pitch. It will be a huge ask to have the pitch ready for the County finals but if that fails I hope they will keep the pitch closed to all activity until the start of the national league that includes closed to training for sadly this does a lot of damage when everyone wants a bite of the cherrie. McKenna Cup could be played in other pitches I am sure.
I hope that clarifies the county pitch situation.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 13/06/2018 03:19:31    2110836

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Replying To ondforty:  "I haven't had many opportunities to agree with Jonsmith, but this is one of them-spot on. Down should have beaten us by 4 goals in the league on heavy ground. I worry what will happen next. In any case, the fact that he got us to Div1 means it's highly unlikely that the CB will remove him."
He got us to Div 1. We are still in the championship. Posters like you and JonSmith now sniping about games we should have lost but didn't .
Now that's petty. Show the man some respect.
If he had 5 years and 4 winning u21 sides and a minor side to pick from then you could complain .
But he hasn't had .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 13/06/2018 08:24:35    2110859

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "So what big results did Terry get in 5 years he was there?
Tell you about all the times we beat Roscommon and Tipp , Tyrone and Monaghan and Donegal .
He took us to Div 1 but so did Mattie so that claim to fame don't wash now.
No other manager would get 5 years to build a team and then leave it in a mess."
Matty took over a team committed to the cause, high in confidence and who had just being promoted to Div 1, whereas on the other hand Terry took over a team showing no commitment or confidence ,who'd rather be in the Imperial than Breifne and who'd just avoided relegation to Div 4.The last time we beat Monaghan in the Ulster Championship was in 2001,Donegal was in 1997 and Tyrone further back in 1983, We didn't play these team too often in the league as they were generally operating out of a higher division than ourselves. As for Tipp not too sure about them played them once in the qualifiers last year and were beaten but we beat them this year in the league. Roscommon are a team we just can't seem to beat in recent years lost two league finals and two qualifiers to them, indeed they've beaten us 3 times in the last two years. If you call finding a team struggling in division 3 and leaving them in division 1 a mess then fair enough that's your opinion, but Hyland did do a lot of good for Cavan football, to the extent where a lot of people were expecting rather than hoping Cavan could beat the bigger teams.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 222 - 13/06/2018 08:57:43    2110868

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Wrong Cavan man....Blayney well capable of holding the likes of Down v Cavan...and Inniskeen too if the truth be told."
Would Blayney hold a Monaghan championship game? No it wouldn't.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 13/06/2018 09:17:35    2110875

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Just in reply to the above post the last National league Match on the main pitch was Cavan V Sligo Senior ladies first week in April. The weekend of the 13th and 14th Feile qualifiers were played. Feile Finals were played the 17th April so the pitch up to that date was being used for Senior men training Senior Hurlers training U20 training and challenge games. Training continued right up to June until work started on the County pitch.
I suppose the chances of playing the County simi Finals and finals are still a possibility. Unfortunately there was a huge set back with work on the pitch when it was discovered that practically all the the draining system had been damaged when other work was done for 2006. Thankfully all this has now been repaired and all the soil and drainage stone ect are now in place. Next is the seeding of the pitch. It will be a huge ask to have the pitch ready for the County finals but if that fails I hope they will keep the pitch closed to all activity until the start of the national league that includes closed to training for sadly this does a lot of damage when everyone wants a bite of the cherrie. McKenna Cup could be played in other pitches I am sure.
I hope that clarifies the county pitch situation."
Breffni park is our biggest asset. If there is any risk that it will not be 100% for any game it should not be used. Thid is a once in a decade piece of work for God sake let's not balls it up.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1250 - 13/06/2018 10:22:07    2110899

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Would Blayney hold a Monaghan championship game? No it wouldn't."
I really don't understand your reply what has Blayney got to do with Breifni Park.
What is it you don't understand about the county pitch being closed.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 13/06/2018 11:38:50    2110940

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Wrong Cavan man....Blayney well capable of holding the likes of Down v Cavan...and Inniskeen too if the truth be told."
No they're not pal, cop yourself on. League matches maybe, but they wouldn't be capable of holding championship matches. Imagine going to Ulster and the Gardai and putting those venues forward. Crowd and safety issues, parking and all that would mean they'd never hold them there. If those grounds could hold it, Kingscourt definitely could and they didn't even try to hold it there.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 13/06/2018 11:43:43    2110946

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Undoubtedly yes. People underrate some lads like McDermott, Fergal Flanagan and Rory Dunne because they weren't superstars but they were solid conditioned experienced intercounty players. That can't be said for a lot on the bench and a the starting side these days. It's hard earned.

And for Loughduff lad if you're saying the likes of the 3 lads I mentioned above have bad attitudes you don't know what your on about. Committed and reliable lads that are a big loss to Cavan football."
Well they're obviously not committed as they're not in the squad. And I'm sure you've heard rumours, same as myself. Some just don't put in the time, and that's fine, everyone has lives, but some just don't want to play any more. And for whatever reason, that means they're not committed.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 13/06/2018 11:45:56    2110949

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Shelbourne is it the Fermanagh page you are looking for??

Reilly tends to make his mind up about certain players before the match, and favour the bigger teams. 2 major shortcomings for a man operating at a senior level. Cavan just gave to suck it up and put 100% effort into discipline after the decision."
This is exactly it Madge. A bad ref will beat you if you let him get to you. Discipline will be crucial and players will need to make good decisions if the ref makes a bad one. Easier said than done as just watching this particular ref boils my blood but the players have enough experience of playing with him now to know his particular quirks and will need to adjust their play a bit to suit particularly their tackling. If management have the players well drilled in this regard then Down could be the ones who will suffer more so it could turn out to be advantage Cavan.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 13/06/2018 13:23:44    2111017

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Replying To Davin:  "in reply to qualfiers i had heard due to brefni park been closed as to new pitch been installed i was told if cavan was to get a home draw the game would be played in clones as its nearest venue to host game so draw was made cavan got home tie with down who lost to donegal as i put hogan stand on i see it gave headline in one part the game was in clones but then next thing i heard the cavan v down will be taken place in brewster park why brewster and not clones"
I don't know if the Ulster final the following day has anything to do with it but delighted the game is not in Clones. Much too big for the expected crowd which would have a huge impact on the atmosphere. Brewster is perfect. Nice and compact and if we get 6K plus there should be a really good atmosphere and hopefully we get behind the team.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 13/06/2018 13:31:10    2111022

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Rory Dunne, Tomas Corr, McEnroe, McDermott & Fergal Flanagan are big losses.

But Corr is retirement and should be allowed retire in peace. Dunne has a recurring injury problem that means he probably would last the year or be able to be a reliable fixture in the team. These two lads not being there is nobody's fault

McDermott, McEnroe & Flanagan were good Senior players in Terry's time and would be a big help if back in the fold in my opinion.

Jack Brady, Dillon and Argue were good under 21's but have never impressed me at senior and I'm fairly sure they are not better than what is there now. These lads got plenty of game time and would probably be opting in if they thought they would make the team I would say. It's the other three lads mentioned above who are opting out in spite of being able to make the team that is the problem that needs to be addressed.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 184 - 13/06/2018 13:42:01    2111028

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Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 687 - 13/06/2018 14:09:05    2111049

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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That was a league match in Blayney Eddie, Championship football wouldn't have been on as cold a day as that...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 13/06/2018 14:31:18    2111071

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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The one thing I'll say for him is he wasn't the winning or losing of the last Cavan game he took charge of - in the league proper down in Hyde Park. A "bad for both teams" type of performance.

But there were people laughing in the stands at some of the calls made that day. It was farcical at times.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3636 - 13/06/2018 14:44:06    2111079

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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I don't know what it is Eddie. They say familiarity breeds contempt but every time we have him there's contention. You can usually get a sense of what a referee wants but with him it's completely random when the whistle goes. You just don't know what way the decision will go. He offers no communication to players and seems to thrive on their frustration. As soon as the inevitable back chat starts he'll go to town on the offenders. I'm sure he's just as bad for the opposition but discipline will be crucial versus Down.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 13/06/2018 15:09:19    2111090

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "
Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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That was a league match in Blayney Eddie, Championship football wouldn't have been on as cold a day as that..."
Think he's talking about 93 or 94

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 13/06/2018 15:29:05    2111106

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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That was a league match in Blayney Eddie, Championship football wouldn't have been on as cold a day as that..."
Think he's talking about 93 or 94"]Yeah that far back doesn't fly, no way would that happen nowadays with crowd safety and such. He mentions it like today would be fine to hold it

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 13/06/2018 16:00:11    2111121

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so Cavan beaten by Down a div 3 team!
sending off was crucial ... tackle looked fair though. Also a number of late dubious frees to Down got them back into it and as for penalty ....hmmmmm

(ops sorry posted too early...Ill be back in 2 weeks)

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 55 - 13/06/2018 16:08:25    2111128

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "
Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "[quote=Eddie the Exile:  "Can I ask, what has Cormac Reilly done to you lads in the past? Serious negativity toward him here! We have suffered under him ourselves. It seems he carries a special red card with Darren Hughes name printed on it. Mayo have their axe to grind with him as well. You should have far too much for Down in any case.


Blayney has held it share of championship matches, including a drawn game with Cavan and Monaghan some years back. It is a decent venue. Inniskeen on the other hand is not even fit to handle high profile league matches, as the Kerry game this year proved. Its all academic now given Brewster is the choice.
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That was a league match in Blayney Eddie, Championship football wouldn't have been on as cold a day as that..."
Think he's talking about 93 or 94"]Yea it was 93 and Cavan were blowing leads back then too, 5 points up going into the last quarter in Blaney and ended up drawing and in the replay Monaghan beat us for the first time in 60 years in Breifne, also the following year we found ourselves leading by 6 points towards the latter end of the game but still managed to lose. Ah those were the days when on the back of an Ulster winning U21 team of 1988 we didn't win a game in the Senior championship until 1995, 7 years on the trot without a win and we think we have it bad these days.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 222 - 13/06/2018 16:09:27    2111129

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