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Good to see Dee back in the first 15. He should have been there for the last couple of games.if he was we may not be in the situation we find ourselves in now. I can see Kevin Foley operating as sweeper. Surprising that the backs remain the same considering that they struggled big time against Westmeath but then again i suppose our options are limited looking at the bench.However I think the team is as strong as possible and with a huge Wexford following hopefully it will help the lads to get over the line.
Listened to Martin Breheny on South east radio this morning and he made the point that it served no useful purpose for Wexford to play in the Joe mc Donagh. Would he be saying the same if it was Antrim or Westmeath were relegated? If his theory were to be put in place you would have none of the so called traditional teams dropping down.Fact is if you finish bottom in Leinster then you deserve to go down. How on earth can you have a system where 1 team from the lower tier goes up but no team from the top tier goes down. If that was to happen you would have a different team going up every year. That would lead to weak teams staying up where they would get trashed all the time an also create a huge inbalance in the tiers.
Not too clever Mr Breheny. Maybe you should think it out again.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 453 - 26/05/2023 12:51:32    2481718

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Team named Damien Reck not available . Kevin Foley and Dee start , Dwyer and Dunbar drop out . Interesting to see Carley , Cian Byrne and Conor Foley come into the squad while Ross Banville , David Clarke and Rory Higgins drop out of the 26."
If the team that is named starts certainly a case going with experience, 12 of them started v Clare in Thurles last year, Lawlor, Carty & Kevin Foley in for Reck, Fanning & Paudie Foley the 3 changes.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/05/2023 12:51:43    2481719

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Good to see Dee back in the first 15. He should have been there for the last couple of games.if he was we may not be in the situation we find ourselves in now. I can see Kevin Foley operating as sweeper. Surprising that the backs remain the same considering that they struggled big time against Westmeath but then again i suppose our options are limited looking at the bench.However I think the team is as strong as possible and with a huge Wexford following hopefully it will help the lads to get over the line.
Listened to Martin Breheny on South east radio this morning and he made the point that it served no useful purpose for Wexford to play in the Joe mc Donagh. Would he be saying the same if it was Antrim or Westmeath were relegated? If his theory were to be put in place you would have none of the so called traditional teams dropping down.Fact is if you finish bottom in Leinster then you deserve to go down. How on earth can you have a system where 1 team from the lower tier goes up but no team from the top tier goes down. If that was to happen you would have a different team going up every year. That would lead to weak teams staying up where they would get trashed all the time an also create a huge inbalance in the tiers.
Not too clever Mr Breheny. Maybe you should think it out again."
Will there be a huge Wexford crowd lads? Was looking good early in the week but I see there is still stand tickets available

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/05/2023 13:55:56    2481734

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Team named Damien Reck not available . Kevin Foley and Dee start , Dwyer and Dunbar drop out . Interesting to see Carley , Cian Byrne and Conor Foley come into the squad while Ross Banville , David Clarke and Rory Higgins drop out of the 26."
I think it says little for the squad when 3 U20s are drafted in for the last game (granted Conor Foley has always been there) .. The 3 dropped can be pretty annoyed .. Rory Higgins was a sure thing for decent gametime after good performances in the league but injury against Limerick put him out for first 2 rounds .. There was talks of him starting last weekend against Westmeath and wasn't even brought on .. and now he is dropped off the 26 .. Ross Banville would have to fell hard done by too .. you can see why lads would throw the towel in .. These 3 were good enough to be on the panel all year

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 26/05/2023 14:26:11    2481739

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Good to see Dee back in the first 15. He should have been there for the last couple of games.if he was we may not be in the situation we find ourselves in now. I can see Kevin Foley operating as sweeper. Surprising that the backs remain the same considering that they struggled big time against Westmeath but then again i suppose our options are limited looking at the bench.However I think the team is as strong as possible and with a huge Wexford following hopefully it will help the lads to get over the line.
Listened to Martin Breheny on South east radio this morning and he made the point that it served no useful purpose for Wexford to play in the Joe mc Donagh. Would he be saying the same if it was Antrim or Westmeath were relegated? If his theory were to be put in place you would have none of the so called traditional teams dropping down.Fact is if you finish bottom in Leinster then you deserve to go down. How on earth can you have a system where 1 team from the lower tier goes up but no team from the top tier goes down. If that was to happen you would have a different team going up every year. That would lead to weak teams staying up where they would get trashed all the time an also create a huge inbalance in the tiers.
Not too clever Mr Breheny. Maybe you should think it out again."
"How on earth can you have a system where 1 team from the lower tier goes up but no team from the top tier goes down."

Yes but at the moment this only applies to teams in the Leinster Championship, hardly fair.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 92 - 26/05/2023 14:27:49    2481741

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Replying To wexford2012:  "I think there is scope for poaching to improve for sure. I've had (limited) exposure so coaching office staff but it was overall excellent - hats off to Geraldine Curtis (I think) and James Flynn, both excellent, committed, engaging.

BUT

I would like to see coaches coming into clubs regularly and doing ongoing 'train the tranier' sessions, taking a session with the objective of showcasing skills, developing club coaches over the course of the year.

Improve their talent identification process to idtifiy and develop high potential coaches, bringing them into the development squads, pairing them with more experienced coaches and encouraging them to then to disseminate their knowledge to their club colleagues. At the moment I dont think they have a database of coaches to do this."
There are coaching courses every winter though. They tend to be well attended.
I agree that there could be roving coaches going around the clubs more often but, it all costs money.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 26/05/2023 14:35:26    2481744

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Replying To zinny:  "Viking you are a good man on the stats so correct me here if I have this wrong, in 2019 we were potential AI Champs and we had about 2/3s of that team out against Westmeath the other day. All those players and subs and for that matter anyone on the panel play more hurling for the county team than they ever do for the club but yet the Club Championship is to blame for the problems. Most lads in the U20s are perhaps playing 3rd level hurling then county u20 which for us only just ended so generally that is from Oct to May they ma y also have been playing hurling but the club Championship is the problem. The club championship is what it says on the tin, for the club players which are 90% of the players, its not and should not be designed for county players who play the game at the highest level for 3/4s of the year.
If we are not producing good hurlers the Adult Club Championship has nothing to do with it."
The club championship has everything to do with it.
Even back in the 90s, even in lowly Dublin our training sessions got a lift when the county men came back.
The club game is vital, club players and clubs pushing one and other on raise the standard of the game across a county.
It is a place for a player low on confidence to rebuild it if they are not hurling well, or for other players to put their hand up for the county squad.
What have the Wexford subs gained by playing no games for club or county this year? Nothing.
Remember when Wally Walsh was brought in to the starting 15 or John Hoyne for All-Ireland finals, they were brought in on the back of club performances.
A club scene with a bit of life to it raises the standard in the county. At the moment in Wexford, the club scene at adult level is dead.
I don't have a solution but a championship where 1/10th of the year is club hurling, 1/10th is club football and the rest is whatever cannot be in the interest of Wexford hurling.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 26/05/2023 14:43:07    2481748

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Replying To Onfor15:  "With everyone fit and available, picking the best possible Wexford senior hurling team would include Damien Reck and Rory O'Connor as the only players aged 25. There is no one younger than this in our best 15. All of the rest of the players mentioned in 25 or below are bit part players at best."
If those lads had been in the squad since they came out of u21/0 maybe some might be more than bit part players now though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 26/05/2023 14:46:01    2481749

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Will there be a huge Wexford crowd lads? Was looking good early in the week but I see there is still stand tickets available"
A good few lads I know have bought tickets for the open side with the weather forecast. The stand was actually cold enough last Sunday

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 26/05/2023 14:47:42    2481750

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "I think it says little for the squad when 3 U20s are drafted in for the last game (granted Conor Foley has always been there) .. The 3 dropped can be pretty annoyed .. Rory Higgins was a sure thing for decent gametime after good performances in the league but injury against Limerick put him out for first 2 rounds .. There was talks of him starting last weekend against Westmeath and wasn't even brought on .. and now he is dropped off the 26 .. Ross Banville would have to fell hard done by too .. you can see why lads would throw the towel in .. These 3 were good enough to be on the panel all year"
I thought Higgins showed improvement over the year. Banville not so sure. Clarke didn't look dreadful but didn't shine either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 26/05/2023 14:49:46    2481751

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "There are coaching courses every winter though. They tend to be well attended.
I agree that there could be roving coaches going around the clubs more often but, it all costs money."
There's also regular sessions of different types on offer in Wexford Park, usually on midweek evenings, where clubs go to them rather than they going to clubs. Suppose that way they hit several clubs in just one evening, instead of it taking several evenings to do the same if it was the other way round.

Not in any way claiming that the system is perfect, but just pointing out that there are lots of "train the trainer" type of sessions available to those who want to them.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 26/05/2023 15:28:56    2481764

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Will there be a huge Wexford crowd lads? Was looking good early in the week but I see there is still stand tickets available"
Midweek there was only 500 stand tickets left. So it's reasonable to assume that the stand will be full to capacity and the open side should be close to full if not full. Looks like a crowd of between 8,000 and 10,000 will be there. Didn't think there would be anything like that after our last game but with so much at stake and the urging by our chairman and those doing punditry plus the fact that it's against Kilkenny got the pulse racing for what hopefully will have a happy ending.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 453 - 26/05/2023 15:32:22    2481768

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Replying To Viking66:  "I thought Higgins showed improvement over the year. Banville not so sure. Clarke didn't look dreadful but didn't shine either."
I'm in the open stand and was there last week, much prefer it on a nice summer's day, during the heatwave last August for club semi finals and finals it was actually too warm over there in the afternoon but lovely in the evening.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/05/2023 15:34:34    2481769

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Replying To Onfor15:  "With everyone fit and available, picking the best possible Wexford senior hurling team would include Damien Reck and Rory O'Connor as the only players aged 25. There is no one younger than this in our best 15. All of the rest of the players mentioned in 25 or below are bit part players at best."
It's very hard for a 20yo to be anything other than a bit-part player at their age at Senior Intercounty level. And regarding the 21yos, we have three stand-out talents, one of whom has been injured for most of the year and another two who are not on the panel for reasons that I doubt are related to their ability.

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 491 - 26/05/2023 15:59:01    2481779

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https://scoreline.ie/as-you-were-no-changes-for-kilkenny-team-to-face-wexford-in-last-of-leinster-senior-hurling-championship-group-games/

Strong Cats team named! Can't wait til Sunday!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 26/05/2023 16:04:56    2481781

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Wexford will rise to the occasion as they nearly always do for this contest. Their faithful followers and indeed the supporters on here deserve that.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 26/05/2023 16:40:44    2481791

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "There's also regular sessions of different types on offer in Wexford Park, usually on midweek evenings, where clubs go to them rather than they going to clubs. Suppose that way they hit several clubs in just one evening, instead of it taking several evenings to do the same if it was the other way round.

Not in any way claiming that the system is perfect, but just pointing out that there are lots of "train the trainer" type of sessions available to those who want to them."
Yeah, that was what I meant too.
No perfect system.
The bigger issue for me is how many children practice between sessions, you can tell those who do a mile away but many I think don't which is a problem. Mainly for the "GAA = babysitter" parent with no interest in the games.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 26/05/2023 16:48:31    2481793

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Replying To Canuck:  "Wexford will rise to the occasion as they nearly always do for this contest. Their faithful followers and indeed the supporters on here deserve that."
I hope you are right . Judging by the Kilkenny team names we will have to produce our best performance by far since the game in Nowlan park last year

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/05/2023 17:41:43    2481804

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Good luck to Wexford. Unfortunately I think it may be too little too late. But anyway good luck, and keep playing to the final whistle.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 26/05/2023 17:51:37    2481806

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Midweek there was only 500 stand tickets left. So it's reasonable to assume that the stand will be full to capacity and the open side should be close to full if not full. Looks like a crowd of between 8,000 and 10,000 will be there. Didn't think there would be anything like that after our last game but with so much at stake and the urging by our chairman and those doing punditry plus the fact that it's against Kilkenny got the pulse racing for what hopefully will have a happy ending."
No happy ending just because we beat kk we will still be gone from the championship since 21st May ..

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 340 - 26/05/2023 21:09:44    2481823

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