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Yellow card….. and if a player is going straight through on goal then a red card…. If the same play occurred like the one that sparked the whole knee jerk reaction ( McManus going through v Tyrone ) the same thing would probably happen but the team would only loose a player for 10 minutes… Do you not think a straight red for such a transgression would be more likely to cut out cynical fouls….? The black card only makes life more difficult for referees who have enough on their plate….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 12/09/2024 17:13:23 2569600 Link 0 |
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The 2 point proposal is utter nonsense…. Imagine a junior b game somewhere with no scoreboard the amount of confusion as regards scores and the extra pressure on referees to keep score… they are having problems enough with the current system…. I can see all this stuff only making the game worse
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 12/09/2024 17:18:23 2569604 Link 0 |
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I used to agree that the scoring scale should be different too but now I think it's ok. In basketball, the 3v2 means the long shot has to be successful two-thirds of the time to be equal to a 'certain' 2-pointer. The FRC's 2:1 means success of only 50% for the long shot is worth the 1-pointer on average - so risk is more encouraged, which I like. I think I read the FRC were originally considering a 5-pts goal but felt it might tip the scales too much in that the defence would board up - so 4 is ok (I think). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2886 - 12/09/2024 19:21:08 2569619 Link 0 |
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You are some craic so just a yellow card for a cynical foul out the pitch stopping a score for the attacking team. Imagine the amount of tactical fouling going on all over the place if a team is winning with a few minutes left and have lads who are not booked.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 12/09/2024 19:50:00 2569621 Link 0 |
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The black card won't stop those sort of tactical foul late in games….. referees can't handle 2 cards let alone 3….. they hate the black card like everyone else except you it seems
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 12/09/2024 20:06:46 2569624 Link 1 |
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Well, here's one with the "three up" rule.... You're one of the designated three forwards who must be inside the opposition 45m line. You're standing unmarked just inside the line. Midfield area is empty while other 12 on your team are playing as a massed defence. One of them wins the ball, sees you free up the field, and boots the ball towards you. He doesn't hit it hard enough and it rolls along a bit before coming to a halt just one the wrong side of the line as far as you're concerned. Now all you can do is stand there and look at it and wait for somebody else to run and pick up the ball instead. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2619 - 12/09/2024 21:57:08 2569635 Link 0 |
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Of course it will stop them. Imagine a team a few points up with 5 minutes left. You think they will start hauling lads down if they are going to be gone for the remainder of the game. Black card isn't perfect but you are embarrassing yourself here. Clearly don't go to matches or have any involvement in your local club.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 12/09/2024 22:10:31 2569636 Link 2 |
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Why does the goalie have to be restricted? Back to the old days of if you can boot the ball far and your maybe not at peak fitness, sher go into goals there for awhile?? Lot of modern goalies are very good footballers, they shouldn't be restricted from showcasing their talents
D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 217 - 12/09/2024 22:51:40 2569641 Link 0 |
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Could someone chime in, please?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2886 - 13/09/2024 03:54:11 2569649 Link 0 |
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The black card was not introduced because of Cavanagh gate. It was already approved and ready for introduction before Brolly spat his dummy out on TV over something that had been seen a hundred times before. He even referred to it being approved in his rant. It's funny how you consider that a 'knee jerk reaction' when A, it's false, and B, you make knee jerk calls for rule changes every time you see a poor match as if they never existed before.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 13/09/2024 08:21:37 2569656 Link 0 |
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Well at the moment some teams when not in possession have all their players back and then when the attacking team press there are maybe 28 or even 29 players in one half, total congestion. With now at least three players "forward" presumably the team in possession will leave at least 3 (probably 4 or 5) back leaving a max of 23 (probably 21 or 22) players in the "congested" half. It would be unfair if in say the last few minutes a team chasing a goal to save the game could commit all their players forward but the defending team has to leave 3 players looking at each other in the other half, so 3 must stay back. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 793 - 13/09/2024 09:57:28 2569668 Link 0 |
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Makes no difference…. no need for the black card.. Cavanagh should have got a straight red card for that incident and no more about it… now this dummy review committee are going to bring in more fouls that might merit a black card… If some of these nonsensical rule changes are voted in the game will turn into a farce … they have already meddled far too much with the rules and if this lot get their way it will be the final death nail for the game….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 13/09/2024 10:13:00 2569674 Link 0 |
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Because the goalies these days are completely slowing down the pace of the play strolling up the field with the ball, and defenders backpassing to them, and indeed the length of time it takes them to come up and get ready to take a free on goal. Now you might say that is the fault of the attacking team who aren't running up on them and flattening them but this rule would prevent negative delaying tactics. With all due respect to goalkeepers, if they are very good footballers then they should be in midfield or at half back so we can see their footballing skills, goalkeeping is for footballing skills between the posts eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 13/09/2024 11:26:35 2569681 Link 0 |
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But you said it was a knee jerk reaction when it clearly wasn't. You are also on here every day complaining about the state of the game, now your complaining about all the rule changes too. So have you any practical solutions for the game that don't require rule changes? or do you just like to moan for the sake of it?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2501 - 13/09/2024 11:36:42 2569683 Link 0 |
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I see you didn't respond to my post and my specific circumstances during a game.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 13/09/2024 11:46:26 2569685 Link 0 |
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D. Hyde. I think increasing the value of a goal or point, in certain conditions, doesn't make sense to me. The problem is the ultra defensive footbal, played by club and county sides. Goalkeepers primary job is to keep their goal intact, but now they are part of team strategy, in kick outs, free taking, and support play. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 13/09/2024 11:56:57 2569686 Link 0 |
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Exactly. In a junior football game played at a rural venue, with badly defined pitch marking, how do you adjudicatecwherecthe ball was kicked from?
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 13/09/2024 12:00:30 2569687 Link 0 |
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Then possibly what to do they are trialing changes u say want it but what are you alternatives. I can tap and go and 3 players up definitely and 1 on 1 midfield. Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 515 - 13/09/2024 12:05:15 2569688 Link 0 |
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In ideal world wouldn't have changed the rules if managers didn't have mindset and if they were forced to play more attacking but we all know that won't happen with too much ambiguity so it forces people hand to make change and see what works and doesn't
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 515 - 13/09/2024 12:06:19 2569689 Link 0 |
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Ah yes because all the other new rules never work at Junior level . These are such lazy examples and controversies are few and far between. One poster debating the black card as if it's causing issues at club level all the time. It isn't, but then again anyone who is involved at club level would know this.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 13/09/2024 12:08:49 2569691 Link 1 |