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Are you still going on about this? Crokes were at fault and got away with it, neither Glen nor Joe Brolly have nothing to apologise for , unlike some.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 09/02/2023 18:26:36 2457536 Link 7 |
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There is one thing for sure and it's that the match officials or the GAA will give Glen no apology… Not sure Kilmacud need to offer an apology but the whole thing was shamefully handled by the GAA… Not a peep either from the GAA's great President through the whole mess…?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3816 - 09/02/2023 18:38:00 2457539 Link 1 |
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There is one thing for sure and it's that the match officials or the GAA will give Glen no apology… Not sure Kilmacud need to offer an apology but the whole thing was shamefully handled by the GAA… Not a peep either from the GAA's great President through the whole mess…?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3816 - 09/02/2023 18:47:26 2457542 Link 1 |
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So you can have 16 men on the pitch and it's not your fault?!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 09/02/2023 19:40:03 2457546 Link 5 |
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Yes, is that such a difficult concept to embrace?
TheGreatRambo (Monaghan) - Posts: 82 - 10/02/2023 09:32:26 2457572 Link 0 |
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not sure why or how this is so difficult to comprehend?? a team are allowed make a substitution during a break in play, and so long as they follow the protocols its over to the match officials to make sure the sub is completed before restarting the play. going by the few seconds they took, they clearly didn't allow for the sub to being completed. these things happen in the heat of the moment Kingcon (Dublin) - Posts: 14 - 10/02/2023 09:44:31 2457576 Link 0 |
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Yes, is that such a difficult concept to embrace?"]Very hard to be honest: D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 10/02/2023 09:51:08 2457582 Link 0 |
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Yes of course. The CCCC made it clear that Crokes were not at fault. Clearly after submissions from both teams and officials they concluded that the 45 was taken while Crokes were in the middle of making a substitution. Peoples dislike of Dublin & the Shane Walsh transfer fuelled this whole mess. Crokes have been officially cleared of any wrongdoing now. Congrats to them, the club is an oasis of gaelic games in a very rugby dominated area of Dublin. Very worthy All Ireland champions.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 10/02/2023 10:11:24 2457590 Link 0 |
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Yes of course. The CCCC made it clear that Crokes were not at fault. Clearly after submissions from both teams and officials they concluded that the 45 was taken while Crokes were in the middle of making a substitution. Peoples dislike of Dublin & the Shane Walsh transfer fuelled this whole mess. Crokes have been officially cleared of any wrongdoing now. Congrats to them, the club is an oasis of gaelic games in a very rugby dominated area of Dublin. Very worthy All Ireland champions."]I have great admiration for the work Crokes have been doing for decades but, while I would agree that "it was not a deliberate action" on their part, they have to accept some of the blame for what happened. It was a serious breach of the rules to send on a sub without making sure the replaced player was off the pitch, or at the very least making his way off the pitch. All the blame should not rest with the match officials. I have acted as a club secretary for more than ten years and we have never allowed anything like this to happen, even at a humble Junior B game. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of club secretaries can say the same. It's really a very fundamental principle - if you want to introduce a sub you have to take another player off.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 603 - 10/02/2023 10:38:20 2457598 Link 0 |
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Yes, is that such a difficult concept to embrace?"]Very hard to be honest: D"]Why is it difficult? There is an established protocol for substitutions that Kilmacud seem to have followed everything else is just noise and people mistaking their own personal opinions for fact.
TheGreatRambo (Monaghan) - Posts: 82 - 10/02/2023 10:42:44 2457599 Link 1 |
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Ref fecked up. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2292 - 10/02/2023 10:52:17 2457603 Link 1 |
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Yes of course. The CCCC made it clear that Crokes were not at fault. Clearly after submissions from both teams and officials they concluded that the 45 was taken while Crokes were in the middle of making a substitution. Peoples dislike of Dublin & the Shane Walsh transfer fuelled this whole mess. Crokes have been officially cleared of any wrongdoing now. Congrats to them, the club is an oasis of gaelic games in a very rugby dominated area of Dublin. Very worthy All Ireland champions."]I have great admiration for the work Crokes have been doing for decades but, while I would agree that "it was not a deliberate action" on their part, they have to accept some of the blame for what happened. It was a serious breach of the rules to send on a sub without making sure the replaced player was off the pitch, or at the very least making his way off the pitch. All the blame should not rest with the match officials. I have acted as a club secretary for more than ten years and we have never allowed anything like this to happen, even at a humble Junior B game. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of club secretaries can say the same. It's really a very fundamental principle - if you want to introduce a sub you have to take another player off."]the rules also allow you to make a substitution during a break in play. if the officials restart the game before that process is finished, that's their error.
Kingcon (Dublin) - Posts: 14 - 10/02/2023 10:55:03 2457605 Link 2 |
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Yes of course. The CCCC made it clear that Crokes were not at fault. Clearly after submissions from both teams and officials they concluded that the 45 was taken while Crokes were in the middle of making a substitution. Peoples dislike of Dublin & the Shane Walsh transfer fuelled this whole mess. Crokes have been officially cleared of any wrongdoing now. Congrats to them, the club is an oasis of gaelic games in a very rugby dominated area of Dublin. Very worthy All Ireland champions."]I have great admiration for the work Crokes have been doing for decades but, while I would agree that "it was not a deliberate action" on their part, they have to accept some of the blame for what happened. It was a serious breach of the rules to send on a sub without making sure the replaced player was off the pitch, or at the very least making his way off the pitch. All the blame should not rest with the match officials. I have acted as a club secretary for more than ten years and we have never allowed anything like this to happen, even at a humble Junior B game. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of club secretaries can say the same. It's really a very fundamental principle - if you want to introduce a sub you have to take another player off."]the rules also allow you to make a substitution during a break in play. if the officials restart the game before that process is finished, that's their error."]Let's all adapt the GAA mantra.... nothing to see here, move on we'll just sweep the whole thing under the carpet. The next lad who gets done post match for video footage for transgressions the referee missed can reference this case as ah sure it's only a small rule....great how the GAA are more than happy to enforce some of their own rules and blindly ignore others. This was a national final broadcast live where rules were clearly broken, but sure it's okay, they didn't mean it.....
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1054 - 10/02/2023 11:24:37 2457611 Link 2 |
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Yes, is that such a difficult concept to embrace?"]Very hard to be honest: D"]Why is it difficult? There is an established protocol for substitutions that Kilmacud seem to have followed everything else is just noise and people mistaking their own personal opinions for fact."]Isn't the established protocol that you have to remove a player when you are adding one? Otherwise it's not a replacement rather an addition!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15675 - 10/02/2023 14:51:24 2457687 Link 1 |
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It seems the referee will be required to count the number of players throughout the match from now on. This judgement in relation to this incident does send out the signal that a team can have 16 players on the field and it is not their fault. I have nothing against Crokes or Glen. However, I think the GAA have set a dangerous precedent with how this whole debacle has been handled and the outcome reached. It suggest a team who break a rule: should ask for forgiveness rather than ask for permission. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2096 - 10/02/2023 16:43:03 2457720 Link 1 |
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It was an error on behalf of the match officials ( like the players they are human and go out to do the job as best as they can) Jack L (None) - Posts: 3149 - 10/02/2023 18:51:20 2457736 Link 1 |
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Another officially created mess in the camogie Ashbourne Cup. Seems that University of Limerick were given the wrong information on score differences, so they are out despite a huge win that they thought had wiped out the deficit. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3510 - 10/02/2023 20:22:37 2457745 Link 0 |
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This is a complete cop-out by the CCCC. Had it been a deliberate act by the Kilmacud management team to have 16 men on the field to defend the last '45' then they should have forfeited the game. The No 14 of Kilmacud should have left the field but instead became the 4th Kilmacud player on the goal line thereby making it much more difficult to score a goal, as well as being the 16th man on the field. It appears that the CCCC now finds this to be 'no fault' of Kilmacud so why order a replay in the first instance, doesn't add up. Not true, once Glen got off their case the CCCC became sheep again. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1103 - 10/02/2023 20:59:45 2457752 Link 1 |
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And you from a county whose hurlers had to be dragged kicking and screaming into replaying a game that everyone knew within minutes had ended as a draw :-) Anyone who thinks that the sub mess was a deliberate ploy to have extra men on the field is stretching things. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3510 - 11/02/2023 11:42:53 2457779 Link 1 |
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Simple.. Ref shouldn't have restarted game till the subbed players left the pitch. Surely some of the SEVEN other Officials could have helped him with the substitutions process. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2292 - 11/02/2023 11:53:46 2457782 Link 0 |