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Replying To Oldtourman:  "In Fairness Ryan you had 17 out of 18 years there a while back when Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp won the All Ireland and nobody got too pushed about it"
19 years since Cork won all Ireland and 11 for Clare. Both counties are hungry, and sets up for a royal battle.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 09:49:35    2558332

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Ryan, that is what experienced players. It is a game after all."
Absolutely! Cork have an Oscar but have to hand it to Byrnes.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 10:32:10    2558340

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "And interrupts flow of game. Should only be pulled up where blatantly obvious."
I disagree Barney.I know what you re saying but a foul is a foul.Either let players throw the sluotar or else enforce the rules.The majority of the passes are throws.Its like the football where steps are becoming a joke.Again either allow 6 or 7 steps to speed up game or enforce the four step rule.I m all for common sene but there is no skill whatsover in throwing the ball.The reason there are so many attempted passes is because players are guddled together fouling and refs not blowing for frees as they "want to let the game flow".

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 11/07/2024 11:34:48    2558350

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Something needs to be done. It didn't affect result this time, but Connolly's handpass resulting in a disallowed goal, and Ethan Twomey's handpass which potentially had a 2 point swing, could have swung the game. As Mr Forever Young pointed out Cian Lynch, because of his dexterity and sleight of hand gets a free pass ( pardon the pun). Bit like the phantom punch from Cassius Clay ( Ali) against Sonny Liston in 1963, when Sonny proportedly took a dive! Cassius said the punch was so fast, nobody saw it!!"
Soccer fans said the same thing about var and now most of them hate it. You can barely celebrate a goal in that sport for fear of it being chalked off. And the average soccer game has maybe 3 scores.
How many scores are there in an average game of hurling,, 30 /40? Handpasses probably play a part in the build up to most of those scores. It would happen every few minutes.
Can you imagine a scenario where the game is stopped and images replayed every time it looks like a handpass may have been dodgy?
What you are suggesting is literally insane, one of the most ridiculous proposals I have ever come across on this forum (and that's saying something), it would absolutely destroy the game.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 11/07/2024 11:56:50    2558354

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Soccer fans said the same thing about var and now most of them hate it. You can barely celebrate a goal in that sport for fear of it being chalked off. And the average soccer game has maybe 3 scores.
How many scores are there in an average game of hurling,, 30 /40? Handpasses probably play a part in the build up to most of those scores. It would happen every few minutes.
Can you imagine a scenario where the game is stopped and images replayed every time it looks like a handpass may have been dodgy?
What you are suggesting is literally insane, one of the most ridiculous proposals I have ever come across on this forum (and that's saying something), it would absolutely destroy the game."
Then go ahead, embrace mediocrity and allow players throw the ball. Call up a few throws occasionally, and let the game flow. I disagree with John Meyler who says that VAR has destroyed rugby and soccer. Last World Cup rugby was absolutely scintillating and controversial referee decisions taken out of equation. Soccer yesterday wasn't half bad either, and offside rule is correctly applied. Still, each to his own, everyone is entitled to a viewpoint and that's what makes world go round!! Definitely, for a questionable hand pass resulting in a goal, could definitely use VAR. GAA has already taken dodgy umpiring decisions out of the equation.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 12:31:55    2558364

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I disagree Barney.I know what you re saying but a foul is a foul.Either let players throw the sluotar or else enforce the rules.The majority of the passes are throws.Its like the football where steps are becoming a joke.Again either allow 6 or 7 steps to speed up game or enforce the four step rule.I m all for common sene but there is no skill whatsover in throwing the ball.The reason there are so many attempted passes is because players are guddled together fouling and refs not blowing for frees as they "want to let the game flow"."
But Ciarraí the game wouldnt stop every time a player threw the ball, it would stop every time a player threw the ball, AND every time it looked like a player MIGHT have thrown the ball.
I'm not aware of the stats re handpasses but I'd imagine about 75% of hurling scores would end up having to be checked.
Jesus wept it would kill the game as a spectacle. It'd end up like American football.

Look on the brightside though, there'd be 30+ 90 second long stoppages in every game. Think of advertising opportunities there for the GAA eh?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 11/07/2024 12:34:18    2558365

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Best of luck to Johnny Murphy who has been chosen to referee the All Ireland Hurling Final, between Cork and Clare.

Hopefully he lets the game flow.

Really looking forward to it. Should be a cracker.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3983 - 11/07/2024 13:23:49    2558374

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I disagree Barney.I know what you re saying but a foul is a foul.Either let players throw the sluotar or else enforce the rules.The majority of the passes are throws.Its like the football where steps are becoming a joke.Again either allow 6 or 7 steps to speed up game or enforce the four step rule.I m all for common sene but there is no skill whatsover in throwing the ball.The reason there are so many attempted passes is because players are guddled together fouling and refs not blowing for frees as they "want to let the game flow"."
I agree with you! Anyway, decisions on this will take place at a higher level than on this forum. It will be addressed as it's a hot topic. On another topic, the GAA will be happy to see Cork hurlers back at the top table, as they must have had 50K at headquarters last Sunday. Contrast that to previous day when Clare supporters vastly outnumbered Kilkenny's. For whatever reason, Kilkenny don't travel!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 13:29:11    2558376

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I disagree Barney.I know what you re saying but a foul is a foul.Either let players throw the sluotar or else enforce the rules.The majority of the passes are throws.Its like the football where steps are becoming a joke.Again either allow 6 or 7 steps to speed up game or enforce the four step rule.I m all for common sene but there is no skill whatsover in throwing the ball.The reason there are so many attempted passes is because players are guddled together fouling and refs not blowing for frees as they "want to let the game flow"."
The point is if even the ref cannot distinguish and is making wrong calls why not leave it as it is?

There are lots of gray areas and if each was subject to video oversight we might as well give up. Same in football.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3126 - 11/07/2024 13:32:51    2558378

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Replying To Fionn:  "Best of luck to Johnny Murphy who has been chosen to referee the All Ireland Hurling Final, between Cork and Clare.

Hopefully he lets the game flow.

Really looking forward to it. Should be a cracker."
They'll be insufferable now they've got to final. There'll be flags everywhere, songs about it coming home, thinking they've already got it won etc. But that's enough about Cork people, what about England??

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 14:07:55    2558390

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But Ciarraí the game wouldnt stop every time a player threw the ball, it would stop every time a player threw the ball, AND every time it looked like a player MIGHT have thrown the ball.
I'm not aware of the stats re handpasses but I'd imagine about 75% of hurling scores would end up having to be checked.
Jesus wept it would kill the game as a spectacle. It'd end up like American football.

Look on the brightside though, there'd be 30+ 90 second long stoppages in every game. Think of advertising opportunities there for the GAA eh?"
Don't tell that to the Yanks. They think their football is best ever invented! Getting popular in UK too..

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 14:18:22    2558394

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Then go ahead, embrace mediocrity and allow players throw the ball. Call up a few throws occasionally, and let the game flow. I disagree with John Meyler who says that VAR has destroyed rugby and soccer. Last World Cup rugby was absolutely scintillating and controversial referee decisions taken out of equation. Soccer yesterday wasn't half bad either, and offside rule is correctly applied. Still, each to his own, everyone is entitled to a viewpoint and that's what makes world go round!! Definitely, for a questionable hand pass resulting in a goal, could definitely use VAR. GAA has already taken dodgy umpiring decisions out of the equation."
The rugby World Cup final was meant to be refereed by Wayne Barnes, an honour he richly deserved. Instead it was refereed by the TMO up in the stand, he made frequent interferences that Barnes had been happy to let go including game deciding decisions. It was farcical

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1920 - 11/07/2024 14:26:07    2558398

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Then go ahead, embrace mediocrity and allow players throw the ball. Call up a few throws occasionally, and let the game flow. I disagree with John Meyler who says that VAR has destroyed rugby and soccer. Last World Cup rugby was absolutely scintillating and controversial referee decisions taken out of equation. Soccer yesterday wasn't half bad either, and offside rule is correctly applied. Still, each to his own, everyone is entitled to a viewpoint and that's what makes world go round!! Definitely, for a questionable hand pass resulting in a goal, could definitely use VAR. GAA has already taken dodgy umpiring decisions out of the equation."
The rugby World Cup final was meant to be refereed by Wayne Barnes, an honour he richly deserved. Instead it was refereed by the TMO up in the stand, he made frequent interferences that Barnes had been happy to let go including game deciding decisions. It was farcical

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1920 - 11/07/2024 14:26:15    2558399

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The rugby World Cup final was meant to be refereed by Wayne Barnes, an honour he richly deserved. Instead it was refereed by the TMO up in the stand, he made frequent interferences that Barnes had been happy to let go including game deciding decisions. It was farcical"
I thought it was a great game, and glad that South Africa won it! All blacks silenced! Guess it's all in the perception!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 373 - 11/07/2024 14:32:18    2558401

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But Ciarraí the game wouldnt stop every time a player threw the ball, it would stop every time a player threw the ball, AND every time it looked like a player MIGHT have thrown the ball.
I'm not aware of the stats re handpasses but I'd imagine about 75% of hurling scores would end up having to be checked.
Jesus wept it would kill the game as a spectacle. It'd end up like American football.

Look on the brightside though, there'd be 30+ 90 second long stoppages in every game. Think of advertising opportunities there for the GAA eh?"
Im not asking for var.Im asking that refs implement the rules Galway.I know the ref got a few wrong the last day but alot of refs are turni g a blind eye to most throws.Throwing the ball is a foil.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 11/07/2024 15:58:38    2558413

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The point is if even the ref cannot distinguish and is making wrong calls why not leave it as it is?

There are lots of gray areas and if each was subject to video oversight we might as well give up. Same in football."
Because I believe it will get worse and has done the last few years.Either let them throw it on penalise them.If they dont do something a rule will be brought in to counteract it anyway .

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 11/07/2024 16:01:31    2558415

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "They'll be insufferable now they've got to final. There'll be flags everywhere, songs about it coming home, thinking they've already got it won etc. But that's enough about Cork people, what about England??"
:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 11/07/2024 17:28:23    2558425

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "I thought it was a great game, and glad that South Africa won it! All blacks silenced! Guess it's all in the perception!"
We agree on something. I was glad that SA moved onto 4 titles, leaving the ABs on three. As I now say to my Kiwi friends, "When ye have 4 lads, …!"

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 11/07/2024 17:32:36    2558426

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "I agree with you! Anyway, decisions on this will take place at a higher level than on this forum. It will be addressed as it's a hot topic. On another topic, the GAA will be happy to see Cork hurlers back at the top table, as they must have had 50K at headquarters last Sunday. Contrast that to previous day when Clare supporters vastly outnumbered Kilkenny's. For whatever reason, Kilkenny don't travel!"
Maybe the extent of the crowd last Sunday is not so baffling. The Population of Cork and LIMERICK IS ABOUT 800.000 and that of Clare and Kilkenny is only abouty 250,000

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 11/07/2024 18:52:28    2558437

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