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Replying To lefty: "Thought Cathal Doyle went off with around 10 mins left in match, keeper looked to pick up a nasty injury with nobody near him, 3 sent off, taghmon need lads back from Aus very soon if thats a possibility," Not going to happen. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 11:02:02 2571417 Link
Replying To lefty: "Thought Cathal Doyle went off with around 10 mins left in match, keeper looked to pick up a nasty injury with nobody near him, 3 sent off, taghmon need lads back from Aus very soon if thats a possibility," I'm not sure what time was left when CD went off injured, at that stage it was irrelevant as the game was over. The keeper looked to be limping pretty badly after the match, I'm sure they will be happy enough with the date of the fixture to give them some time to get injured bodies right and to try sharpen up their hurling, where as Gusserane on the other side also have the football to focus on. Will the straight red card carry into the relegation or is it still viewed as a separate competition? JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 49 - 23/09/2024 11:09:57 2571419 Link
Replying To JT22: "I'm not sure what time was left when CD went off injured, at that stage it was irrelevant as the game was over. The keeper looked to be limping pretty badly after the match, I'm sure they will be happy enough with the date of the fixture to give them some time to get injured bodies right and to try sharpen up their hurling, where as Gusserane on the other side also have the football to focus on. Will the straight red card carry into the relegation or is it still viewed as a separate competition?" Think its still a different competition, one of the players sent off had to be escorted off pitch bt another player as wanted go back after ref, and attempted to go over to ref at half time also but was pushed away by a teammate, id say a hefty suspension on the way lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 221 - 23/09/2024 11:15:41 2571423 Link
Replying To lefty: "Think its still a different competition, one of the players sent off had to be escorted off pitch bt another player as wanted go back after ref, and attempted to go over to ref at half time also but was pushed away by a teammate, id say a hefty suspension on the way" Yeah, relegation is technically a new competition, so a straight red at the weekend won't mean a suspension for the relegation final. Suspension will instead take effect at the start of next year's championship. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 23/09/2024 12:14:27 2571433 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Yeah, relegation is technically a new competition, so a straight red at the weekend won't mean a suspension for the relegation final. Suspension will instead take effect at the start of next year's championship." Curiosity if red card is for same code competition ie senior if a players team is relegated does suspension still hold if player is playing different level following year . I ve kinda member someone saying a lad suspended for first round senior but was able to play with clubs 2nd team the following year whilst sitting out first round senior . Can't remember which player or club just struck me . Especially nowadays whilst no formal regrading needed . I know bit depends on the type suspension too as there are blanket bans for different categories Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 305 - 23/09/2024 12:56:40 2571442 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Yeah, relegation is technically a new competition, so a straight red at the weekend won't mean a suspension for the relegation final. Suspension will instead take effect at the start of next year's championship." Pretty sure this rule changed last year wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 23/09/2024 13:37:07 2571448 Link
If I had to call the QFs, Anne's beat Rapps Shels beat Crossabeg Harriers beat Gorey ( Believe one of the Doyles is injured for Gorey and McGuckian is out for a while also) Martins beat Ferns OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 146 - 23/09/2024 14:03:08 2571453 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "I notice there are no floodlit fixtures for quarter-finals weekend, apart from maybe the one in Wexford Park at 5pm on the Sunday. All the matches are fixed for the Saturday & Sunday afternoon. So just a guess here, but might be related to the number of match officials available. Obviously every match needs a referee but crucial at this stage that every match has two official linesmen as well. There's a fourth official needed in Wexford Park too. So might just be a case of not being sure enough that there'd be enough officials available if those other two matches were fixed for the same Saturday & Sunday, especially if there's to be a number of underage semi-finals and/or finals to be played on those days as well. But as I said, am just guessing." Our match vs Rapps fixed for 7pm on the Saturday OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 146 - 23/09/2024 14:55:26 2571466 Link
Replying To wexfordwin: "Pretty sure this rule changed last year" Turns out you're right. But if I was real nit-picky, I'd say you're wrong too. It was actually changed two years ago! :) Rule 7.3(c) from Part 1 of the current Rule Book: A game or competition, the sole purpose of which is to determine qualification or relegation in respect of a following year's Championship or League, shall be deemed to be the 'same Competition' as that of the current year's Championship or League, as applicable. The 2023 Rule Book has the same entry, but the 2022 one has the complete opposite, and says such a game is not part of the same competition. Funny how these things can fly under the radar until they become relevant. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 23/09/2024 15:07:31 2571470 Link
Replying To Formertownie: "Curiosity if red card is for same code competition ie senior if a players team is relegated does suspension still hold if player is playing different level following year . I ve kinda member someone saying a lad suspended for first round senior but was able to play with clubs 2nd team the following year whilst sitting out first round senior . Can't remember which player or club just struck me . Especially nowadays whilst no formal regrading needed . I know bit depends on the type suspension too as there are blanket bans for different categories" And on this one - could be one of those cases where there's an anomaly in the Rule Book. Example of what it says about serving a Category III suspension (i.e. most red card offences): A One Match Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, applicable to the next game in the same Competition, even if that game occurs in the following year's competition. 'Level' here simply means inter-county/club/colleges/etc., so you'd think it would follow that if you're sent off in a senior relegation final (for example), and your team loses, then your suspension would be for the first match in the following year's Intermediate championship - i.e. the same level. However, the rule then says 'in the same competition', and Intermediate Hurling Championship is obviously a different competition to Senior Hurling Championship. So do you stand suspended at all or not? I really don't know. Maybe rule could be tidied up, or maybe I'm just stupid! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 23/09/2024 15:12:49 2571472 Link
Replying To OpenStandWall: "Our match vs Rapps fixed for 7pm on the Saturday" Sorry, missed that one. And the one I referred to as being at 5 p.m. on the Sunday is actually on the Saturday as well. But point stands about no floodlit fixtures for anywhere outside of Wexford Park. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 23/09/2024 15:36:09 2571476 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Overall, five teams who didn't win a single group game between them are now through to quarter-finals. Five teams who finished with 6 points and two teams who finished with 5 points are out. It was said a few pages back that it was the under-performers and basically the "bad" teams who stood to gain most from this system. I think we have proof of that now." Best go back to straight knockout so;-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 17:15:14 2571494 Link
Replying To lefty: "Think its still a different competition, one of the players sent off had to be escorted off pitch bt another player as wanted go back after ref, and attempted to go over to ref at half time also but was pushed away by a teammate, id say a hefty suspension on the way" Just on that would a ref be able to decline a match or get swapped to another match if he wanted? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 17:18:15 2571496 Link
Replying To OpenStandWall: "If I had to call the QFs, Anne's beat Rapps Shels beat Crossabeg Harriers beat Gorey ( Believe one of the Doyles is injured for Gorey and McGuckian is out for a while also) Martins beat Ferns" Best chance of an upset is Crossabeg beat Shels. 2nd best chance is Ferns beat the Martins. Can't see Harriers beating Gorey tbh. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 17:19:50 2571497 Link
a curious point about the format and whatnot, but all 6 teams in one of the intermediate groups have qualified for the quarter finals, none of the other group had a win in 4 knockout games played this weekend. I know some will say that if you get no wins, you dont deserve to be through to the quarters, but at the same time, you could argue that sometimes groups are much harder than the other. So although Horeswood and Tara Rocks finished 5th and 6th (and Horsewood only by scoring difference too), had they been drawn in the other group, there is an argument that they would have finished higher and the cross group playoffs show that they were a level ahead of the teams the 4 of them defeated. Just to be a devils advocate on the discussion! james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 23/09/2024 18:13:26 2571506 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Just on that would a ref be able to decline a match or get swapped to another match if he wanted?" I dont no im sure could request anyway, the player in question to be fair put in what i thought was a good fair tackle but ref gave a free, im not sure if he said something to get a red then cause the tackle was a soft free at best and not even a yellow lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 221 - 23/09/2024 18:32:43 2571509 Link
Replying To lefty: "I dont no im sure could request anyway, the player in question to be fair put in what i thought was a good fair tackle but ref gave a free, im not sure if he said something to get a red then cause the tackle was a soft free at best and not even a yellow" There's previous between the 2 of them. Doesn't excuse a ref being abused/threatened though. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 22:14:10 2571529 Link
Replying To james2011: "a curious point about the format and whatnot, but all 6 teams in one of the intermediate groups have qualified for the quarter finals, none of the other group had a win in 4 knockout games played this weekend. I know some will say that if you get no wins, you dont deserve to be through to the quarters, but at the same time, you could argue that sometimes groups are much harder than the other. So although Horeswood and Tara Rocks finished 5th and 6th (and Horsewood only by scoring difference too), had they been drawn in the other group, there is an argument that they would have finished higher and the cross group playoffs show that they were a level ahead of the teams the 4 of them defeated. Just to be a devils advocate on the discussion!" The groups were decided on last years results/placings, which were played under a split season format, and in some cases with wildly different sets of players. I know Blackwater and Taghmon were down a number of players travelling, while on balance of play the Rocks were very lucky to beat Gusserane, they had their keeper to thank for some world class saves. It could also be argued Fethard underperformed in their group games. Maybe wait until the semis before making a final call on that one? Could be 2 teams from each group make the semis? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 23/09/2024 22:18:55 2571531 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Best go back to straight knockout so;-)" Something tells me you're not being serious :) And I don't think there's any appetite for just a straight knock-out. But it's actually a point I've heard made over the past few days - If points earned during the group stage, and finishing positions in the group, end up meaning so little as regards who actually makes the quarter-finals, then why bother with a group stage at all? Just continue to seed four teams per grade in the same way as always, and do an open draw for the other eight to decide who plays who in preliminary quarter-finals. Would probably only take 15 or 20 minutes some evening, instead of taking 150 matches over five rounds of "championship" group games. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 24/09/2024 09:53:10 2571556 Link
Replying To Viking66: "The groups were decided on last years results/placings, which were played under a split season format, and in some cases with wildly different sets of players. I know Blackwater and Taghmon were down a number of players travelling, while on balance of play the Rocks were very lucky to beat Gusserane, they had their keeper to thank for some world class saves. It could also be argued Fethard underperformed in their group games. Maybe wait until the semis before making a final call on that one? Could be 2 teams from each group make the semis?" Who do we fancy in the intermediate quarters? Rathnure v Tara Rocks you would have to fancy Rathnure although it could be closer than people think. 5 weeks is a long time without a competitive game. Askamore v Buffers Alley- Think this has the makings of a great high scoring game. Fancy the Alley to nick it . Bunclody v Fethard- Tough one to call. I think Fethard are playing themselves into form may just pull through St James V Horeswood- Local derby here. Horeswood have been impressive the last 2 games. The Jimmies big physical side id expect them to pull through here and get a step closer to getting back to the county final Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 370 - 24/09/2024 10:35:28 2571568 Link