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Congrats to Westmeath, better team today. Offaly have a few nice players coming through, the subs today led a revival, but the harm was done in the opening half. Westmeath were stronger, and they took their scores very well, especially in the opening period. There is hope in Offaly, probably under new management. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1747 - 19/06/2022 21:53:56 2426212 Link 0 |
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Under the current rules the All-Ireland champions would be knocked out. The Tailteann Cup winners are the only team that can qualify outside of provincial finalists and next best 7 league ranked counties. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 19/06/2022 21:57:16 2426214 Link 0 |
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Hard luck Sligo. Played some great stuff and will wonder how they didn't score some of those goal chances. Could Murphy have started?
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 797 - 20/06/2022 07:57:33 2426224 Link 0 |
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Theorethically but for that to happen none of Kerry, Cork, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Derry, Dublin or Kildare would have to reach their provincial finals. lets get real here. All ireland Champions are (Most likely) going to be Dublin or Kerry cant see either of them not making their provincial finals. I'd also say Dublin will have a decent league run next year.
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 20/06/2022 08:47:00 2426238 Link 0 |
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this really needs explaining. what is different about next year than this year. This year when a county is knocked out they go in to the qualifiers if they are in the top two divisions. What happens next year ?
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 20/06/2022 08:49:47 2426239 Link 0 |
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I think it's the rule on provincial finalists and the Tailteann Cup winners qualifying. If we had a situation next year where the Tailteann Cup winner from 2022 and all provincial finalists come from outside Division 1 and 2, then they push into the main competition. It could conceivably mean that these 9 teams would push out the 2 Division 3 promoted sides, the 4 who remained in Division 2, the 2 relegated from Division 1, and potentially the losing Division 2 finalist. There is nothing in the rules protecting these teams. The rules only state that the guaranteed teams into it are the Tailteann Cup winner and the provincial finalists, then the next best based on League (if not already qualified). It will be 16 only next year, it won't go up like could have happened this season depending on provincial finals. This needs to be tidied up. Like it'll never happen like that, but it allows this as it is.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 20/06/2022 10:02:10 2426267 Link 0 |
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Yeah they will almost every year (well over 90%) but at some point it'll turn out that they don't. It's weird for the tier 2 champions get a spot guaranteed but not the top tier champions. Feels like an oversight rather than a conscious decision.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/06/2022 10:30:08 2426279 Link 6 |
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Would people say that this season has been a succes?. Could we see a case where we do just have the Championship as 2 tier and split from the league or provincials? That'd solve a lot of the messiness around qualifying. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/06/2022 10:33:24 2426283 Link 6 |
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Seems the feeling is the Provincials will die if they're separated from the AI. That was one of the reasons the Proposal B failed to get 60% last October. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1441 - 20/06/2022 11:01:01 2426298 Link 0 |
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I'd agree. Championship placing should depend on Championship. There should be promotion or relegation across the split based on your form. Something like promote the 2 Tailteann Cup finalists, and have a draw based on first round qualifier losers (should be 4 of them) and play 2 relegation playoff games. Losers of those games drop down a level. Allows for good movement yearly, and your Championship form decides where you go.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 20/06/2022 11:01:27 2426300 Link 0 |
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It's a carrot to incentives teams to take the Tailteann seriously. They don't need the same for the All Ireland. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 20/06/2022 11:04:57 2426303 Link 5 |
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I think the most important thing is that the players from the counties involved see it as a success and the I've only seen positive feedback from them . I think it's inevitable that the championship will eventually have at least two divisions and be separated from the provincials . As some one from a small population county (hate the weaker county name) the sooner it happens the better .
catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 20/06/2022 11:12:56 2426310 Link 0 |
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You can do it other ways, without linking the League to it. Make it based on championship and look how seriously they'll take the Tailteann, when they would have to do well in it to get out of it.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 20/06/2022 11:15:52 2426313 Link 0 |
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Why was it the ideal venue? And please, no romantic rhetoric. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1722 - 20/06/2022 11:15:57 2426314 Link 0 |
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I was running it down initially but I enjoyed those games yesterday and I'm looking forward to the final. Great crowds too, but I still think a smaller venue with a more packed stadium would have been better. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1722 - 20/06/2022 11:17:53 2426315 Link 0 |
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Great success and that's because Croke Park are promoting it properly and as a result there's great buy in from the counties involved. It will improve with a bit of tweaking but the foundation is good.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1665 - 20/06/2022 11:35:51 2426325 Link 0 |
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If this year's league results are applied to next year's format for example purposes, Louth would be in the Tailteann Cup 16. Cavan or Westmeath would be in the Sam Maguire 16. Both competitions will be guaranteed 16 teams. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 20/06/2022 11:41:32 2426327 Link 0 |
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Its a simple fix. just add in the provision that the sam maguire winners will qualify for next years All ireland. but id wager a lot of money against a situation ever occurring that it would need to be relied on.
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 20/06/2022 11:44:30 2426329 Link 0 |
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It's becoming very obvious that the games in the Tailteann Cup are a lot more entertaining than in the All Ireland series. If you wanted to showcase Gaelic Football to a stranger and sell it would you show them the Ulster Final or any of the 2 games yesterday. Granted the quality would not be as good but yesterdays games showed wonderful scores, skills, no blanket defence, no zoned systems. It was a shoot out between teams all anxious to play attractive football and win. eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1665 - 20/06/2022 11:47:11 2426331 Link 2 |
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Yeah I know but that was close to getting across the line and if people now see the value of a strong second tier maybe they can get it over the line. That proposal was additionally hampered by the playoff format with lower division teams getting places in the playoffs at the expense of teams in a higher division. I'd really love a season of 2 tiers of 16 teams with each tier being 2 groups of 8 and 3 up 3 down between tiers each year. I think it'd make for a lot better action. Championship games for all teams coming regularly across April, May and June. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 20/06/2022 12:14:22 2426341 Link 6 |