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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "Point is that in a draw it is just as likely that a local will win as someone who isn't from area.Thats just the way it is.These are very important fundraisers for clubs who put serious amount of work into games at a local level and you want HQ to take them over."
The draw should be free and only available to club members. As you say, club members are putting in loads of hours playing, mentoring teams or serving on Executives. Why should that clubs tickets go to someone who isn't even in the club?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 20/07/2024 11:41:51    2560158

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Replying To Viking66:  "The draw should be free and only available to club members. As you say, club members are putting in loads of hours playing, mentoring teams or serving on Executives. Why should that clubs tickets go to someone who isn't even in the club?"
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Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 20/07/2024 12:24:37    2560163

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Replying To Viking66:  "The draw should be free and only available to club members. As you say, club members are putting in loads of hours playing, mentoring teams or serving on Executives. Why should that clubs tickets go to someone who isn't even in the club?"
It is a fund raiser for the club and as long as I can remember has always been for donkeys years.I know in my area when we are in football final the football club has a free draw for members and hurling club uses theirs as fundraiser and vice versa.This money goes back into the club to help with development and the majority of members have no issue with it.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 20/07/2024 12:58:31    2560166

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Yeah clubs have to raise money for development.How else do you expect them to do it?Clubs don't run for free even with huge voluntary contribution.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 20/07/2024 13:02:09    2560167

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Replying To Viking66:  "The draw should be free and only available to club members. As you say, club members are putting in loads of hours playing, mentoring teams or serving on Executives. Why should that clubs tickets go to someone who isn't even in the club?"
A lot of those club members don't go to many county games because they're so heavily involved in the clubs. Men and women that could take the LGFA nursery on a Sunday morning, and/or the U16 boys training on Tuesdays and Thursdays, contact parents to see numbers available, get available pitches, get a referee that's available and a pile more stuff that we don't see through the year. Some wouldn't have the time for work, family, club and get to many club games. The club would be telling them they've a ticket available for a final for them and they'd be the very type of people that would say to give it someone else.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 20/07/2024 16:45:01    2560194

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "100%.
Why do clubs who have never promoted the game of hurling in their lives get tickets for hurling finals?
Or why do the Louth referees get tickets to raffle up between them at the expense of a person from Cork or Clare who coaches an u12 team in Clare or Cork?
There are people in my club who never go to a Wexford match and if Wexford got to a final would be the first ones looked after for tickets.
Stupid system that needs to change, 100%, Get tickets in to the hands of genuine supporters and not in to the hands of Seamus from Donegal or Wicklow or wherever who has never done anything for the game of hurling."
Any suggestions as to how to make it better? Valid ones that work in a two week turnaround?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1920 - 20/07/2024 17:04:48    2560195

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The way the tickets are distributed is a farce and the tickets are also too expensive which likely prices a lot of people out. Tickets should be primarily for competing counties and should be distributed in terms of the number of county games attended ie someone who has attended 10+ games should get their tickets before someone who has attended 5+ games etc. The GAA has likely contributed to the number of number of bandwagon fans with the price of tickets and number of matches but it is unfair that those who have been to lots of matches lose out on tickets to those that never go to matches. Also the GAA limits season tickets to some counties and some people can not afford a season ticket due to the upfront cost.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 20/07/2024 18:05:28    2560200

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The way the tickets are distributed is a farce and the tickets are also too expensive which likely prices a lot of people out. Tickets should be primarily for competing counties and should be distributed in terms of the number of county games attended ie someone who has attended 10+ games should get their tickets before someone who has attended 5+ games etc. The GAA has likely contributed to the number of number of bandwagon fans with the price of tickets and number of matches but it is unfair that those who have been to lots of matches lose out on tickets to those that never go to matches. Also the GAA limits season tickets to some counties and some people can not afford a season ticket due to the upfront cost."
Not all club members can go to all county games because they've their own club games etc to coachz support, play in.
You can't just limit tickets primarily to those who attend the country games and may not do those kind of things.

The gaa should be praised for how they allocate tickets on all ireland finals. Reps from all areas of the county and all areas of the association get tickets and are repsentented
I would hate to see this changed

People need to stop using the word bandwagon to dismiss other fans. It smacks of arrogance, and self-righteousness on you.
Gaa shouldn't limit season tickets but that's a different issue.
Is there not pay by instalment available to pay for season tickets. They cost several hundred euro and payment plans are available for other sports season tickets. Strange if gaa don't allow payment plans.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 20/07/2024 18:24:44    2560203

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Not all club members can go to all county games because they've their own club games etc to coachz support, play in.
You can't just limit tickets primarily to those who attend the country games and may not do those kind of things.

The gaa should be praised for how they allocate tickets on all ireland finals. Reps from all areas of the county and all areas of the association get tickets and are repsentented
I would hate to see this changed

People need to stop using the word bandwagon to dismiss other fans. It smacks of arrogance, and self-righteousness on you.
Gaa shouldn't limit season tickets but that's a different issue.
Is there not pay by instalment available to pay for season tickets. They cost several hundred euro and payment plans are available for other sports season tickets. Strange if gaa don't allow payment plans."
Not intending to dismiss anyone but it is unfair the amount of tickets that go to undeserving people ahead of those that go to a lot of games. It is a very unfair system. I am not saying they don't deserve tickets just that people that never go to games should not get tickets ahead of those that attend many games.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 20/07/2024 18:46:26    2560209

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Not intending to dismiss anyone but it is unfair the amount of tickets that go to undeserving people ahead of those that go to a lot of games. It is a very unfair system. I am not saying they don't deserve tickets just that people that never go to games should not get tickets ahead of those that attend many games."
Most people would agree that supporters who attend all the games should get priority. It would be very hard to track if people don't have season tickets though, especially with a relatively short turnaround, and then who decides who is 'deserving' and who isn't?

The hardcore support in any county, ie the ones that go to all or most games, league, championship etc isn't usually that huge. It's under ten thousand people in most cases. Is there genuinely an issue where these people can't get tickets to finals? There may be the very odd case where this happens but I expect most, if not all of these people will manage to get a ticket when their team makes the final.

There definitely are well connected people who don't get off their a##e all year and then appear at finals but again, I think even that is being overblown a bit.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 20/07/2024 19:59:32    2560215

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "It is a fund raiser for the club and as long as I can remember has always been for donkeys years.I know in my area when we are in football final the football club has a free draw for members and hurling club uses theirs as fundraiser and vice versa.This money goes back into the club to help with development and the majority of members have no issue with it."
There are plenty other ways of raising funds without penalising or riding your own club members who are keeping your club alive. Signage, sponsorship, grants, membership dues, pitch rental, etc etc.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 20/07/2024 21:02:05    2560222

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Most people would agree that supporters who attend all the games should get priority. It would be very hard to track if people don't have season tickets though, especially with a relatively short turnaround, and then who decides who is 'deserving' and who isn't?

The hardcore support in any county, ie the ones that go to all or most games, league, championship etc isn't usually that huge. It's under ten thousand people in most cases. Is there genuinely an issue where these people can't get tickets to finals? There may be the very odd case where this happens but I expect most, if not all of these people will manage to get a ticket when their team makes the final.

There definitely are well connected people who don't get off their a##e all year and then appear at finals but again, I think even that is being overblown a bit."
Yeah most genuine fans would get tickets but I would say about 20% of genuine fans must miss out because county allocations are only around 57,000-58,000 so 28,000-29, 000 tickets each and demand in most counties for most counties would far exceed that number. Like for both the football and hurling finals this year they are having fan zones etc because so many people can't get tickets.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 20/07/2024 21:04:25    2560223

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Replying To Viking66:  "There are plenty other ways of raising funds without penalising or riding your own club members who are keeping your club alive. Signage, sponsorship, grants, membership dues, pitch rental, etc etc."
You're trying to tell clubs how they should fundraise? Majority of clubs struggling to balance books and all Ireland tickets are a great way to raise 3-4,000 euro. Some posters here have no idea what's involved in a club.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1920 - 20/07/2024 22:10:36    2560230

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Yeah most genuine fans would get tickets but I would say about 20% of genuine fans must miss out because county allocations are only around 57,000-58,000 so 28,000-29, 000 tickets each and demand in most counties for most counties would far exceed that number. Like for both the football and hurling finals this year they are having fan zones etc because so many people can't get tickets."
Virtually no county has 28-29,000 supporters regularly so therefore a county getting that many tickets means no genuine supporters miss out, let alone your imaginary 20%

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1920 - 20/07/2024 22:12:30    2560231

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "You're trying to tell clubs how they should fundraise? Majority of clubs struggling to balance books and all Ireland tickets are a great way to raise 3-4,000 euro. Some posters here have no idea what's involved in a club."
I'm on our Executive, county board rep, signage committee, and mentor an underage team. We are a small rural club. Intermediate at adult in both codes. The u12 team I mentor only has 16-18 lads, and that's one of our underage teams with better numbers.
Thanks to the very hard work of our current chairman and the other members of the Executive, and the club members who served on it since the club was formed in it's current guise, and in particular over the last 20 odd years, and the support of the people of the parish, we have 2 pitches, a community centre with a hall, changing rooms, meeting room etc, a stand, a double sided ball wall, 2 Astros, floodlights on one pitch good enough to hold intercounty games at night time, which we upgraded last year, and we even have a walking track! And we are debt free.
I know what's involved in a club. In the relatively short time I've been involved personally I've seen what can be done. Or perhaps a better way of putting it is that I've been shown how it can be done by the people who were doing it here before I got involved.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 20/07/2024 22:35:52    2560234

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Yeah most genuine fans would get tickets but I would say about 20% of genuine fans must miss out because county allocations are only around 57,000-58,000 so 28,000-29, 000 tickets each and demand in most counties for most counties would far exceed that number. Like for both the football and hurling finals this year they are having fan zones etc because so many people can't get tickets."
Demand will always exceed supply for finals and there will always be people disappointed, and they will all no doubt feel that they are more deserving of a ticket than others.

I'm not sure where you are getting the 20% figure but I can't disprove it either. I still think virtually every fan that attends most games will get a ticket somehow.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 20/07/2024 22:36:38    2560235

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Virtually no county has 28-29,000 supporters regularly so therefore a county getting that many tickets means no genuine supporters miss out, let alone your imaginary 20%"
58,000 is the amount that goes to ALL Counties.
2 Competing ones get about 25 to 28k between them!!!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 20/07/2024 23:25:15    2560246

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "You're trying to tell clubs how they should fundraise? Majority of clubs struggling to balance books and all Ireland tickets are a great way to raise 3-4,000 euro. Some posters here have no idea what's involved in a club."
Tickets are allocated to a club. A club is it's members. The club members should get access to those tickets. If my club had 2 tickets, and as a paid up club member I didn't get a chance to win those tickets fairly and squarely, I wouldn't be rushing to pay my club membership next year.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 706 - 20/07/2024 23:43:29    2560247

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Virtually no county has 28-29,000 supporters regularly so therefore a county getting that many tickets means no genuine supporters miss out, let alone your imaginary 20%"
A lad who goes to Dundalk games with me, said on the way out of the game Friday night oh I'm looking forward to a day on the beer in Dublin for the final Sunday.

My mate hasn't been to a Louth game in years never mind a Hurling game.

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 916 - 21/07/2024 01:15:45    2560252

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'm on our Executive, county board rep, signage committee, and mentor an underage team. We are a small rural club. Intermediate at adult in both codes. The u12 team I mentor only has 16-18 lads, and that's one of our underage teams with better numbers.
Thanks to the very hard work of our current chairman and the other members of the Executive, and the club members who served on it since the club was formed in it's current guise, and in particular over the last 20 odd years, and the support of the people of the parish, we have 2 pitches, a community centre with a hall, changing rooms, meeting room etc, a stand, a double sided ball wall, 2 Astros, floodlights on one pitch good enough to hold intercounty games at night time, which we upgraded last year, and we even have a walking track! And we are debt free.
I know what's involved in a club. In the relatively short time I've been involved personally I've seen what can be done. Or perhaps a better way of putting it is that I've been shown how it can be done by the people who were doing it here before I got involved."
So when your club gets its allocation you are saying that you have a free draw for its members. Great, then everyone is happy in your club. Other clubs however choose to do things differently and that's the decision for their club exec. The allocation from Croke Park to club's is fine, it's what clubs do with their tickets that causes the problem. That's why tickets fall into the hands of the wrong people.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1958 - 21/07/2024 08:44:49    2560255

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