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All Ireland medal all day long. I couldn't imagine any players saying they would rather an all star over an all Ireland medal.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11256 - 15/02/2024 07:47:57    2526141

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Replying To yew_tree:  "All Ireland medal all day long. I couldn't imagine any players saying they would rather an all star over an all Ireland medal."
I wish people would read my original post. I never said would you prefer a medal or an All Star. It was a medal or four All Stars.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 769 - 15/02/2024 08:58:01    2526147

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "I wish people would read my original post. I never said would you prefer a medal or an All Star. It was a medal or four All Stars."
A Medal before 10 Allstars.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 15/02/2024 11:04:11    2526165

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "A Medal before 10 Allstars."
Aghh Mick. You normally talk sense but you are losing the run of yourself on this topic.
There are about 30 All Ireland medals handed out every year, but only 15 All Stars. Therefore All Stars are much more exclusive than All Ireland Medals. Not necessarily better.
Sure a guy with one All Ireland medal from the subs bench in Kerry might not be taken seriously at all. However we cherish Enda Smith's recent All Star in Roscommon. Time for some balanced and realistic debate.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 543 - 15/02/2024 12:41:18    2526186

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "I wish people would read my original post. I never said would you prefer a medal or an All Star. It was a medal or four All Stars."
Fair enough but I'd still say the same. Anyway many great players have failed to win an all Ireland (and have multiple all stars) and many forgotten players have won all Irelands. Same goes across all sports. I don't think in a team sport it devalues a great individual player. Although it is used as stick to knock them down with.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11256 - 15/02/2024 13:59:10    2526199

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I'd imagine every player dreaming of a great intercounty career have All-Irelands in mind, particularly those from strong Counties.

I'd say if you offered Horgan a level game against Limerick with 10 mins to go in this year's All-Ireland final in exchange for his all stars he'd gladly swap

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1429 - 15/02/2024 21:33:36    2526281

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Aghh Mick. You normally talk sense but you are losing the run of yourself on this topic.
There are about 30 All Ireland medals handed out every year, but only 15 All Stars. Therefore All Stars are much more exclusive than All Ireland Medals. Not necessarily better.
Sure a guy with one All Ireland medal from the subs bench in Kerry might not be taken seriously at all. However we cherish Enda Smith's recent All Star in Roscommon. Time for some balanced and realistic debate."
You win a football match but you do not win an All Star as it is given out and indeed there have been some very strange ones in last few years. Year gone by an all star was given to the Dublin goalkeeper when the birds in the bushes knew that the Monaghan goal keeper was streets ahead. And it is a poor county that does not have at least one good player.
Most players play the game because the enjoy doing so and the want to win, but could not care less about medals.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 16/02/2024 11:44:40    2526328

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I personally think the way all stars are chosen are completely wrong, if you win an all Ireland your prize is an all Ireland! Only a few should get all stars from the champions I hate that the 2 teams in a final make up 3/4 a team if not more. For me seeing the likes of enda Smith get one was great more quarter finalist should get some, like no disrespect to cluxton but he didn't bother to show up in the league then turns up for the Leinster championship which is a cake walk for Dublin. He should never get one over beggan imo, then the year before Brendan Rogers was poty contender and 1 bad half and he has no all star. For me no more than 1 3rd should be from finalists like Monaghan should of had another one in beggan Armagh should of had one in murnin, mayo and cork should of maybe had one also,

Liftball (Armagh) - Posts: 12 - 16/02/2024 12:45:32    2526337

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Aghh Mick. You normally talk sense but you are losing the run of yourself on this topic.
There are about 30 All Ireland medals handed out every year, but only 15 All Stars. Therefore All Stars are much more exclusive than All Ireland Medals. Not necessarily better.
Sure a guy with one All Ireland medal from the subs bench in Kerry might not be taken seriously at all. However we cherish Enda Smith's recent All Star in Roscommon. Time for some balanced and realistic debate."
Its a personal choice and its all about opinions but if I was a player an All Ireland medal to me would mean more than any amount of All stars.Now of course It can be harder sometimes to get an All star.Of course there are players who have All Ireland medals that might not ever win or deserve an All star and ate just lucky to be part of sucessful teams.Howevwr my choice is an All Ireland medal before everything.Of course you were delighted with Enda s Smiths All star and well deserved too.Enda is a class player and would walk onto the Dublin or Kerry team.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 16/02/2024 12:58:24    2526341

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Replying To Liftball:  "I personally think the way all stars are chosen are completely wrong, if you win an all Ireland your prize is an all Ireland! Only a few should get all stars from the champions I hate that the 2 teams in a final make up 3/4 a team if not more. For me seeing the likes of enda Smith get one was great more quarter finalist should get some, like no disrespect to cluxton but he didn't bother to show up in the league then turns up for the Leinster championship which is a cake walk for Dublin. He should never get one over beggan imo, then the year before Brendan Rogers was poty contender and 1 bad half and he has no all star. For me no more than 1 3rd should be from finalists like Monaghan should of had another one in beggan Armagh should of had one in murnin, mayo and cork should of maybe had one also,"
I agree - All-Star teams being dominated by the All-Ireland finalists is completely wrong, and has been for years. The best teams contest the All-Ireland finals but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the best players. Enda Smith's well-deserved award last year has been highlighted because it was a departure from the normal trend. The original All-Stars in 1971 were much fairer. Just four players from each of the four finalists - Tipperary and Kilkenny (hurling), and Offaly and Galway (football) got awards. Thus, the selectors were able to honour great players from counties not successful at the time, such as Damien Martin and John Connolly in hurling and Michael Kearns and Pat Reynolds in football. Sadly, that trend wasn't continued, and some really outstanding players have missed out on All-Stars as a result. Personally, I believe John Galvin of Limerick was one of the best footballers I have seen, and it was a great injustice that he was never recognised by the selectors. I'm sure there are several other great players in both codes who missed out.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 555 - 16/02/2024 17:48:16    2526394

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Replying To midlands:  "I agree - All-Star teams being dominated by the All-Ireland finalists is completely wrong, and has been for years. The best teams contest the All-Ireland finals but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly on the best players. Enda Smith's well-deserved award last year has been highlighted because it was a departure from the normal trend. The original All-Stars in 1971 were much fairer. Just four players from each of the four finalists - Tipperary and Kilkenny (hurling), and Offaly and Galway (football) got awards. Thus, the selectors were able to honour great players from counties not successful at the time, such as Damien Martin and John Connolly in hurling and Michael Kearns and Pat Reynolds in football. Sadly, that trend wasn't continued, and some really outstanding players have missed out on All-Stars as a result. Personally, I believe John Galvin of Limerick was one of the best footballers I have seen, and it was a great injustice that he was never recognised by the selectors. I'm sure there are several other great players in both codes who missed out."
That is because the early all stars were done properly and the were picked over the year (league and championship).Nowadays its mainly just championship.The correct way is over a year or else have seperate all stars for league and championship.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 16/02/2024 23:45:27    2526428

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "That is because the early all stars were done properly and the were picked over the year (league and championship).Nowadays its mainly just championship.The correct way is over a year or else have seperate all stars for league and championship."
True, Mick, but they're not even picking them from the championship now - just the finals and semi-finals, which usually means that players from 28 counties aren't even considered.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 555 - 17/02/2024 11:19:26    2526453

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Replying To midlands:  "True, Mick, but they're not even picking them from the championship now - just the finals and semi-finals, which usually means that players from 28 counties aren't even considered."
Yeah you are probably correct there Midlands.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 18/02/2024 09:37:22    2526603

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