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Wexford Club Hurling Championships 2023

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Replying To Formertownie:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "In response to your two posts:

Club minor championships not starting until after the inter-county sides are finished is no different to adult club championships not starting until after the senior inter-county sides are finished. Not so much a case of voting for it - more a case of that's just how it is.

On other underage championships - yes, there's a gap of two to three weeks in U14 and U16, between the end of the group stage and the start of the knock-outs. And yes, this does allow for preparation of the county sides for tournaments like the ones held on the weekend just gone by. But on the other hand, it also constitutes exactly the sort of break for players that you're actually calling for in your other posts.

So, it seems that you first complain that adult players don't get a break during July or August for a holiday etc., but then you also complain that underage players do get a break?

Anyway, there's been so many posts on here from different people about proposed alternative calendars and competition structures, that I genuinely forget if you've ever posted one, to have some possible solutions rather than just criticisms. If you have, maybe you'd post the jist of it again? Or if you haven't, maybe you'd let us know what you think the answers are?

Thanks."
Go to page 47 on this thread sure read my post and then ridicule or put ur spin on it donr really mayter to me tbh what you think as from what i read its a waste of time until it ll be too late . Just because I don't post as often does nt mean I don't understand I spend to many nights and weekends helping to be on here constantly. . Grass roots"
Ah, you were the one who suggested putting league winners rather than championship winners into provincial competition - something that simply isn't allowed.

Also a system where finishing positions in a league where you'd play some matches without your county players would determine your starting position in the championship itself - something that's unlikely to ever find favour amongst clubs with inter-county players.

If you want to see these observations as "ridicule" rather than valid points, that's up to yourself.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/08/2023 16:06:31    2502883

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Yes, its like whack-a-mole. Fix one, break another.
But I think if everybody would give a little, it would help everybody.
I think the GAA needs to figure out what it is about. Is it all about the elite, or is it about playing numbers, participation, and keeping the club ethos alive across the country?
The 2 can co - exist, but only if the inter county game gives the club game room to breathe and have designated club weeks.
Else, clubs would be best off playing without the inter county players and getting compensated for not having them."
Well at the minute one of the things being considered by Hq CCCC is to start the National Leagues a week earlier.

This means that the club finals will finish a week earlier which in all probability means that provincial club championships will be starting even earlier than they currently are!

So it literally means there's probably a week less for the likes of Wexford to run our championships than their currently is which is already not fit for purpose.

Something has to give I feel.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1427 - 30/08/2023 09:03:20    2502929

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Replying To tearintom:  "Well at the minute one of the things being considered by Hq CCCC is to start the National Leagues a week earlier.

This means that the club finals will finish a week earlier which in all probability means that provincial club championships will be starting even earlier than they currently are!

So it literally means there's probably a week less for the likes of Wexford to run our championships than their currently is which is already not fit for purpose.

Something has to give I feel."
Whole calendar needs a root and branch review. Its ridiculous, I know lads who won county medals who are minding their bodies for Leinster championships because they are spent after the hurling.
The club championship needs to be built in with the inter county game and the GAA need to realise this. A whistle-stop 6-7 week hurling championship was grand when it was the best option, and it gave a proper calendar to us.
Now, the problems are becoming clear, and exacerbated in dual counties.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 05/09/2023 10:06:55    2503108

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "
Replying To Formertownie:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "In response to your two posts:

Club minor championships not starting until after the inter-county sides are finished is no different to adult club championships not starting until after the senior inter-county sides are finished. Not so much a case of voting for it - more a case of that's just how it is.

On other underage championships - yes, there's a gap of two to three weeks in U14 and U16, between the end of the group stage and the start of the knock-outs. And yes, this does allow for preparation of the county sides for tournaments like the ones held on the weekend just gone by. But on the other hand, it also constitutes exactly the sort of break for players that you're actually calling for in your other posts.

So, it seems that you first complain that adult players don't get a break during July or August for a holiday etc., but then you also complain that underage players do get a break?

Anyway, there's been so many posts on here from different people about proposed alternative calendars and competition structures, that I genuinely forget if you've ever posted one, to have some possible solutions rather than just criticisms. If you have, maybe you'd post the jist of it again? Or if you haven't, maybe you'd let us know what you think the answers are?

Thanks."
Go to page 47 on this thread sure read my post and then ridicule or put ur spin on it donr really mayter to me tbh what you think as from what i read its a waste of time until it ll be too late . Just because I don't post as often does nt mean I don't understand I spend to many nights and weekends helping to be on here constantly. . Grass roots"
Ah, you were the one who suggested putting league winners rather than championship winners into provincial competition - something that simply isn't allowed.

Also a system where finishing positions in a league where you'd play some matches without your county players would determine your starting position in the championship itself - something that's unlikely to ever find favour amongst clubs with inter-county players.

If you want to see these observations as "ridicule" rather than valid points, that's up to yourself."]Is the all ireland football series not tied to the national league if there's a will there a way .
And now we have central council debating an extra week fir inter County. Clubs might decide on format but we are manipulated into their way of thinking and And given what they belive is adequate to get championship done no matter how much its condensed.. u17 incentives to county boards to change and it was a disaster . Money talks if we dint go through way we are guided we are held to ransom with funding.
My only concern was giving club players a decent chance more meaningful games . Reduce championship games. Ther may be a way of formatting it to be fair to all teams once teams with multiple intercounty players not just hurling but football inc u20s . Still not fair on club players to be honest meaningless league games and condensed championship
How will we get sll games foe becmxt year surely the Fleadh will impact on fixtures in the county . Will be a logistical nightmare if games go ahead .
Midweek games I assume to make up difference .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 05/09/2023 13:56:53    2503145

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Replying To Formertownie:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "[quote=Formertownie:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "In response to your two posts:

Club minor championships not starting until after the inter-county sides are finished is no different to adult club championships not starting until after the senior inter-county sides are finished. Not so much a case of voting for it - more a case of that's just how it is.

On other underage championships - yes, there's a gap of two to three weeks in U14 and U16, between the end of the group stage and the start of the knock-outs. And yes, this does allow for preparation of the county sides for tournaments like the ones held on the weekend just gone by. But on the other hand, it also constitutes exactly the sort of break for players that you're actually calling for in your other posts.

So, it seems that you first complain that adult players don't get a break during July or August for a holiday etc., but then you also complain that underage players do get a break?

Anyway, there's been so many posts on here from different people about proposed alternative calendars and competition structures, that I genuinely forget if you've ever posted one, to have some possible solutions rather than just criticisms. If you have, maybe you'd post the jist of it again? Or if you haven't, maybe you'd let us know what you think the answers are?

Thanks."
Go to page 47 on this thread sure read my post and then ridicule or put ur spin on it donr really mayter to me tbh what you think as from what i read its a waste of time until it ll be too late . Just because I don't post as often does nt mean I don't understand I spend to many nights and weekends helping to be on here constantly. . Grass roots"
Ah, you were the one who suggested putting league winners rather than championship winners into provincial competition - something that simply isn't allowed.

Also a system where finishing positions in a league where you'd play some matches without your county players would determine your starting position in the championship itself - something that's unlikely to ever find favour amongst clubs with inter-county players.

If you want to see these observations as "ridicule" rather than valid points, that's up to yourself."]Is the all ireland football series not tied to the national league if there's a will there a way .
And now we have central council debating an extra week fir inter County. Clubs might decide on format but we are manipulated into their way of thinking and And given what they belive is adequate to get championship done no matter how much its condensed.. u17 incentives to county boards to change and it was a disaster . Money talks if we dint go through way we are guided we are held to ransom with funding.
My only concern was giving club players a decent chance more meaningful games . Reduce championship games. Ther may be a way of formatting it to be fair to all teams once teams with multiple intercounty players not just hurling but football inc u20s . Still not fair on club players to be honest meaningless league games and condensed championship
How will we get sll games foe becmxt year surely the Fleadh will impact on fixtures in the county . Will be a logistical nightmare if games go ahead .
Midweek games I assume to make up difference ."]The fleadh is in Wexford town, not in Enniscorthy, Bunclody, New Ross or Gorey. Full round of games outside of Wexford Park which is great.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 05/09/2023 14:58:11    2503159

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@formertownie - big difference with the National Football League being tied to the All-Ireland Championship is that counties don't have to play the League without several of their key players.

As regards the Fleadh next year - yes, it'll be a challenge. "Simple" solution might appear to be to just not fix any games for Wexford Park that week and spread them around the county instead. But I believe there's a plan to use Pairc Charman as a campsite for the Fleadh, so the clubs there would have difficulty in finding somewhere to train that week. Your guess is as good as mine as regards what will actually happen.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 05/09/2023 15:02:14    2503161

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@formertownie - big difference with the National Football League being tied to the All-Ireland Championship is that counties don't have to play the League without several of their key players.

As regards the Fleadh next year - yes, it'll be a challenge. "Simple" solution might appear to be to just not fix any games for Wexford Park that week and spread them around the county instead. But I believe there's a plan to use Pairc Charman as a campsite for the Fleadh, so the clubs there would have difficulty in finding somewhere to train that week. Your guess is as good as mine as regards what will actually happen."
You are being optimistic there on the Harriers behalf. The Fleadh is on between August 4th and 11th; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 05/09/2023 15:12:45    2503166

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are being optimistic there on the Harriers behalf. The Fleadh is on between August 4th and 11th; )"
Lol.

Don't forget though that we may very well end up going with alternate weeks or blocks of hurling & football next year, in which case the group stages of the hurling would still be ongoing, so "even" the Harriers would be involved. :)

And on a more serious note, would also impact on the football clubs there much more than if the football wasn't starting until end of August.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 05/09/2023 15:43:56    2503179

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Lol.

Don't forget though that we may very well end up going with alternate weeks or blocks of hurling & football next year, in which case the group stages of the hurling would still be ongoing, so "even" the Harriers would be involved. :)

And on a more serious note, would also impact on the football clubs there much more than if the football wasn't starting until end of August."
Ahah another reason to keep with what we have; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 05/09/2023 17:50:20    2503203

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Lol.

Don't forget though that we may very well end up going with alternate weeks or blocks of hurling & football next year, in which case the group stages of the hurling would still be ongoing, so "even" the Harriers would be involved. :)

And on a more serious note, would also impact on the football clubs there much more than if the football wasn't starting until end of August."
I think you are still missing my point . Central council cooked park whoever will determine how we stucture our championship to the detrement of every club player not involved with county .
If we did lessen the lenght of our championships. Giving breaks within the system to players and every county did the same how long would lt take before croke Park extended the intercounty season as club scene were nt using allocated time to the full .
I still believe a structured league whee its tied to championship would possibly give the club player something worth playing in. Instead of this years glorified practice matches.
What that structure would be I will try come up with something thst might work. If it can work fur imtercounty it could work for club too .
National league is a blooding ground for players as well u know . And each team still has a chance to play all ireland series depending on progress in their provincials . The same the system I put forward don't just focus on club provincials . . All teams csn still won the cchampionshp regardless of league position. .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 05/09/2023 21:22:54    2503217

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Great to see Cushinstown getting to Div 1 county final in u16 and Ballynastragh Gaels (Kilanerin, Tara Rocks) very competitive vs Oulart in the other semi final.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 11/09/2023 18:02:12    2503876

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Following on that noticeable looking at the different under age groups that Oulart seem to be getting there ship in order again.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 11/09/2023 18:06:45    2503877

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Following on that noticeable looking at the different under age groups that Oulart seem to be getting there ship in order again."
Oulart and Oylegate are both competing well against the clubs with bigger numbers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 11/09/2023 21:59:20    2503902

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Replying To Viking66:  "Oulart and Oylegate are both competing well against the clubs with bigger numbers."
Oulart and Oylegate would both have large numbers. Oulart and The Ballagh are massive areas.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 444 - 15/09/2023 15:52:14    2504376

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Oulart and Oylegate would both have large numbers. Oulart and The Ballagh are massive areas."
They wouldn't have the numbers that Martins, Gorey, Shels, Barntown etc. have. Think the population of Oulart and the Ballagh wouldn't be anything like that of the town and edge of town clubs.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 16/09/2023 06:25:00    2504402

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Going to be a really tough Leinster opener for Gorey against KK of Offaly. Hope their lads win in the Intermediate football has them buzzing and in great physical shape! Good luck to them hope they get the win!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 15/10/2023 18:37:03    2508502

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Replying To Viking66:  "Going to be a really tough Leinster opener for Gorey against KK of Offaly. Hope their lads win in the Intermediate football has them buzzing and in great physical shape! Good luck to them hope they get the win!"
Penalised in for Saturday November 11th in the park at 7.15 and on RTE.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 15/10/2023 23:41:35    2508559

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Replying To Viking66:  "They wouldn't have the numbers that Martins, Gorey, Shels, Barntown etc. have. Think the population of Oulart and the Ballagh wouldn't be anything like that of the town and edge of town clubs."
Population of an area is one thing but population that actually plays hurling is another thing.

Oulart consistently have 3 Adult hurling teams and they have huge panels on their underage squads, I think I counted 26 kids on their under 14 panel.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 804 - 16/10/2023 12:44:33    2508622

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Replying To Viking66:  "Going to be a really tough Leinster opener for Gorey against KK of Offaly. Hope their lads win in the Intermediate football has them buzzing and in great physical shape! Good luck to them hope they get the win!"
I hear they're unlikely to have an extended run in the Leinster Intermediate Football Championship to get in the way of preparations for the Senior Hurling anyway. They're down to play Rathkenny of Meath in Navan on Saturday, but one of their players is having his stag weekend in Liverpool, and there are seven or eight others due to go on it as well.

Don't know if the likes of Paddy Power have that info or if any of them are offering odds on the match, but if anybody here is the sort who likes a bet, then they might like to get some money down quickly!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 16/10/2023 14:23:47    2508657

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Great to see Cushinstown getting to Div 1 county final in u16 and Ballynastragh Gaels (Kilanerin, Tara Rocks) very competitive vs Oulart in the other semi final."
Ya, great to see clubs coming from outside the traditional clubs. Need these clubs (as well as the traditionally successful ones) the more clubs we've competing the better for Wexford hurling. The final between Oulart and Cushinstown was a real battle and a controversial finish to it with Oulart winning goal in 6th minute of added time. Thought both teams were very well coached but let down by some amateurish organization by county board. It was a premier final and wasn't given the respect of one. Scoreboard there but not used, not enough officials, game should've been played in Bellefield, Wexford Park etc...even smaller things like no anthem or the trophy presentation being a bit haphazard. Didn't Create any occasion for it, county finals are hard get to and no guarantees of getting to another one. Just looked poor, especially since these are the lads who'll be playing with Wexford minors next year and hopefully senior down the line and felt they didn't get the respect from organizers in how disorganized it looked and not creating a bit of occasion about it. Might seem like small things but it wouldn't happen in Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway, Limerick, Cork etc for a premier underage final. Just seemed very amateurish, but the fare on the pitch was anything from, two super teams. Need to expect more from lads running these things. It's not a lot to change those things but creates a better mentality and feel about hurling. Maybe I'm overstating it but I've seen it a bit with Wexford competitions down the last few years. Set our standards higher here. It all feeds in to it. But was a good game between two good teams doing a lot right at underage

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 277 - 16/10/2023 14:54:42    2508664

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